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Turning re-EQ off may help the center channel
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Have spent 4 hours with my first Integra.
Have had Onkyo 5507 and Denon AVR-A100 (last one is buggy)

This is what I need ..

Everything works fine and sounds great
Use Emotiva Xpa-2 and UPA-7
Sony HW20 Projector and Monitor Audio RX + 2 SVS Subs

Swedmaveric
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

1. So if a DVD player/blu ray can output RGB or 4:4:4 what is the actual impact on the user in terms of video quality?

Hi Joel,

According to Mark Vignola (who is a writer with Secrets of Home Theater & High Fidelity):

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Originally Posted by vigga View Post

I think it is probably fair to say that the error here isn't obvious in normal viewing,[...]

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2.What devices do not output 4:4:4 or RGB but only can output 4:2:2, e.g. what is the output of a Direct TV HR20?

Joel

You should be able to tell from an Integra display of information. Give it a try.

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Originally Posted by vigga View Post

The Integra WILL tell you what you are getting in terms of color space - at least for HDMI. Under the "Home" menu you select info as I recall and it'll tell you whether you are getting RGB, YCbCr (4:4:4) or YCbCr (4:2:2).

Larry
post #1594 of 3823
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post


Hi Joel,

According to Mark Vignola (who is a writer with Secrets of Home Theater & High Fidelity):

You should be able to tell from an Integra display of information. Give it a try.

Larry

I just tried using home and info. I see the resolution , ycbcr 24 bit to 30 bit etc but not the numbers 4;4:4 or 4:2:2 etc. So how can this color space info be seen?
post #1595 of 3823
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

1. So if a DVD player/blu ray can output RGB or 4:4:4 what is the actual impact on the user in terms of video quality?

2.What devices do not output 4:4:4 or RGB but only can output 4:2:2, e.g. what is the output of a Direct TV HR20?

Joel

Based on Vigga's information I checked my cablevision cable box last night (using the Home Info menu) and the video input showed RGB 24 bits but the output was RGB 30 bits. Not sure why there is a bit differential though given that I'm running the 80.2 in Through mode.
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Originally Posted by Guinness77 View Post

Just wondering if anybody is scaling a cable signal with the 80.2

I have Comcast, and have the box set to output native channel format. Most of the channels are 1080i, and some are 720p. I have the input on the 80.2 set to video "custom" with the output resolution of 1080p/24. I have "film" mode selected.

When viewing 780p channels, I hit "home", go to "video", "info" to view the source and output. The source indicates its 720P, and the output is 720P (it changes from 24 to 30 bit though). This is the same for 1080i sources, etc.. No matter what output resolution I have the 80.2 set on, it always displays the same input/output except for the 24 to 30 bit deal.

Any idea on what settings I have wrong?

**I have not tried scaling any blu-rays yet, I have that input on pass through).**
Thanks

I figured out the the monitor setting overides the source setting, unless you have monitor on source.

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Originally Posted by KB1 View Post

Based on Vigga's information I checked my cablevision cable box last night (using the Home Info menu) and the video input showed RGB 24 bits but the output was RGB 30 bits. Not sure why there is a bit differential though given that I'm running the 80.2 in Through mode.

KB1,
In "through" mode, mine also changes YCbCr 24bit to 30 bits.
post #1597 of 3823
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Originally Posted by Guinness77 View Post

I figured out the the monitor setting overides the source setting, unless you have monitor on source.



KB1,
In "through" mode, mine also changes YCbCr 24bit to 30 bits.

Guiness77 and anyone else who wants to comment,

Even though I have the Monitor Out set to through, I did not change anything in the Picture Mode settings thinking that the Through Mode would override everything there so the sub-menu Picture Adjust default setting is still set to Custom (which can also be changed to Through with Default values are adapted for all settings). Have most people changed that to Through as well? And any idea what Default values are adapted for all settings means? I'm just wondering if the 24 to 30 bit deal is related and what the optimal setting is for no video conversion by the 80.2. Thx.
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Originally Posted by KB1 View Post

Guiness77 and anyone else who wants to comment,

Even though I have the Monitor Out set to through, I did not change anything in the Picture Mode settings thinking that the Through Mode would override everything there so the sub-menu Picture Adjust default setting is still set to Custom (which can also be changed to Through with Default values are adapted for all settings). Have most people changed that to Through as well? And any idea what Default values are adapted for all settings means? I'm just wondering if the 24 to 30 bit deal is related and what the optimal setting is for no video conversion by the 80.2. Thx.

