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post #1831 of 4365
2/28/12 at 8:38am
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In the preview of next week's episode it was made abundantly clear that Shane wants to be "King of the Hill."

Ah, I didn't see that. My DVR cuts off about 90% of the next week's preview and I've not gotten around to fixing it.
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post #1832 of 4365
2/28/12 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Kinda changes the meaning of "ending it all", doesn't it?

Don't see the need for the suicide girl plotline either. They've already done the "there is no hope' with Lori, Andrea, Herschel, and probably others I'm forgetting. We get it already...course if she goes through with it and comes back it might get interesting...

See, if that happened, I'd be all over the plot.

1) It would open up a whole new world of desperation for everyone when they realize they're doomed even if they don't get bitten.

2) Andrea would be in a world of hate for bailing and letting her go through with it. That would leave it open for her to get booted, seek out some other group and come back for revenge.

Instead, we get more angry looks between the people that already didn't get along mixed with hugs all around for those that were already buddies.
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post #1833 of 4365
2/28/12 at 11:51am
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1) It would open up a whole new world of desperation for everyone when they realize they're doomed even if they don't get bitten.

Yes, absolutely.
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Instead, we get more angry looks between the people that already didn't get along mixed with hugs all around for those that were already buddies.

This is just dumb.
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post #1834 of 4365
2/28/12 at 9:50pm
Anyone know the song they played at the end of the episode ?
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post #1835 of 4365
2/28/12 at 10:45pm
Wye Oak - Civilian
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post #1836 of 4365
2/29/12 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Don't see the need for the suicide girl plotline either. They've already done the "there is no hope' with Lori, Andrea, Herschel, and probably others I'm forgetting. We get it already...course if she goes through with it and comes back it might get interesting...

It seemed like there was a huge missed opportunity there. She succeeds in her suicide plot in the bathroom and turns, and then as soon as Lori breaks down the door she's lunging back at them. Could've been one of the most intense scenes in the series. Maggie and Lori would've been completely off guard. Someone could've died.

Since the transformation process after a bite/scratch is painfully slow and obvious, this is about the only way we'll ever see drama out of a zombie transformation in the life of the series again.
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post #1837 of 4365
2/29/12 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

Since the transformation process after a bite/scratch is painfully slow and obvious, this is about the only way we'll ever see drama out of a zombie transformation in the life of the series again.

Unless you're little lost Sophia...then it happens pretty much as soon as your're out of sight of the camera.
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post #1838 of 4365
2/29/12 at 10:40am
I am really into these talking dead shows they air at midnight. Pretty cool info in them, their fresh buzz is always hilarous and the last line of the fresh kills is always pretty funny.

That painting of Sophia coming out of the barn is the creepiest thing ever. It looks so real I can't believe its a flat picture. I could of sworn it even looked like someone was moving behing there, so much so I even said to my wife they are going to surprise their guests with her popping out of there or something. So creepy yet so cool.
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post #1839 of 4365
2/29/12 at 11:54am
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I am really into these talking dead shows they air at midnight. Pretty cool info in them, their fresh buzz is always hilarous and the last line of the fresh kills is always pretty funny.

That painting of Sophia coming out of the barn is the creepiest thing ever. It looks so real I can't believe its a flat picture. I could of sworn it even looked like someone was moving behing there, so much so I even said to my wife they are going to surprise their guests with her popping out of there or something. So creepy yet so cool.

Great idea - they should do a kill on the talking dead.
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post #1840 of 4365
2/29/12 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by David F View Post

I'm wondering if the CDC guy told him the virus is mutating in some way.

I'm hoping that whatever the CDC guy said will be revealed by this seasons end ...
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post #1841 of 4365
2/29/12 at 12:45pm
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I'm hoping that whatever the CDC guy said will be revealed by this seasons end ...

Glen Mazzara said on Twitter it will be
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post #1842 of 4365
2/29/12 at 4:20pm
Maybe someone can clarify for me in regards to the CDC guys secret. I see some of you mentioning a theory of everyone already being infected. Is this something from the graphic novel? I had always assumed Rick was told that Lori was pregnant with Shane's baby. That would seem to make sense if they are going to reveal what he was told this season and the unavoidable confrontation between Rick and Shane.
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post #1843 of 4365
2/29/12 at 5:02pm
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Maybe someone can clarify for me in regards to the CDC guys secret. I see some of you mentioning a theory of everyone already being infected. Is this something from the graphic novel? I had always assumed Rick was told that Lori was pregnant with Shane's baby. That would seem to make sense if they are going to reveal what he was told this season and the unavoidable confrontation between Rick and Shane.

for what its worth there was no CDC or Secret in the comics...and if the doc told rick that his wife was pregnant it would have led to a different convo they had at the end of the episode "Secrets"..and im pretty sure it would have been broughten up to shane during their talk last week...

