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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

We really don't know anything about zombie metabolism in TWD universe. A walker eating an entire corpse has simply never been shown, and still hasn't. Maybe their digestive process can rapidly break down and liquefy organic matter. Maybe something else that's precisely as possible as dead people reanimating as zombies.
As Johnny Carson said, "Buy the premise, buy the bit." True in comedy, true in post-apocalyptic zombie horror.

^^ .. and I'll add that we'll never know about the event that created the Walkers ..
post #3062 of 4365
I have now caught up on The Walking Dead, with the exception of this week's episode, which I will watch later. I agree with the comments made by others that last week's show, in which Lori's baby was born, Lori (probably) died, and T-Dog gave himself up to the walkers in order to save Carol, was great television. As sick as I have become of the endless bloody chases involving walkers, the interplay among the living characters is nonetheless riveting. For example, the Governor is a deliciously intriguing fellow. Although he is a psychopath, he can be remarkably charming and, as a result, is a master manipulator. The final scene where Rick sees his newborn child, understands the consequences, and has an emotional meltdown, was gut wrenching.
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Also it seems the english have even better teeth than zombs so how did he much up all loris bones & clothes ?
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

Regardless whether Carol is alive or not, T-Dog saved several others by closing the gate and preventing the group from being overrun. That's when he got bitten and that makes his death heroic. They made a point of having Glen and Herschel discuss that when Glen came up to him after digging the grave. Glen noted that had T-Dog not shut the gate, Maggie may not have made it.





That's right, I forgot that.


Djoel
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Did anyone notice whether the Governor's daughter had her teeth? Couldn't figure out why she wasn't noshing on dear old dad.
post #3066 of 4365
Finally fully caught up on the show. I have sort of a love hate relationship with it: although I hate the armies of staggering, drooling, moaning zombies we are unrelentingly shown week after week, I like the human story. As fascinating as Rick and his original bunch have been, the new characters introduced each season have been terrific, too. For example, I really liked Dale and hated to see him go. Herschel has been great and the weird and dangerous Governor has been a welcome edition. Finally, it's good to see Merle back, now equipped with a wicked prosthesis for his missing hand. Despite there having been way too many zombies, I'll be around for the rest of the season.
post #3067 of 4365
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Despite there having been way too many zombies, I'll be around for the rest of the season.

I can assure you that you are in a very distinct minority regarding the walkers. There would be weeping and knashing of teeth in Walking Dead land if there were not a weekly fix of walkers. In previous seasons the episodes with few/no walkers, the conversation would invariably be that the budget for the show was too low, and the walkers were being sacrificed on the budget alter. The maker of the walker f/x (Greg Nicotero) has as many fans in WD land as any of the actors (he also directed the Lori death episode). Remember, it's a genre show, and those fans are some of the most intense. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Despite there having been way too many zombies, I'll be around for the rest of the season.

considering the fact that the entire population has the virus i dont think there is an over exxageration of the amount of zombies we have seen.

Season 3's Tag line was Fight the Dead. Fear the living. so far they have lived up to that perfectly. I think once we saw the prisoners we were already calling for their heads, didnt trust them, and didnt think they would be around for long.
post #3069 of 4365
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I'd say that back in those days, the midwife was prepared for that type of possibility .. with the tools, such as they were, readily available .. the delivering on the floor of a filthy prison room, with no water, no even semi-clean cloth, no way to stitch up the cut, an obvious very jagged knife cut, Lori going into shock .. I'm just saying that, although anything is possible, survival under those circumstances seems to me to be very, very slim ..

You're still thinking too modern... c-sections are several thousand years old... WAY way before any kind of modern techniques... and of course, someone had to do the first one! The point is... while it isn't optimal, it is far from a death sentence by default. People way less experienced in way worse environments with way lesser available tools were able to perform such surgeries with success.
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Between keeping things sterile, making soft foods for later without a blender and not having a wailing baby attract walkers, feeding the kid formula is easy.

Again, with modern thinking yes... but sterile is a relatively modern thing in the scheme of human survival... and by no means required. Yes, we all like sterile things... but people survived and thrived long before modern conventions. The animal kingdom still survives to this day.