Mine does the 24bit to 30 bit when monitor is set to "source", and the source input set to "through".
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Originally Posted by Guinness77 View Post

Mine does the 24bit to 30 bit when monitor is set to "source", and the source input set to "through".

Thx
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If I do not use Audyssey or Dyn EQ with my Sonos ant then change input to Movie .. Where I used audyssey last time .. audyssey stay off..

Does Integra not use input memory ?
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I just got my 80.2 and was wondering if I can connect the 80.2 using my wireless router. The router network is password protected. Is this possible? What else is needed to connect the 80.2 via wireless?

One other thing, I may be able to figure this out but I connectd a DVD player using the multi channel connection and i assigned this to the Game input but I am not getting any sound. The DVD player was working fine with my previous processor and this worked when demoed the 80.2 back in December.
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Originally Posted by rtyndall View Post

I just got my 80.2 and was wondering if I can connect the 80.2 using my wireless router. The router network is password protected. Is this possible? What else is needed to connect the 80.2 via wireless?

I use a wireless access point. The 80.2 does not have wi-fi capabilities.
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Originally Posted by vigga View Post

I use a wireless access point. The 80.2 does not have wi-fi capabilities.

Can the access point be configured to work on my password protected network?

What is needed to stream audio and possible video over the network, a G or a N router?

My current wireless router is a G router.

thx
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Originally Posted by rtyndall View Post

Can the access point be configured to work on my password protected network?

What is needed to stream audio and possible video over the network, a G or a N router?

My current wireless router is a G router.

thx

Secured network - yes.

No experience with video. I can stream 24 bit / 96KHz FLAC over my G network. YMMV. You may get better responses on this topic in the Digital Video and Audio Devices section of the forum:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=8
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=39
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I would like to hear an 80.2 before I commit to a purchase, yet none of the local dealers have one to audition.

Are there any 80.2 owners in the Chicago Northwest suburbs or Southwest Milwaukee/Lake Geneva areas that would be willing to let me have a listen to theirs?

Please PM me if you are able to.
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Originally Posted by rtyndall View Post

I just got my 80.2 and was wondering if I can connect the 80.2 using my wireless router. The router network is password protected. Is this possible? What else is needed to connect the 80.2 via wireless?

One other thing, I may be able to figure this out but I connectd a DVD player using the multi channel connection and i assigned this to the Game input but I am not getting any sound. The DVD player was working fine with my previous processor and this worked when demoed the 80.2 back in December.

I use a buffalo Ethernet converter Netgear has one as well I think.

I upgraded my router to "n" but g will do fine for audio. I have no experience with network video directly to the AVR. I do feed espn 3 from my tv room computer to the AVR with no problems

The tv room computer is also using the buffalo Ethernet converter from my netgear wndr 3700. I have a fios broadband connection to the router
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Well after 4 days of owning the Integra I can offer some preliminary results. Id like to thank bslep for suggesting a local dealer who was able to get a unit in my hands in a week. To preface this mini review I have never owned a "good" reciever before. Actually, this is the first time I have owned a preamp before. So take everything I say with a grain of salt. To start I recently built a speaker system consiting of Danley products, 2dts-10 subs, sh-100 center, 2 sm-60, and 2 sh-micros. All of the subs and speakers are running off of a stack of Behringer ep4000s using Monoprice XLR connections. My current BD player is a trusty 80 gig PS3.

Pioneer vs Integra
My previous reciever was a Pioneer 1018 I bought a few years back. I bought this reciever mostly due to the ability to act as a preamp to build a future system with. In terms of sound quality for $400ish bucks its a great bargain. The Integra is better in terms of SQ in every way but suprisingly the pioneer does an admirable job for the price. In terms of Video pq the syncing to direct tv is noticeably slower on the Integra (which I do not mind I'm not a tv person). The transcoding via component seems a lot better on the Integra. I used to run my wii directly into my Pioneer 5010fd due to a substantial drop in PQ if I used the Pioneer. Now I am happy to say I can run everything into the Integra with an improvement in PQ! Via PS3 and Direct tv I do not notice any difference running everything via Through in the video options. I admit since viewing cable/satellite is not a major hobby of mine I only played around for a few moments comparing 1980p vs Through.

