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post #2131 of 4376
3/13/12 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Earlier this season, there was a scene where a Zombie was hanging and had apparently been hanging for some time .. and was still animated .. massive brain damage seems to be the key ..

And, if the CDC guy in fact said all are infected and regardless come back at death, then that would explain Shane turning .. scratch / bite or not ..

As well as the 2 security guards that Rick observed not having bites, yet still being zombies.

Another sharp eyed viewer from 2 episodes back noticed @ the location of the Rick/Shane brawl & botched Randall drop - when Rick had 3 or so zombies on top of him, IIRC - that a hose attached to a vehicle's tailpipe & leading to inside said vehicle could be seen. I & others have surely assumed that someone (possibly those guards) offed themselves when the zombie apocalypse started and then later "woke up hungry" with nary a bite or scratch.
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post #2132 of 4376
3/13/12 at 8:03am
I just want to know what were those visions going on in Shane's head while he was turning. Was it a guide on to how to be a zombie?
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post #2133 of 4376
3/13/12 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

I just want to know what were those visions going on in Shane's head while he was turning. Was it a guide on to how to be a zombie?

That is an interesting question. Remember in season 1 when we watched Jim turn (bitten during the zombie raid on the campsite)? He had zombie dreams/visions as well.
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post #2134 of 4376
3/13/12 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by TheGoatLantern View Post

My favorite scene last night was the opening beat down of a random zombie. It reminded me of the printer beat down scene in office space...


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post #2135 of 4376
3/13/12 at 8:48am
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I just want to know what were those visions going on in Shane's head while he was turning. Was it a guide on to how to be a zombie?

Yeah, what was that? Going by horror movie 101 rules, it was almost like he was being possessed by some alien entity...maybe the virus kills, but the coming back is something else...would explain why the brain has to be intact, so it can be taken over...
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post #2136 of 4376
3/13/12 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Some may see Carl turning into Shane Lite, I see a kid that has to learn to survive .. the metrics of child raising are completely different .. he needs to learn to survive and it's going to be harsh .. Mommy may not be there at all at some point ..

I've been thinking about Rick's talk with Carl, and I think you've hit on what his point was. At Carl's age whats right or wrong is basically whatever you can get away with-you don't have to control your own behavior, mommy and daddy will do that for you. Rick was telling him his childhood was over. Carl could no longer depend on some other moral authority, he had to to be his own. Its why Rick didn't punish him. Since anybody could be dead at any time he wanted Carl to realize he no longer had a safety net and had to depend on himself. The ending showe Carl had gotten the message.
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post #2137 of 4376
3/13/12 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Yeah, what was that? Going by horror movie 101 rules, it was almost like he was being possessed by some alien entity...maybe the virus kills, but the coming back is something else...would explain why the brain has to be intact, so it can be taken over...

c.kingsley hit that one a couple posts back. It was similar to the visions we saw Jim the mechanic having after being bitten in S1.
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post #2138 of 4376
3/13/12 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

That would be plausible, except the kid turned after Shane broke his neck, and was never exposed (as far as we've been shown) to walker blood in the same manner as Shane.

When the kid was in the barn, his wrists were all bloodied from trying to escape the handcuffs. That's the same barn where all of the walkers use to be. Maybe that's how he contracted the virus.

Now with Shane, I think he contracted the virus when he purposely cut his hand with that knife on the bus, in order to lure the walkers. Because earlier, I believe that was the same knife that was used to stab a walker in the eye to kill it (at the chain linked fence).
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post #2139 of 4376
3/13/12 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by Se7enPtOne View Post

rick didnt carry him at all....seems like they were walking forever then all of a sudden they were on the house's front lawn

Which doesn't make sense, why would Shane lead Rick back to within viewing distance of the house if he were going to kill him? Besides, if I recall correctly(I would have to view the scene again) there were no trees close by, they were in a wide open field, then, when Carl shows up Rick is over Shane and there are trees very close by behind them. I think the writers just decided to "move" the scene to facilitate Carl's appearance.
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post #2140 of 4376
3/13/12 at 10:20am
Just wanted to remind everyone that zombies don't really exist.

