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post #1861 of 4376
3/1/12 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by akbled View Post

That is a nice theory but doesn't follow what they learned at the CDC. In the video they were shown of Jenner's wife, he explained how it is an infection that invades the brain like meningitis the result of the bite caused the brain to shut down before the other organs and then finally death before reanimation. The infection caused the death not the bite directly.

My point was that they really didn't learn anything at the CDC.

Consider the source.

The scientist at the CDC himself said he was not the best scientist, his wife was... then consider his doom & gloom state of mind... and lastly, all he did was study a person who was bitten and who died from that infection and then came back to life.

There was ZERO said about how the CDC did any studies on people who died of other means (non-zombie)... so that doctor at the CDC is really only concluding from the same lack of information as everyone else.

So... again, all they need to do is one episode where someone dies of a gunshot or hangs themselves... then comes back to life later... and all the CDC and previous theories will have proven wrong.

The characters on the show, as I said earlier, are working with very limited information and no "control group" to verify that there is a virus that kills you and makes you come back. It is all speculation on the part of characters who don't have time or resources or expertise to do any more studying than that.
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post #1862 of 4376
3/1/12 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

Some people mix up their zombie lore.

The Walking Dead is heavily inspired by the original Night of the Living Dead. Kirkman has said before that he envisions his world as taking place at the same time/world as the Night of the Living Dead... and he is just telling the story of a different group of people.

Along that line... the original movie speculated, but did not define, the origins of the undead... they also showed clearly that whatever caused the dead to rise, happened to people already dead... people digging themselves up from graves in the cemetery for example... so there was not a virus killing people and bringing them back to life... but rather "something" causing the dead not to stay dead.

In other words, no matter how you die... you come back.

Now, being bitten by the undead leads to all manner of infections especially with no medical facilities to treat most bites... so a dog bite would be just as fatal potentially!

I haven't read the comic... but working within that framework of Romero inspiration... it seems only logical to me that the dead will return to life UNLESS their brain was destroyed.

So... if you died from a brain tumor, leukemia, or some other brain trauma... you probably wouldn't come back to life at all... anything else and you are back until someone pops you in the head.

A lot of people have been extrapolating theories from things on the show as if the characters on the show know what is going on... so whenever anyone on the show says something, like the CDC guy, some take that as fact as if it was conclusive... but the facts are that very little has been shown on the show... and most of the characters are speculating based upon personal experiences.

Nobody on the show thus far, for example, has seen a person die of non-zombie causes and return to life... so naturally the speculation by those characters will be that zombie bite = infection = return to life after death... but one episode and one person dying of non-zombie method and then coming back would be proof enough that they all were wrong.

I 100% understand the characters on the show not knowing... I don't understand people in the real world watching the show being certain of things the creator of the show himself has specifically said are "left to be discovered"...

None of the zombie shows ever explain: (1) why there are so many zombies and (2) how and why they stay alive past a month. If zombies eat living people, zombie kills shouldn't turn into zombies. All the people who were dead long before the "infection" shouldn't turn into zombies or they will be too decomposed or embalmed so can't turn into zombies. I never get why there are so many zombies. I always thought the movie 28 Days Later at least tried by having the infection be a disease rather than re-animation, being transferred by any blood contact and that the infected would eventually die of dehydration/malnurishment.
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post #1863 of 4376
3/1/12 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

So... again, all they need to do is one episode where someone dies of a gunshot or hangs themselves... then comes back to life later... and all the CDC and previous theories will have proven wrong.