i still think the doc seems to think everyone will come back or to just make sure by shooting them in the head....would explain ricks overkill on the fat guy in the bar...I dont know why the 2 non bitten guards were still dead tho and not zombies...that is a point to disprove my theory
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post #1844 of 4365
2/29/12 at 5:04pm
also if they were just scratched then how did they die in the first place?
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post #1845 of 4365
2/29/12 at 5:52pm
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for what its worth there was no CDC or Secret in the comics...and if the doc told rick that his wife was pregnant it would have led to a different convo they had at the end of the episode "Secrets"..and im pretty sure it would have been broughten up to shane during their talk last week...

i still think the doc seems to think everyone will come back or to just make sure by shooting them in the head....would explain ricks overkill on the fat guy in the bar...I dont know why the 2 non bitten guards were still dead tho and not zombies...that is a point to disprove my theory

Was "secrets" the episode where the pregnancy was revealed? If so I think Rick is just holding that card yet because he doesn't want Lori to know its Shane's. It would explain the utter lack of surprise on Rick's part when Lori finally confessed.
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post #1846 of 4365
2/29/12 at 5:53pm
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I dont know why the 2 non bitten guards were still dead tho and not zombies...that is a point to disprove my theory

Could've gone the suicide route. Carbon monoxide in their squad car.

Suicide seems to be a prominent thing on this show.
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post #1847 of 4365
2/29/12 at 6:07pm
What's the big deal if the doc told Rick that everyone who dies comes back. Is that really a surprise to anyone? Also, if you die from being strangled or whatever, how long would it take to turn? Surely longer than a bite or a scratch even...
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post #1848 of 4365
2/29/12 at 6:46pm
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What's the big deal if the doc told Rick that everyone who dies comes back. Is that really a surprise to anyone? Also, if you die from being strangled or whatever, how long would it take to turn? Surely longer than a bite or a scratch even...

Its not a big deal, I'd just seen that theory a few different places and didn't know if it came from the graphic novel or not. I know quite a few guys here have read them so I asked.
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post #1849 of 4365
2/29/12 at 7:00pm
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Its not a big deal, I'd just seen that theory a few different places and didn't know if it came from the graphic novel or not. I know quite a few guys here have read them so I asked.

I wasn't directing it at you, I've seen a lot of people speculating about that and just didn't get why it would be such a revelation, that's all. You know, what would they care if they came back after dying of natural causes, they'd still be dead!
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post #1850 of 4365
2/29/12 at 7:08pm
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Was "secrets" the episode where the pregnancy was revealed? If so I think Rick is just holding that card yet because he doesn't want Lori to know its Shane's. It would explain the utter lack of surprise on Rick's part when Lori finally confessed.

totally agree. With both Lori and Shane not 100% positive whose baby it is, why would Rick spill the beans? I'm not saying it is the secret, but it hasn't been disproven that it isn't yet. And if it is the secret, it would explain why Rick seems so conflicted about what to do about Shane. At heart Rick has been shown to want to do the right thing. No matter how crazy dangerous he thinks Shane is, or how angry he is about his sleeping with Lori, Rick would still hesitate getting rid of the father of the baby his wife is carrying, I think.
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post #1851 of 4365
2/29/12 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

totally agree. With both Lori and Shane not 100% positive whose baby it is, why would Rick spill the beans? I'm not saying it is the secret, but it hasn't been disproven that it isn't yet. And if it is the secret, it would explain why Rick seems so conflicted about what to do about Shane. At heart Rick has been shown to want to do the right thing. No matter how crazy dangerous he thinks Shane is, or how angry he is about his sleeping with Lori, Rick would still hesitate getting rid of the father of the baby his wife is carrying, I think.

to open season 2 he was on the radio w morgan..i doubt he wanted to say... the doctor at the cdc told me my wife is having my best friends kid...he stopped after "the doctor told me...it doesnt matter anymore"..so it has to be something bigger...
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post #1852 of 4365
2/29/12 at 8:52pm
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What's the big deal if the doc told Rick that everyone who dies comes back. Is that really a surprise to anyone?

Not to me. I had assumed that from the beginning. But many people believe that is a revalation that is for some reason not obvious.

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Also, if you die from being strangled or whatever, how long would it take to turn? Surely longer than a bite or a scratch even...

The point is, you don't turn until you are dead. A bite or a scratch doesn't kill you. You get the fever and eventually you die. And then an indeterminate and unpredictable period of time ranging from a few minutes to a few hours passes and you awaken as a zombie.

But if you die because of something other than a zombie, then within minutes you could be up and walking around undead. Much more likely to surprise others in those circumstances than in a bite or scratch scenario. Once you've been bitten or scratched, everyone's going to be all eyes on you.
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post #1853 of 4365
2/29/12 at 10:37pm
Some people mix up their zombie lore.