They still have alcohol, and fire... so sterile is an easy thing to accomplish really... and soft foods? Use rocks if you don't still have eating utensils... and worse comes to worse... pre-chew food for your baby like other species do... so really, not much of an issue really.

I think some people (not you) get too hung up on the lack of modern conveniences and think people couldn't possibly survive without modern stuff... forgetting that most of human history existed without modern stuff and we wouldn't be here if that stuff didn't work!
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

I can assure you that you are in a very distinct minority regarding the walkers. There would be weeping and knashing of teeth in Walking Dead land if there were not a weekly fix of walkers. In previous seasons the episodes with few/no walkers, the conversation would invariably be that the budget for the show was too low, and the walkers were being sacrificed on the budget alter. The maker of the walker f/x (Greg Nicotero) has as many fans in WD land as any of the actors (he also directed the Lori death episode). Remember, it's a genre show, and those fans are some of the most intense. smile.gif

I completely agree. The more walker scenes the better. smile.gif
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My problem with all the zombies is that they create a jarring dissonance in the arc of the story of the still living. The zombies are mindless stooges used, it seems to me, as a device for equally mindless blood, gore, and chases. In stark contrast, the human stories are subtle, smart, and often very sad. I have hated to see that diluted by the excessive use of, to put it gently, the much dumber and shallower zombie stuff. I thought all of that was much better handled in Season 1. In other words, where is Frank Darabont when we need him?smile.gif
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No, they provide constant tension and the plot revolves around how to survive with them. I can't see how there can be too many zombies in this show.
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post


You're still thinking too modern... c-sections are several thousand years old... WAY way before any kind of modern techniques... and of course, someone had to do the first one! The point is... while it isn't optimal, it is far from a death sentence by default. People way less experienced in way worse environments with way lesser available tools were able to perform such surgeries with success.
Again, with modern thinking yes... but sterile is a relatively modern thing in the scheme of human survival... and by no means required. Yes, we all like sterile things... but people survived and thrived long before modern conventions. The animal kingdom still survives to this day.
They still have alcohol, and fire... so sterile is an easy thing to accomplish really... and soft foods? Use rocks if you don't still have eating utensils... and worse comes to worse... pre-chew food for your baby like other species do... so really, not much of an issue really.
I think some people (not you) get too hung up on the lack of modern conveniences and think people couldn't possibly survive without modern stuff... forgetting that most of human history existed without modern stuff and we wouldn't be here if that stuff didn't work!

 

C-sections are indeed several thousand years old.  The Egyptians performed c-sections 3,000 years ago, the Indians and Romans 2,000 years ago.  However, in all documented cases, the babies were removed from dead or dying mothers.   A c-section was deemed a success if the baby survived, there was no hope for the mother.    There is no real evidence of a mother surviving a C-section until the 1600's.   

 

40% of infants in 1700 London died before reaching  the age of two.   That number is .5% today.   

post #3074 of 4365
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

My problem with all the zombies is that they create a jarring dissonance in the arc of the story of the still living. The zombies are mindless stooges used, it seems to me, as a device for equally mindless blood, gore, and chases. In stark contrast, the human stories are subtle, smart, and often very sad. I have hated to see that diluted by the excessive use of, to put it gently, the much dumber and shallower zombie stuff. I thought all of that was much better handled in Season 1. In other words, where is Frank Darabont when we need him?smile.gif

I disagree. The constant threat of the biters is what drives the conflict and drama amongst the living characters.
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

My problem with all the zombies is that they create a jarring dissonance in the arc of the story of the still living. The zombies are mindless stooges used, it seems to me, as a device for equally mindless blood, gore, and chases. In stark contrast, the human stories are subtle, smart, and often very sad. I have hated to see that diluted by the excessive use of, to put it gently, the much dumber and shallower zombie stuff. I thought all of that was much better handled in Season 1. In other words, where is Frank Darabont when we need him?smile.gif

I think that's part of the draw of the show ..
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I respect the opinion shared by several posters here that The Walking Dead can't have too many zombies. I agree that without zombies, the show's central premise, the increasingly desperate fight to survive by the uninfected humans, couldn't exist. My criticism goes to there being too many zombies and too many mindless bloody fights and chases, which take time away from what to me makes the show so engaging. I thought Darabont got it right in the first season but others, including many posters here, thought there should be more zombies. The showrunners agreed so Darabont left and we got more zombies.