They did when they were looking for sophie they saw that zombie that hung himself & daryl didnt want to waste an arrow on him but the chick said to arrow him.
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post #1864 of 4376
3/1/12 at 4:25pm
i am not to worried about them explaining how the disease started..but I wish they would show more flashbacks on how entire military operations became over run.like the front of the cdc or the tanks on the streets of atlanta...plus how did that soldier die in the tank?..maybe if they showed some old newspapers or tv news reports as flashbacks that would make it interesting...as shane was recalling it was months before everything got out of hand since it first started...

the zombie survival guide and world war z kind of get into how the militarys weopons are not single fire and wouldnt be effective for single headshots plus the initial moral compass of shooting at a human being...but that is a whole other discussion
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post #1865 of 4376
3/1/12 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

None of the zombie shows ever explain: (1) why there are so many zombies and (2) how and why they stay alive past a month. If zombies eat living people, zombie kills shouldn't turn into zombies. All the people who were dead long before the "infection" shouldn't turn into zombies or they will be too decomposed or embalmed so can't turn into zombies. I never get why there are so many zombies. I always thought the movie 28 Days Later at least tried by having the infection be a disease rather than re-animation, being transferred by any blood contact and that the infected would eventually die of dehydration/malnurishment.

Well, that's not really the point of zombie movies. It's more about apocalyptic situations and the breakdown of civilization, the complicated moral decisions that have to be made, etc. In the original "Night of the Living Dead" the zombies were a metaphor about how the communist menace was being portrayed during the height of the Cold War -- soulless, godless autonomons coming to destroy our way of life. "Dawn of the Dead" was a commentary about how the rise of the suburban shopping center and a culture of consumerism had led to the demise of our old communal way of living. It's never actually about the zombies.
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post #1866 of 4376
3/1/12 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by Se7enPtOne View Post

the zombie survival guide and world war z kind of get into how the militarys weopons are not single fire and wouldnt be effective for single headshots plus the initial moral compass of shooting at a human being...but that is a whole other discussion

Some military weapons... The crew served weaponry would be largely ineffective because it is designed to provide suppressive fire. That is a tactic which is mostly a worthless waste of ammunition against a mindless horde. However, the M16A2 or the M4, which are standard issue for army / Marine personnel, are both select fire weapons which operate on semi-automatic or 3 round burst. Either weapon would make a quite capable zombie plinker.
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post #1867 of 4376
3/1/12 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by c.kingsley View Post

Some military weapons... The crew served weaponry would be largely ineffective because it is designed to provide suppressive fire. That is a tactic which is mostly a worthless waste of ammunition against a mindless horde. However, the M16A2 or the M4, which are standard issue for army / Marine personnel, are both select fire weapons which operate on semi-automatic or 3 round burst. Either weapon would make a quite capable zombie plinker.

exactly...which still doesnt explain how any military prescence can get overrun...CDC front lawn looks stocked w enough guns for WW3

btw World War Z is becoming a movie this year starring brad pitt...keep an eye out
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post #1868 of 4376
3/1/12 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

There was ZERO said about how the CDC did any studies on people who died of other means (non-zombie)... so that doctor at the CDC is really only concluding from the same lack of information as everyone else.

Jenner mentioned suicide cases among CDC crew. Whatever the result of a non-bite death, he knows the answer.

There's still plenty of room for ambiguity. Revealing that the non-bitten may turn into zombies after death doesn't remove the mystery. It doesn't explain why, or if it will happen in every case--only that it's a possibility. One more reason for despair and one more reason to fear each other.
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post #1869 of 4376
3/1/12 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

Jenner mentioned suicide cases among CDC crew. Whatever the result of a non-bite death, he knows the answer.

And it could be that is what he whispered to Rick... which theoretically is supposed to be revealed to us by the end of this season.
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post #1870 of 4376
3/2/12 at 5:00am
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

And it could be that is what he whispered to Rick... which theoretically is supposed to be revealed to us by the end of this season.

maybe the new gang comes to the farm and there is a war between the 2 groups..and some of them die from gun shots not to the head..and then rick goes for the overkill again with a bullet to the head an the rest of the group thinks he has lost it..but then he reveals what he knows to everyone...
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post #1871 of 4376
3/2/12 at 8:17am
If the big 'secret' is that everybody comes back as a zombie ... who cares? Why keep that a secret from everybody? Good to know ... if somebody dies, burn the body or put a bullet in their brain. Big deal.
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post #1872 of 4376
3/2/12 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by edpowers View Post

If the big 'secret' is that everybody comes back as a zombie ... who cares? Why keep that a secret from everybody? Good to know ... if somebody dies, burn the body or put a bullet in their brain. Big deal.