My favorite "review" of the Dawn of the Dead remake came from a kid who hated it because - and I quote - "everyone knows that real zombies can't run fast."
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post #2141 of 4376
3/13/12 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by c.kingsley View Post

That is an interesting question. Remember in season 1 when we watched Jim turn (bitten during the zombie raid on the campsite)? He had zombie dreams/visions as well.

During Shane's scene, I assumed those flashes were in Rick's mind - nightmarish visions of what would happen to his old friend, whose blood was still on his hands.

However, I had forgotten that Jim had similar visions.

Doug
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post #2142 of 4376
3/13/12 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by taz291819 View Post

When the kid was in the barn, his wrists were all bloodied from trying to escape the handcuffs. That's the same barn where all of the walkers use to be. Maybe that's how he contracted the virus.

Now with Shane, I think he contracted the virus when he purposely cut his hand with that knife on the bus, in order to lure the walkers. Because earlier, I believe that was the same knife that was used to stab a walker in the eye to kill it (at the chain linked fence).

Nope - the entire population is infected. Most likely we will have this confirmed come Sunday. The mention of those turned without any visible bite/scratch wounds, the seemingly normal/unbitten Shane & Randall, plus the promised reveal from the TWD producers of what the S1 CDC doc whispered to Rick seem to be blatantly telegraphing this plot point.

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Originally Posted by RDK006 View Post

Just wanted to remind everyone that zombies don't really exist.

My favorite "review" of the Dawn of the Dead remake came from a kid who hated it because - and I quote - "everyone knows that real zombies can't run fast."

True - although zombie afficianandos will differentiate btwn "types". Just ask TWD Wiki:

The zombies are the classic slow walking Romero style zombies, which originated in Night of the Living Dead. Following classic Romero-rules, everyone who dies, for any reason, will re-animate as a zombie except if the brain is damaged/destroyed. Even someone killed by a gunshot wound with no zombies involved at all will re-animate as a zombie. Zombie bites are not how the "infection" is spread. Instead, zombie bites and saliva cause infections that are 100% lethal. Characters have speculated, but cannot confirm, that whatever causes zombies to re-animate is some sort of virus that everyone in the world is technically infected with but is only triggered by death. It is known, however, that upon death, it can take anytime between three minutes and eight hours for the corpse to reanimate.
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post #2143 of 4376
3/13/12 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by RDK006 View Post

Just wanted to remind everyone that zombies don't really exist.

Have you ever seen me without coffee in the morning? Might change your mind
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post #2144 of 4376
3/13/12 at 10:31am
I get the impression that they are following Romero zombie universe rule where everyone becomes a zombie when they die.

Edit: Looks like jwebb beat me to the punch.
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post #2145 of 4376
3/13/12 at 10:45am
They all will become a zombie when they die. From what I've read that matches the comic.
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post #2146 of 4376
3/13/12 at 10:46am
This sums it up for me for Carl.
http://themetapicture.com/every-epis...-walking-dead/
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post #2147 of 4376
3/13/12 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

I just want to know what were those visions going on in Shane's head while he was turning. Was it a guide on to how to be a zombie?

I slow-moed those shots. That 'zombie' didn't look like it was formerly human. It looked a hell of a lot more evil than that.
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post #2148 of 4376
3/13/12 at 11:02am
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Ask and you shall receive

HAHAHAHA that was perfect!
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post #2149 of 4376
3/13/12 at 11:34am
Lol
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post #2150 of 4376
3/13/12 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by David F View Post

Shane broke Randall's neck. They made a point of having Daryl note that Randall had no bite marks and died of a broken neck. So that definitely doesn't prevent you from coming back as a zombie.