SQ differences
To start even on my old reciever the SQ that the Danleys bring to the table is crushing to say the least. The speakers are wonderfully transparent fast and dynamic. The sound stage is not vastly superior on the Integra though there is a noticeable improvement. The clarity is a bit better, fine details come through cleaner and are more noticeable. The biggest suprise was the Dynamics. Overall everything punches much harder. The base is much much improved. With the Pioneer the DTS-10s shook the foundation, vibrated windows and physically slapped you around. With the Integra I can feel much more. For example; on Avatar, at the start of the movie the drop ship scene is much more visceral. I can literally feel the DTS-10s spewing pressurized air around, it literally feels likes there is a turbine in front of me. The floor joists twist and turn and vibrate much more intensly now. Its not just me in the honeymoon phase, my roomate and another friend stated the exact same thing. Another scene that added a huge improvement is when the characters are flying in the helicopter for their first trip into the jungle. Near the end of the scene when the pilot drops down near a waterfall it literally feels like you are riding in a chopper. Virtual reality be damned the floor was shaking and buckling in synch with the sounds of the cabin on the screen, it was the craziest experience I have had in a movie.

2 channel
I like to listen to a good bit of music. I have just started getting into serious 2 channel listening. I mostly used a good pair of headphones and my pc up until a year or so ago. Now that I have a capable system I have been listening using my speakers more and more. My next purchase will be a squeeze box touch and a vortexbox appliace to act as NAS. I have heard good things about the Integra in the 2 channel department so I am looking forward to switching from my ps3 as a transport to a more qualified component.

Audyssey vs MCACC
I have to admit other than the noticeable increase in LFE quality the rest of Audyssey left me feeling meh. I do not feel it is doing anything wrong but outside of the lfe department I do not notice much else different from MCACC. Granted I probably need more time to experiemnt with Audyssey. I do have measuring equipment I bought last month but I have not had time to experiemnt and learn how to use REW just yet. I will reserve my final judgement on Audyssey once I am able to properly run some measurements and play around with my minidsp.

Overall I am glad I bought the unit. The sq difference there and can only improve as I learn how to utilize the system. I am enjoying the added benefit of using balanced connections, the system is dead silent now. The added HDMI ports is really nice, I no longer have an excuse to not own an Xbox360 now. All in all I am a happy camper.

Thanks for the advice jmshnur but I was able to fix the center issues, I re ran audyssey and reset my trim levels and now the center channel has come to life.

Forin
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Originally Posted by rtyndall
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I just got my 80.2 and was wondering if I can connect the 80.2 using my wireless router. The router network is password protected. Is this possible? What else is needed to connect the 80.2 via wireless?

A Bridge type device will connect your "wired" device (the 80.2) to your wireless network. Wireless G is sufficient to stream audio. Some very basic network know how will help alot! I took an old Linksys G router and loaded DDWRT firmware onto and turned it into a bridge, works like a charm for $20 and about 1.5 hours work.
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I have just upgraded from my DHC-9.9 to the 80.2 . It is hard to believe the improvements with the new chip sets. Sounds amazing. I am running it in 9.2 With B@W speakers throughout. I went with the high instead of wide. I had it Tweaked out by a high end audio store. They did a wonderful job on it. Sound Picture just wow. I read a Thread in the forum on this preamp comparing it to a pioneer. What The two do not compare the integra if set up properly Is just amazing for the money. If you are not seeing any Big difference then you did something wrong. Well I have had mine for a total of 4 days and absolutely love it. It makes my 3D 58 Panasonic come to life like it should. Hey I even saw a difference adding a couple hundred dollar power cord to the integra. Worth the money. Well hope this helps I love mine and Would do it all over again. It may be your amps are not powerful enough to see the difference. I am running two adcom for the theatre and a niles 12 channel for outside speakers in back , front , and garage.

