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post #241 of 1325
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Originally Posted by ratm View Post

stupid double post

You can delete a post in the edit page. Choose the radio button to delete the post, then click delete.
post #242 of 1325
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post

Did you ask them about the 13 db boost at 40 Hz and the placement recommendations?

No, we discussed billing, shipping, etc. On their homepage they list a toll-free phone number as well as a live chat feature-maybe give either one of those a shot.

or e-mail: tech@lavasubs.com
post #243 of 1325
just chatted with Eric online....he said he would respond....
post #244 of 1325
Excellent!!!
post #245 of 1325
If nothing else, this "controversy" is creating a lot of buzz about Lava subs. Can't be a bad thing for a new company.

I wouldn't mind replacing the weak 8" sub in my secondary HT, so I'm curious to see how this turns out.
post #246 of 1325
Ha! Ha! True!
post #247 of 1325
First of all I want to apologize. It was never my intention to dodge the question.

I saw the question a week back or so and asked a tech in passing for exact clarification and did not get the answer I was looking for. I did not want to post a response that I was not confident in. I never want to give a fluff response to anyone, especially here on AVS.

At that time I sent an email request to a lead tech to get a clear response so I could provide you with the exact meaning behind the specs. I did not do the necessary follow up with him and it honestly slipped my mind until today about 3 minutes ago when I jumped back on the forum to see a frenzy regarding the topic.

The lead tech I inquired with is out today and will be in tomorrow. I promise I will clarify the exact meaning of the specs first thing tomorrow and apologize for my oversight.
post #248 of 1325
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Originally Posted by ratm View Post

As an aside, will I be able to hear this WITHOUT a tone sweep dvd? I mean, what would I look for if I could?

Tone sweep CD would be the best way to hear the difference
You can download the mp3's to make your own test tone disc from here
http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm Buy yourself your own SPL or dB meter and tyhey have a blank chart you can

Run a test from 30hz-50hz. A "13dB boost at 40hz" you'll if its as bad as people are theorizing you will notice major increase at 40hz in volume at 40hz.
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EDIT: Removed part of post as it no longer furthered the discussion
post #249 of 1325
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Originally Posted by lavasubs View Post

First of all I want to apologize. It was never my intention to dodge the question.

I saw the question a week back or so and asked a tech in passing for exact clarification and did not get the answer I was looking for. I did not want to post a response that I was not confident in. I never want to give a fluff response to anyone, especially here on AVS.

At that time I sent an email request to a lead tech to get a clear response so I could provide you with the exact meaning behind the specs. I did not do the necessary follow up with him and it honestly slipped my mind until today about 3 minutes ago when I jumped back on the forum to see a frenzy regarding the topic.

The lead tech I inquired with is out today and will be in tomorrow. I promise I will clarify the exact meaning of the specs first thing tomorrow and apologize for my oversight.


You are a bit late in your post and a lot of these posts (mine included) could have been avoided. Anyway, I am looking forward to the information.
post #250 of 1325
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

You are a bit late in your post and a lot of these posts (mine included) could have been avoided. Anyway, I am looking forward to the information.

Could it be that he just doesn't frequent AVS as much as some?
post #251 of 1325
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Originally Posted by ratm View Post

Could it be that he just doesn't frequent AVS as much as some?

You know, the questions were asked last week, he has participated in the thread since they were asked.

If you read Eric's response, he said he saw the initial question, asked and tech, but didn't follow-up.
post #252 of 1325
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

You are a bit late in your post and a lot of these posts (mine included) could have been avoided. Anyway, I am looking forward to the information.

LOL - What makes him a "bit late". Eric seems to have a business to run, and shockingly, may not spend every day visiting AVS. If you were so concerned about the answer, YOU could have taken the initiative to call Lava.

Let's see - we have a vendor who has responded to questions, decided not to post some answers until he has the correct information, and is on AVS every couple of days. Even with that, as single unanswered question has led to conspiracy theories and tacit comparisons to a certain other recently defunct AV company. Given that, I can certainly understand Eric's desire to put out specific factual information, as I can only imagine the blowback in some circles here if he doesn't respond with accurate technical info - info that will surely be scrutinized by the forum "info police".

I think this community would be better served by encouraging vendors to participate, something not likely to occur if every perceived information gap is turned into a major issue. At least wait until the facts are available until the worst is assumed.
post #253 of 1325
Sorry bfreedma. You're being too reasonable. That's not the way around here.
post #254 of 1325
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

LOL - What makes him a "bit late". Eric seems to have a business to run, and shockingly, may not spend every day visiting AVS. If you were so concerned about the answer, YOU could have taken the initiative to call Lava.

Let's see - we have a vendor who has responded to questions, decided not to post some answers until he has the correct information, and is on AVS every couple of days. Even with that, as single unanswered question has led to conspiracy theories and tacit comparisons to a certain other recently defunct AV company. Given that, I can certainly understand Eric's desire to put out specific factual information, as I can only imagine the blowback in some circles here if he doesn't respond with accurate technical info - info that will surely be scrutinized by the forum "info police".

I think this community would be better served by encouraging vendors to participate, something not likely to occur if every perceived information gap is turned into a major issue. At least wait until the facts are available until the worst is assumed.