I think a plausible argument can be made that Rick was lingering over Shane both in grief and to see if he turns. But that doesn't explain why he was making a noose for Randall a few episodes earlier.

Except breaking someone's neck and having it broken via hanging are far and away different things. The kind of force exerted between the two can't be compared. When a person exerts force to break someone's neck (which is a highly improbable thing to do), it could disconnect control over things like respiration, which would kill someone, but still have enough connections to allow "zombiefication".

The amount of force generated by a body dropping in a hanging would completely disconnect the brain from the body.

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Originally Posted by snowcat View Post

In the comic series, two girls have their heads cut off by a crazy guy they meet at a jail, and they both come back as zombies (at least their heads start hissing and wriggling).

So it is the brain itself that must be destroyed.

By all rights, a broken neck should yield the same results, just with the body attached. There's no connection to the body.

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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Earlier this season, there was a scene where a Zombie was hanging and had apparently been hanging for some time .. and was still animated .. massive brain damage seems to be the key ..

And, if the CDC guy in fact said all are infected and regardless come back at death, then that would explain Shane turning .. scratch / bite or not ..

Except we don't know how the guy ended up there. Was his neck broken in the process or was he just asphyxiated? That would do no damage to the brain or spine, but kill the person.

Look, I get that the rule is dead people come back as zombies even if not bit, but it makes no sense for them to be walking around if the brain is disconnected from the body. I'll buy that they are awake, but immobile.

I'm willing to accept there is a virus that can stimulate the brain stem to operate in "autopilot", so to speak, but when the wiring is cut, the body shouldn't operate.

The human body doesn't operate on Bluetooth.
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post #2151 of 4376
3/13/12 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by WallyK View Post

I have been enjoying this series even with its numerous shortcomings which have have been discussed on this thread. Dont know that I like where this is going. I would think even the darkest plot has to have some hope. It seems to me these people have no hope at all. The grimm reality that you will turn no matter what... whats the point anymore. The thought that when you die you will quickly hop up and start shuffleing aroung looking for raw meat... Guess you just bash everyone in the head with a shovel or shove a pitchfork into their forehead immediatly upon death.

But unless you are bitten, you don't turn until after you are already dead. The point is to LIVE a long life and not die. Our bodies decompose when we die, is that a reason to not want to live?


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In the real world... the zombie apocalypse wouldn't be nearly so apocalyptic.

As someone noted... people die in real life... so we are all mortal. The only difference here is that dead people come back to life... so the initial surprise factor would either wipe out humanity or it wouldn't.

IF it wiped out humanity, then that's the end.

IF it doesn't wipe out humanity... then basically people just adjust to the new reality of making sure you scramble the brain of any dead person before you bury them. Done and done... and life would go on like normal once again.

Exactly. Dead is dead. Obviously it would be very traumatic to see a loved one come back as a zombie, but dealing with a death is already traumatic. Erasing the brain or quickly burning the body is not all that different from how our society uses funeral homes to embalm, bury/cremate our dead to avoid the ugly realities of decomposition. In an apocalyptic world where we no longer have those luxuries, dealing with death (even non-zombie) would be a much more physical/tangible ordeal.
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post #2152 of 4376
3/13/12 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Except breaking someone's neck and having it broken via hanging are far and away different things. The kind of force exerted between the two can't be compared. When a person exerts force to break someone's neck (which is a highly improbable thing to do), it could disconnect control over things like respiration, which would kill someone, but still have enough connections to allow "zombiefication".

The amount of force generated by a body dropping in a hanging would completely disconnect the brain from the body.



By all rights, a broken neck should yield the same results, just with the body attached. There's no connection to the body.


Except we don't know how the guy ended up there. Was his neck broken in the process or was he just asphyxiated? That would do no damage to the brain or spine, but kill the person.