Word.
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post #1873 of 4376
3/2/12 at 9:39am
I'm waiting for a Zombie to pick up a gun....
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post #1874 of 4376
3/2/12 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by Ray Lucca View Post

I'm waiting for a Zombie to pick up a gun....

Why? He'd just try to eat it.
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post #1875 of 4376
3/2/12 at 10:28am
Regarding the "everyone is infected" angle ... I don't think that you would reanimate if you died of causes other than a zombie bite. I base this on the episode where they were scavenging the highway cars and Carl finds the hatchet. If you recall, when Carl opened the door, there was a dead guy holding the hatchet. I seem to think that he wasn't a zombie and he didn't have a head wound. I think he just died from something (maybe heart attack) and the zombies left him alone to decompose.

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Originally Posted by dcowboy7 View Post

They did when they were looking for sophie they saw that zombie that hung himself & daryl didnt want to waste an arrow on him but the chick said to arrow him.

I can't recall if the guy who hung himself was already bitten or if he just decided to check out. Either way, his legs were all chewed up because the zombies picked them clean to the bones. This would have happened after he hung himself, but before he turned into a zombie. I think it's been mentioned that the walkers don't eat zombie meat, but maybe there's a couple of hours where the meat is still OK for them.
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post #1876 of 4376
3/2/12 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by ftaok View Post

Regarding the "everyone is infected" angle ... I don't think that you would reanimate if you died of causes other than a zombie bite. I base this on the episode where they were scavenging the highway cars and Carl finds the hatchet. If you recall, when Carl opened the door, there was a dead guy holding the hatchet. I seem to think that he wasn't a zombie and he didn't have a head wound. I think he just died from something (maybe heart attack) and the zombies left him alone to decompose.

I can't recall if the guy who hung himself was already bitten or if he just decided to check out. Either way, his legs were all chewed up because the zombies picked them clean to the bones. This would have happened after he hung himself, but before he turned into a zombie. I think it's been mentioned that the walkers don't eat zombie meat, but maybe there's a couple of hours where the meat is still OK for them.

Both good points. I don't think it was clear if the guy who hanged himself was bitten before or after. As for the body in the truck, I tend to agree that we've seen enough corpses laying around to find the idea that everyone reanimates regardless of cause of death a sizeable plot hole. However, I'm fine chalking that up to inconsistency, as the writing has generally been sloppy on this show.

Having said that, it's possible that people could die and not reanimate due to brain injuries--for instance, if they have brain cancer or die of a stroke/aneurysm. I'm sure there are enough different causes of death that effectively fry the brain, which would prevent reanimation, that could explain away the non-zombie corpses we've seen.
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post #1877 of 4376
3/2/12 at 12:31pm
Most zombie movies have to gloss over the time between first infection and apocalypse because spreading a disease by biting is not very efficient.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18683...l-quickly.html
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post #1878 of 4376
3/2/12 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by ftaok View Post

Regarding the "everyone is infected" angle ... I don't think that you would reanimate if you died of causes other than a zombie bite. I base this on the episode where they were scavenging the highway cars and Carl finds the hatchet. If you recall, when Carl opened the door, there was a dead guy holding the hatchet. I seem to think that he wasn't a zombie and he didn't have a head wound. I think he just died from something (maybe heart attack) and the zombies left him alone to decompose.

Kirkman addressed this on the Talking Dead show... rather vaguely... by saying that there are things that haven't been shown/told yet. I took that to mean that there is an explanation for why those people would appear not to have turned.

One thought is that it could have been near a military nuclear/"agent orange" type of situation... and the people sitting in the cars may perhaps died due to some brain injury thus no zombie revival.