Despite my distaste for the frequent dumbing down of the show with zombie mayhem, I can't remember ever seeing a more moving scene in any television show than Rick's meltdown after seeing his daughter and realizing that Lori was gone. Strong, strong stuff!
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I respect the opinion shared by several posters here that The Walking Dead can't have too many zombies. I agree that without zombies, the show's central premise, the increasingly desperate fight to survive by the uninfected humans, couldn't exist. My criticism goes to there being too many zombies and too many mindless bloody fights and chases, which take time away from what to me makes the show so engaging. I thought Darabont got it right in the first season but others, including many posters here, thought there should be more zombies. The showrunners agreed so Darabont left and we got more zombies.
Despite my distaste for the frequent dumbing down of the show with zombie mayhem, I can't remember ever seeing a more moving scene in any television show than Rick's meltdown after seeing his daughter and realizing that Lori was gone. Strong, strong stuff!

It sure seemed to me like there were fewer zombies in the second season than the first. Until the very end that is. But I agree, its the characters that keep me tuning in. The zombies are a sort of catalyst to keep them going.
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Originally Posted by lobosrul View Post

But I agree, its the characters that keep me tuning in. The zombies are a sort of catalyst to keep them going.

Yeah, we all agree that the zombies are an indispensable part of the drama. This show, like 24 and other shows before it, never has been afraid to kill off central characters at any time. I would have bet the house that both Shane and Lori would have been with us to the bitter end. See how that turned out, though. Even without armies of zombies and one or more Desperate Zombie Battles every week, the show would be incredibly intense.

Thanks again to those posters who encouraged me to catch up on this show. It's been more than worth my time and attention.
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The question, for me anyway, has for some time been .. "Is the title describing the Walkers or the remaining humans .. ""
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

No, they provide constant tension and the plot revolves around how to survive with them. I can't see how there can be too many zombies in this show.

^ This. I also love the gore/blood and any scene where Michonne is slicing and dicing walkers, or Rick and the gang are slashing and bashing. The scene where they stormed the prison courtyard was so awesome! But beyond the gore, the walkers bring a sense of intensity; the show wouldn't be the same without it or without them.

Concerning there being too many walkers, since much of mankind has been infected (or so we're lead to believe), there simply can't be too many. Heck, there probably aren't enough, although I admit at this point it is unclear how much of the world has been infected.
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The question, for me anyway, has for some time been .. "Is the title describing the Walkers or the remaining humans .. ""

Remaining humans.
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I respect the opinion shared by several posters here that The Walking Dead can't have too many zombies. I agree that without zombies, the show's central premise, the increasingly desperate fight to survive by the uninfected humans, couldn't exist. My criticism goes to there being too many zombies and too many mindless bloody fights and chases, which take time away from what to me makes the show so engaging. I thought Darabont got it right in the first season but others, including many posters here, thought there should be more zombies. The showrunners agreed so Darabont left and we got more zombies.
Despite my distaste for the frequent dumbing down of the show with zombie mayhem, I can't remember ever seeing a more moving scene in any television show than Rick's meltdown after seeing his daughter and realizing that Lori was gone. Strong, strong stuff!

I agree, which is why season 2 is probably my favorite season, even though for most people it's considered far and away the weakest.

My wife doesn't like zombie flicks, so she passed on this show initially. In trying to convince her to watch it I used to tell her that this wasn't really some zombie action show, but rather more of an intense drama with zombies as the backdrop. I don't really think I could make that case anymore. There's still drama, but this is definitely an action flick with drama now as opposed to the other way around.