Look, I get that the rule is dead people come back as zombies even if not bit, but it makes no sense for them to be walking around if the brain is disconnected from the body. I'll buy that they are awake, but immobile.

I'm willing to accept there is a virus that can stimulate the brain stem to operate in "autopilot", so to speak, but when the wiring is cut, the body shouldn't operate.

The human body doesn't operate on Bluetooth.

I know where you're coming from .. but would the head at the very minimum still be animated even if decapitated .. ?? I'm trying to think of an example from the show .. I know we've seen torsos with heads still crawling .. I hjust can't recall if we've seen a severed head that is still animated ..

Even the hanging part would not preclude the head from surviving is what I'm saying ...
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post #2153 of 4376
3/13/12 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I know where you're coming from .. but would the head at the very minimum still be animated even if decapitated .. ?? I'm trying to think of an example from the show .. I know we've seen torsos with heads still crawling .. I hjust can't recall if we've seen a severed head that is still animated ..

Even the hanging part would not preclude the head from surviving is what I'm saying ...

Quadrapalegic zombies would get boring and wouldn't be much of a threat. Zombies with broken necks & floppy heads - but still with an ability to walk - stretch the bounds of believability even further than zombies themselves do - but are at least entertaining.
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post #2154 of 4376
3/13/12 at 2:45pm
I know now!

The virus was an attempted cure for paralisys that went out of control!

That explains the virus repairing damaged spines/nerves so the zombies can walk even if the spine is cut..
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post #2155 of 4376
3/13/12 at 3:55pm
That episode sealed it. I'll watch the finale, but I'm not coming back for a third season unless they clean house and hire competent writers. You guys already covered it, but holy hell is the writing horrid. I can handle a certain amount of stupid in the shows I watch, but this is just too much.

When we have have shows like Southland and Fringe currently on, and shows like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones coming back, there's no reason to watch this.

Edit: Actually, if they kill Carl in the finale, I might come back.
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post #2156 of 4376
3/13/12 at 4:05pm
any educated guess on why shane and randall turned so quickly...yet the non speaking members of the group who died in the camp ambush never turned like Ed, and a hand full of randoms...and amy took all night to turn after dying...yet shane instantly turned....maybe it was for the scene effect?
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post #2157 of 4376
3/13/12 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by Se7enPtOne View Post

any educated guess on why shane and randall turned so quickly...yet the non speaking members of the group who died in the camp ambush never turned like Ed, and a hand full of randoms...and amy took all night to turn after dying...yet shane instantly turned....maybe it was for the scene effect?

I think Shane was already half way there.
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post #2158 of 4376
3/13/12 at 6:03pm
maybe its the herd from season 2 episode 1?
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post #2159 of 4376
3/13/12 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Except breaking someone's neck and having it broken via hanging are far and away different things. The kind of force exerted between the two can't be compared. When a person exerts force to break someone's neck (which is a highly improbable thing to do), it could disconnect control over things like respiration, which would kill someone, but still have enough connections to allow "zombiefication".

The amount of force generated by a body dropping in a hanging would completely disconnect the brain from the body.



By all rights, a broken neck should yield the same results, just with the body attached. There's no connection to the body.


Except we don't know how the guy ended up there. Was his neck broken in the process or was he just asphyxiated? That would do no damage to the brain or spine, but kill the person.

Look, I get that the rule is dead people come back as zombies even if not bit, but it makes no sense for them to be walking around if the brain is disconnected from the body. I'll buy that they are awake, but immobile.

I'm willing to accept there is a virus that can stimulate the brain stem to operate in "autopilot", so to speak, but when the wiring is cut, the body shouldn't operate.

The human body doesn't operate on Bluetooth.

I completely agree with you, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Do we want to start taking into account the zombies losing blood flow and what that would do to their muscular system.
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post #2160 of 4376
3/13/12 at 6:18pm
Is it a regular 1 hr show next sunday or do we get a 2hr. finale? Anyone know/
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