Basically, we haven't been given enough information within the context of the show to prove any theory. So we get to keep speculating until they do something to rule a theory out... and I think that's part of the design of the show, to keep us guessing.
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post #1879 of 4376
3/3/12 at 1:20am
I finally got to see last weeks... I thought, FINALLY! SOME COMMON @#$%ING SENSE! SAVE AMMO! GET GAS! WHAT A CONCEPT! Then it reverted to being even more Asine... :sigh:
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post #1880 of 4376
3/3/12 at 5:49am
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Why? He'd just try to eat it.

Not so fast. In Atlanta, one Zombie used a rock to break the glass to get into the storefront. It also appears that zombies can get into and out of cars. In the premier, the wife of the black man had enough memory to go to the house where she died and turn the doorknob.
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post #1881 of 4376
3/3/12 at 11:35am
Not sure if anyone knows but the title The Walking dead doesnt refer to the zombies but it refera to the survivors. Title itself says a lot about this argument. Also w
ith every visus throufht history tjere are people that are immune.
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post #1882 of 4376
3/3/12 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by Viventis View Post

Not so fast. In Atlanta, one Zombie used a rock to break the glass to get into the storefront. It also appears that zombies can get into and out of cars. In the premier, the wife of the black man had enough memory to go to the house where she died and turn the doorknob.

Unfortunately, we've completely abandoned these complexities in favor of using them entirely as special-effects showcases.
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post #1883 of 4376
3/4/12 at 7:04am
so who is going to be the executioner in tonights episode? rick? daryl? shane? or are we going to keep the kid alive and start a war humans vs humans?
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post #1884 of 4376
3/4/12 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

Unfortunately, we've completely abandoned these complexities in favor of using them entirely as special-effects showcases.

Again, it's not about the zombies; it's about the survivors. That's where the complexities in this story reside. If any residual memories in the zombies serves a future plot point, we'll be seeing it again. Otherwise, it served its purpose in a scene where it was necessary to amplify a character's anguish for dramatic reasons.
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post #1885 of 4376
3/4/12 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by Se7enPtOne View Post

so who is going to be the executioner in tonights episode? rick? daryl? shane? or are we going to keep the kid alive and start a war humans vs humans?

Not having read the comics/books, I would have to say it will not be shane, but rather will have to be rick to cement his place at the top of the roost.
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post #1886 of 4376
3/4/12 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by qz3fwd View Post

Not having read the comics/books, I would have to say it will not be shane, but rather will have to be rick to cement his place at the top of the roost.

Actually, it should be anyone other than Rick.

Consider real-life leaders...

You don't really want your leader to go around executing people... but sometimes people need to be executed, so you have an executioner that your leader supports while at the same time your leader talks about peace.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick" applies here... that's how Rick as a leader takes control of the group.

When your leader is also the judge/jury/executioner, then you fear your leader more than you respect/follow him... and that spells short-time for the leader.

In the olden days, the town executioner was anonymous... because for as much as people wanted to see criminals executed for major crimes (murder, rape, etc.) they didn't want to pal around with the guy who swung the axe... so keeping the executioner anonymous let him have a life in the community outside of his job.
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post #1887 of 4376
3/4/12 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by Vipfreak View Post

I finally got to see last weeks... I thought, FINALLY! SOME COMMON @#$%ING SENSE! SAVE AMMO! GET GAS! WHAT A CONCEPT! Then it reverted to being even more Asine... :sigh:

I tend to agree with Tycho about the zombies.
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post #1888 of 4376
3/4/12 at 3:38pm
I highly doubt Rick's going to be the executer ? I think the kid is going to be spared but there will be retialiation for the other murdered guys in the bar ..
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post #1889 of 4376
3/4/12 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

When your leader is also the judge/jury/executioner, then you fear your leader more than you respect/follow him... and that spells short-time for the leader.
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Actually HDMe2, thats the title of tonites episode:

"Judge,Jury & Executioner"
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post #1890 of 4376
3/4/12 at 6:59pm
Well there we go. Can't say I'll miss Dale I liked his character in season 1 but in season 2 he was just annoying.
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