The Walking Dead is heavily inspired by the original Night of the Living Dead. Kirkman has said before that he envisions his world as taking place at the same time/world as the Night of the Living Dead... and he is just telling the story of a different group of people.

Along that line... the original movie speculated, but did not define, the origins of the undead... they also showed clearly that whatever caused the dead to rise, happened to people already dead... people digging themselves up from graves in the cemetery for example... so there was not a virus killing people and bringing them back to life... but rather "something" causing the dead not to stay dead.

In other words, no matter how you die... you come back.

Now, being bitten by the undead leads to all manner of infections especially with no medical facilities to treat most bites... so a dog bite would be just as fatal potentially!

I haven't read the comic... but working within that framework of Romero inspiration... it seems only logical to me that the dead will return to life UNLESS their brain was destroyed.

So... if you died from a brain tumor, leukemia, or some other brain trauma... you probably wouldn't come back to life at all... anything else and you are back until someone pops you in the head.

A lot of people have been extrapolating theories from things on the show as if the characters on the show know what is going on... so whenever anyone on the show says something, like the CDC guy, some take that as fact as if it was conclusive... but the facts are that very little has been shown on the show... and most of the characters are speculating based upon personal experiences.

Nobody on the show thus far, for example, has seen a person die of non-zombie causes and return to life... so naturally the speculation by those characters will be that zombie bite = infection = return to life after death... but one episode and one person dying of non-zombie method and then coming back would be proof enough that they all were wrong.

I 100% understand the characters on the show not knowing... I don't understand people in the real world watching the show being certain of things the creator of the show himself has specifically said are "left to be discovered"...
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post #1854 of 4365
3/1/12 at 12:37am
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Some people mix up their zombie lore.

The Walking Dead is heavily inspired by the original Night of the Living Dead. Kirkman has said before that he envisions his world as taking place at the same time/world as the Night of the Living Dead... and he is just telling the story of a different group of people.

Along that line... the original movie speculated, but did not define, the origins of the undead... they also showed clearly that whatever caused the dead to rise, happened to people already dead... people digging themselves up from graves in the cemetery for example... so there was not a virus killing people and bringing them back to life... but rather "something" causing the dead not to stay dead.

In other words, no matter how you die... you come back.

Now, being bitten by the undead leads to all manner of infections especially with no medical facilities to treat most bites... so a dog bite would be just as fatal potentially!

I haven't read the comic... but working within that framework of Romero inspiration... it seems only logical to me that the dead will return to life UNLESS their brain was destroyed.

So... if you died from a brain tumor, leukemia, or some other brain trauma... you probably wouldn't come back to life at all... anything else and you are back until someone pops you in the head.

A lot of people have been extrapolating theories from things on the show as if the characters on the show know what is going on... so whenever anyone on the show says something, like the CDC guy, some take that as fact as if it was conclusive... but the facts are that very little has been shown on the show... and most of the characters are speculating based upon personal experiences.

Nobody on the show thus far, for example, has seen a person die of non-zombie causes and return to life... so naturally the speculation by those characters will be that zombie bite = infection = return to life after death... but one episode and one person dying of non-zombie method and then coming back would be proof enough that they all were wrong.

I 100% understand the characters on the show not knowing... I don't understand people in the real world watching the show being certain of things the creator of the show himself has specifically said are "left to be discovered"...

great post.
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post #1855 of 4365
3/1/12 at 4:05am
Well, it's around 100 issues in with the comic and I think I prefer the way the book has given no real info on how it started. It's better to just "enjoy the ride," I think.
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post #1856 of 4365
3/1/12 at 5:46am
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Well, it's around 100 issues in with the comic and I think I prefer the way the book has given no real info on how it started. It's better to just "enjoy the ride," I think.

I think the show is written to be pseudo realistic... like, remember when AIDs broke out around the world years ago? There was all kinds of speculation on how you might get it. There were some really crazy things like practically just being in the same room or touching a person with AIDs would give it to you. Of course that was just people naturally panicking when something super-serious breaks out and we are all scared... as studies were done and more was learned about the disease, the hysteria is almost completely gone now... though the disease itself is still potentially very dangerous, lots of people manage symptom free and people don't just freak out at the sight of an infected person.

So... imagine a zombie outbreak, especially one that ends up taking out the government, military, and medical institutions... and then realize there will be little time and resources and people to research and actually figure things out. People will shift into survival mode, and "better safe than sorry" and assumptions that seem to be valid will persist until smacked in the face with new reality.