That goes both ways. The question was ask a handful of times. Nothing derogatory was mentioned, and posters were bickering because there wasn't an answer. Eric chose to answer, as far as I can tell, every other question.

Isn't asking questions encouraging participation?

If I am sitting in a room during a question and answer session with 9 other people, with all those other people getting their questions answered, while I have asked my question more than once, and it doesn't get answered, what am I left to think/do?

If the answer is "call the company", then why must I take that extra step while others haven't? Would a sense of frustration be justified?

Anyways, Eric has responded, and we await his answers to the boost and placement questions.
post #255 of 1325
You guys should head over to the Denon AVR-4311/AVR-A100 thread in the AMP section of this fourm. This thread has nothing on it!
post #256 of 1325
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

Sorry bfreedma. You're being too reasonable. That's not the way around here.

Sorry - don't mean to ruin all the fun

Let me pound down another couple coffees and build up some good adrenaline. I'll try again to post something more unreasonable then...
post #257 of 1325
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

placement questions.

Um its called the subwoofer crawl! get on your knees and start crawling! Ideal placement varies from room to room
http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/sp...ofer-placement
post #258 of 1325
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Originally Posted by crazyrob425 View Post

Um its called the subwoofer crawl! get on your knees and start crawling! Ideal placement varies from room to room
http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/sp...ofer-placement

No. You missed the part about Lavasubs specific recommendations.
post #259 of 1325
Curtis,

Your response is certainly reasonable, and I suspect Eric will let us know next time he is waiting for an answer from his tech team. My issue is that his failure to respond was met with some rather over the top assumptions - assumptions that certain posters made into major issues. If they thought those issues were that significant, a call to Lava would have been an avenue to resolution.

I do think, as stated in my earlier post, that the question at hand was the only detailed technology specific one asked to date, so can understand why it may have taken longer to answer, particularly given the scrutiny it will likely receive. Again, Eric would have done himself a service by posting that he was waiting for an accurate answer, but the lack of answer shouldn't be cause to immediately assume the worst.

Then again, as mojomike explained, that isn't necessarily the way it works here....

BTW, I don't own Lava subs or have any vested interest in the company (want to get that out before someone assumes otherwise)
post #260 of 1325
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Then again, as mojomike explained, that isn't necessarily the way it works here....

Agreed....the Net can not be considered a reasonable place.
post #261 of 1325
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

lol - what makes him a "bit late". Eric seems to have a business to run, and shockingly, may not spend every day visiting avs. If you were so concerned about the answer, you could have taken the initiative to call lava.

Let's see - we have a vendor who has responded to questions, decided not to post some answers until he has the correct information, and is on avs every couple of days. Even with that, as single unanswered question has led to conspiracy theories and tacit comparisons to a certain other recently defunct av company. Given that, i can certainly understand eric's desire to put out specific factual information, as i can only imagine the blowback in some circles here if he doesn't respond with accurate technical info - info that will surely be scrutinized by the forum "info police".

I think this community would be better served by encouraging vendors to participate, something not likely to occur if every perceived information gap is turned into a major issue. At least wait until the facts are available until the worst is assumed.

+1
post #262 of 1325
The point is that when the question was first asked (Eric was posting in this thread at the time), I have no doubt that he read that post. Afterwards, he answered other questions that were asked, but neglected to answer or comment on the 40Hz boost one though. If he indeed referred this question to the proper authority in the company, then he could have said so at that time. For what ever reason, he did not and was a bit tardy on the response and I called him out for this.
I received a PM from a credible member who shared his thoughts on why Lava may be doing this. But, yet, I eagerly (and patiently) wait Lava's response.
post #263 of 1325
I'll type out what everyone is thinking...

We have another Mark Schifter on our hands.

Where's Chu Gai when you need him?
post #264 of 1325
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Originally Posted by counsil View Post

I'll type out what everyone is thinking...

We have another Mark Schifter on our hands.

Where's Chu Gai when you need him?

I was making a lava cake.

post #265 of 1325
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

I was making a lava cake.


OMG! Me wants THAT!
post #266 of 1325
Ha! Ha! Ha!

You are so kind to serve it on a plate!!!!

The party begins!!!!
post #267 of 1325
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

I was making a lava cake.

Mmmmmmm. . . lava cake!


post #268 of 1325
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

I was making a lava cake.


Now that's priceless! And good timing on your part.
post #269 of 1325
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

The point is that when the question was first asked (Eric was posting in this thread at the time), I have no doubt that he read that post. Afterwards, he answered other questions that were asked, but neglected to answer or comment on the 40Hz boost one though. If he indeed referred this question to the proper authority in the company, then he could have said so at that time. For what ever reason, he did not and was a bit tardy on the response and I called him out for this.
I received a PM from a credible member who shared his thoughts on why Lava may be doing this. But, yet, I eagerly (and patiently) wait Lava's response.

A bit tardy on the response? Do you have an established SLA with Lava?

Are you waiting on the information to make the determination if you will buy one of the Lava products, or just looking to debate the design?
post #270 of 1325
I gots me two monsters in me. I'm ready for some Internet thuggin.

Bring tha pain!!!!

But first Im headed to chilis for some molten lava cake...
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