Not that it's a big deal to me, as it's still my favorite show on right now. I liked it better the way it was in season 2, but this is still great as well.
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

The question, for me anyway, has for some time been .. "Is the title describing the Walkers or the remaining humans .. ""

Good point! Although the surviving humans have not been immediately affected by the virus, they are nevertheless losing their humanity. Watching's Shane's descent into barbarism was chilling. We do not yet know enough about the Governor's backstory to assess what kind of a guy he was before the apocalypse, but it's a good bet he was a whole lot less monstrous then than he is now. Even do-gooder Rick seems to be headed down a bad road these days.
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Nuance - I like your avatar... it's just the wrong color. UGA's old AD Vince Dooley 'borrowed' the G from the Packers.


My only issue with the walkers is that they seem to be over populated in rural areas and they pop up way too quickly. I can understand being over populated in the city but not in rural, "one stop light" GA towns.

Lori's scene was tough on me b/c my wife is 8 1/2 months preggo right now. Hard to watch.
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Good point! Although the surviving humans have not been immediately affected by the virus, they are nevertheless losing their humanity. Watching's Shane's descent into barbarism was chilling. We do not yet know enough about the Governor's backstory to assess what kind of a guy he was before the apocalypse, but it's a good bet he was a whole lot less monstrous then than he is now. Even do-gooder Rick seems to be headed down a bad road these days.

My speculation on the Gov .. frustrated low level bureaucrat finally granted his lifelong dream to dominate ..
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

My speculation on the Gov .. frustrated low level bureaucrat finally granted his lifelong dream to dominate ..

Or, a former Bestbuy employee. tongue.gif (DOTD for the win!)

What I took form the walking dead comics, and is starting to come through the show now, was the zombies were the fun, tension relieving part of the story. Zombies would not have gotten in the prison if it had not been for the one inmate. Ultimately, zombies are slow and can be dispatched if you are paying attention. What is left of mankind, and how civilized people try to survive in a quickly turning medievel world, is the true horror.
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

The question, for me anyway, has for some time been .. "Is the title describing the Walkers or the remaining humans .. ""

I can tell you exactly and for sure. Krikman himself addressed this on Talking Dead. Just in case you don't want to know, but I doubt they will ever address it in the show, I will put the spoiler into spoiler tags.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Kirkman said his title has always referenced the humans and how they are just trying to survive, but as they have shown, they are killed off frequently.
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Originally Posted by FreeBaGeL View Post

I agree, which is why season 2 is probably my favorite season, even though for most people it's considered far and away the weakest.
Not that it's a big deal to me, as it's still my favorite show on right now. I liked it better the way it was in season 2, but this is still great as well.
The first half of S2 or the second half? If you really liked life on the farm in the first half, you are definitely in the minority.

This season has been amazing just because of the shock factor, I'd put it right behind S1 overall.
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I've always considered TWD (in both formats) to be the story of people under the most extreme possible stress, stress that is, most importantly, constant, unremitting, and not just life-threatening but challenging to the very definition of what it is to be human.

Every moment there are no walkers nearbly is a moment that relaxes that stress. The season on the farm tried to replace the threat of walkers with other kinds of stress, but it didn't work.

IMO this is a case where ramping up the zombie action serves more than one purpose. It's good for ratings, and it's good for the underlying drama.
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

The first half of S2 or the second half? If you really liked life on the farm in the first half, you are definitely in the minority.
This season has been amazing just because of the shock factor, I'd put it right behind S1 overall.

Stack me up as one of the minority, (no biggie been there before) but I really enjoy the entire 2nd season, as I did watched it practically in one seating! It was pretty interesting crescendo!


Djoel
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

That was interesting (the three graves) given that they never confirmed Carol was dead. All we heard was Daryl saying she didn't make it when T-Dog went down, but we never saw the body.
So who's in the other two graves? Lori was dissolved and I can't see them digging graves for the rest of the prison crowd. All that leaves is T-Dog.
Well, I don't think anyone knew at the time that Lori had been eaten. Therefore, she gets a grave since they assumed Carl prevented her from turning and likely assumed her body would still be there. As of right now, only Rick knows she was eaten. That's grave #2.

The third grave was likely for Carol under the assumption she is also dead and would show up sooner or later. Granted, they couldn't be sure, but as long as you're out there digging...
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