That said... I agree with you that I personally think the show is better served not to go too far into the origins... and especially not try to have people looking for a cure. Kirkman is creating a show essentially about how an apocalypse brings out the best and worst in people... and the zombies are just the tool to tell the story. IF it starts being about the search for a cure, then it becomes a show I'm far less interested in watching.
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post #1857 of 4365
3/1/12 at 6:52am
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I think the show is written to be pseudo realistic... like, remember when AIDs broke out around the world years ago? There was all kinds of speculation on how you might get it. There were some really crazy things like practically just being in the same room or touching a person with AIDs would give it to you. Of course that was just people naturally panicking when something super-serious breaks out and we are all scared... as studies were done and more was learned about the disease, the hysteria is almost completely gone now... though the disease itself is still potentially very dangerous, lots of people manage symptom free and people don't just freak out at the sight of an infected person.

So... imagine a zombie outbreak, especially one that ends up taking out the government, military, and medical institutions... and then realize there will be little time and resources and people to research and actually figure things out. People will shift into survival mode, and "better safe than sorry" and assumptions that seem to be valid will persist until smacked in the face with new reality.

That said... I agree with you that I personally think the show is better served not to go too far into the origins... and especially not try to have people looking for a cure. Kirkman is creating a show essentially about how an apocalypse brings out the best and worst in people... and the zombies are just the tool to tell the story. IF it starts being about the search for a cure, then it becomes a show I'm far less interested in watching.

Agree completely.
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post #1858 of 4365
3/1/12 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

Some people mix up their zombie lore.

The Walking Dead is heavily inspired by the original Night of the Living Dead. Kirkman has said before that he envisions his world as taking place at the same time/world as the Night of the Living Dead... and he is just telling the story of a different group of people.

Along that line... the original movie speculated, but did not define, the origins of the undead... they also showed clearly that whatever caused the dead to rise, happened to people already dead... people digging themselves up from graves in the cemetery for example... so there was not a virus killing people and bringing them back to life... but rather "something" causing the dead not to stay dead.

In other words, no matter how you die... you come back.

Now, being bitten by the undead leads to all manner of infections especially with no medical facilities to treat most bites... so a dog bite would be just as fatal potentially!

I haven't read the comic... but working within that framework of Romero inspiration... it seems only logical to me that the dead will return to life UNLESS their brain was destroyed.

So... if you died from a brain tumor, leukemia, or some other brain trauma... you probably wouldn't come back to life at all... anything else and you are back until someone pops you in the head.

A lot of people have been extrapolating theories from things on the show as if the characters on the show know what is going on... so whenever anyone on the show says something, like the CDC guy, some take that as fact as if it was conclusive... but the facts are that very little has been shown on the show... and most of the characters are speculating based upon personal experiences.

Nobody on the show thus far, for example, has seen a person die of non-zombie causes and return to life... so naturally the speculation by those characters will be that zombie bite = infection = return to life after death... but one episode and one person dying of non-zombie method and then coming back would be proof enough that they all were wrong.

I 100% understand the characters on the show not knowing... I don't understand people in the real world watching the show being certain of things the creator of the show himself has specifically said are "left to be discovered"...

That is a nice theory but doesn't follow what they learned at the CDC. In the video they were shown of Jenner's wife, he explained how it is an infection that invades the brain like meningitis the result of the bite caused the brain to shut down before the other organs and then finally death before reanimation. The infection caused the death not the bite directly.
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post #1859 of 4365
3/1/12 at 9:19am
I've always found one of the major differences between good horror and bad is the bad spends too much time with explainations. Doubt and uncertainity are scary. Keeping the conscious mind distracted trying to figure out whats happening leaves the unconsious free to be terrorized by whats on the screen. Great horror always leaves a lot to the imagination.
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post #1860 of 4365
3/1/12 at 1:38pm
Here's a slightly different take, for what it's worth. I think at least some of the characters seem to believe that someone can die a 'natural' death and remain dead - as opposed to someone that is bitten most certainly becoming a walker. I'm thinking of the daughter on the farm as an example. Her desire to commit suicide seems rooted in this thought process, since she seems to have given little/no thought to addressing what happens with her after her suicide, thus her belief she would be dead for good.

On the other hand, I think some of the characters are less certain about a "biteless death"; I think I recall Rick and Lori having some sort of brief conversation about Carl should he not make it, but then cutting off the conversation as too horrible to consider (i.e. having to kill a walker Carl).

I wonder if this revisiting of the topic of suicide somehow relates to the uncertainly of the outcome of a 'natural' death and perhaps serves to highlight the uncertainty faced by the characters and us as an audience. I keep thinking about Rick pointing out that the security guards were not bitten, but only had scratch marks. Either the scratch marks took a while to ultimately turn the guards into walkers, or they were infected and only turned after some sort of suicide (there's that topic again) that wouldn't leave a mark.

I agree with the posters above, the lack of answers is better entertainment, as it leaves more to our imagination.
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