I hope if you buy it you enjoy yours as mush as I have. Oh you have to love the network capablities. online radio network to desktop and so on. A great buy.
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The bridge will work good in n not below you may see breaks in sound you need the speed of n
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Originally Posted by JDunemann View Post

I have just upgraded from my DHC-9.9 to the 80.2 . It is hard to believe the improvements with the new chip sets. Sounds amazing. I am running it in 9.2 With B@W speakers throughout. I went with the high instead of wide. I had it Tweaked out by a high end audio store. They did a wonderful job on it. Sound Picture just wow. I read a Thread in the forum on this preamp comparing it to a pioneer. What The two do not compare the integra if set up properly Is just amazing for the money. If you are not seeing any Big difference then you did something wrong. Well I have had mine for a total of 4 days and absolutely love it. It makes my 3D 58 Panasonic come to life like it should. Hey I even saw a difference adding a couple hundred dollar power cord to the integra. Worth the money. Well hope this helps I love mine and Would do it all over again. It may be your amps are not powerful enough to see the difference. I am running two adcom for the theatre and a niles 12 channel for outside speakers in back , front , and garage.

I hope if you buy it you enjoy yours as mush as I have. Oh you have to love the network capablities. online radio network to desktop and so on. A great buy.

Hi,

Thanks for your observations.

Did your installer run an Audyssey calibration on the DHC-80.2? Were you using Audyssey when you had your DHC-9.9?

Larry
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I was playing with my speaker set up this evening switching my towers back and forth from full range to crossed over and noticed that when the subwoofer configuration was set to "no", the relay clicks in the 80.2 were drastically reduced to nothing.

In order to better understand the issue, I turned the subwoofer configuration back to 1 ch and 2 ch, and sure enough the relay clicks were back in full force. In order to rule out my wiring and sub amps as the culprit, I disconnected them from the 80.2 and received the same results. I even disconnected everything from the 80.2 except for a single HDMI cable from my DVR, and the relay clicks were still occurring when pausing, rewinding, or forwarding the program. A few pages back I was thinking DirecTV was the main culprit of the relay clicks, however I've since changed providers to Dish Network and the clicks weren't reduced. With this new discovery, it looks like the relay clicks can be narrowed down to how the Integra utilizes the two subwoofer channels regardless of whether or not external components are connected. If the subwoofer channels are turned on, the clicks are abundantly present. If the subwoofer channel is set to "no", the clicks are drastically reduced.

Can anyone else determine if their 80.2 is acting in the same manner regarding the subwoofer configuration?
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Perhaps the relay for the sub channel is beefier than the others?
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I have a JVC DLA-RS40 projector, which replaced my older DLA-RS15. I also have a DirecTV DVR hooked to the system. I have to hook the HDMI from the DirecTV box directly to my new JVC RS40 in order for 720p/1080i to work, this is normal HD programming NOT 3D.

With the older RS15 things worked just fine through the Integra, but now I have to connect the DirecTV box directly to the new RS40, if I go through the 80.2 I get a blue screen when I go to 720p or 1080i.

All works fine when the Projector and DirecTV DVR are hooked directly to one another.

Is this a known issue, will there be a firmware fix to address this soon?

I have the 80.2 set to THROUGH for the resolution, and the option for immediate display (on screen display) is off.

-Roger Uzun
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I am sure you have checked the normal stuff. Changed cable, used a different input on the integra, made sure your dtv firmware is uptodate etc

Sounds like an hdmi issue. I would contact both manufacturers
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I switched cables, contacted DirecTV and JVC, switched inputs. Nothing made any difference. I think if I change the resolution from THROUGH to AUTO it will work, but I'd rather just hook it straight to the projector than do that.

All the other devices work fine, the Blu-Ray players, HD-DVD Player, D-VHS etc. Only the DirecTV box has an issue, and it worked fine with the old RS15.

I think it's an Integra issue and they need to get it fixed with another firmware update.
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Did you contact integra?
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How do edit the preset list. The one that has the pandora radio presets? I want to delete some and rearrange the list Oremote makes it easy choose a preset but I have no idea how edit the list.

Joel
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How do edit the preset list. The one that has the pandora radio presets? I want to delete some and rearrange the list Oremote makes it easy choose a preset but I have no idea how edit the list.

I am using the DHC 40.2 but I am sure the steps are quite similar. I was able to make those changes from a computer on the same network. Assuming you have your Integra joined to your network:
Network - Highlight and dbl click the icon for your device and the web interface should appear. Make your changes under the tab entitled "Preset Internet Radio" Note the address in your browser and use that to link directly from your desktop:
hilite address - copy
go to desktop - right click - new - shortcut - paste the link into the item location box - name it DHC interface or something like that. Note that these changes will probably require a hard reset of your device, ie shut down and unplug for 1 minute and restart. Your changes should be reflected when you navigate to the interface on your TV screen.
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Thanks. It was not transparent
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