"The Walking Dead" on AMC HD - Page 121

My thoughts on Sunday's episode:

- My first thought when I saw the delivery truck speeding toward the prison was "Trojan Horse." My only complaint was that the number of zombies seemed to multiply after the original 5-6 walked down the ramp.

- Hershel hobbles out to the perimeter fence and takes no stabbing weapon? 9mos after the outbreak, There'd be a machete permanently attached to my hip. No?

- When Rick's group first cleared the prison yard I believe Carol or Maggie climbed a guard tower and was killing walkers with one shot. Now the group can't shoot humans standing in plain sight?

- Michone hides behind a fallen school bus as cover against 5.56/7.62 rounds and survives unscathed? Pretty sure the roof of a bus is like 1/8" sheetmetal, tops.

- After the gate was busted by the Gov's team, all the zombies outside the prison perimeter made a B-Line for it. Since when do walkers think rationally? I thought walkers operated under the logic of take the shortest distance to the food source.

- With the exception of the trojan horse zombies all the other zombies were located outside the perimeter. Why didn't they head straight for the Gov's team, considering they were closer and making just as much noise?

- If Andrea was in fact driving the van, she will eclipse Season 2 Carl as my most hated character. It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

- In a world with no civilization (i.e. no background noise) how far does the sound of a firefight travel? 2mi? 3mi? I'm asking?

The good:

- Great dialog between Carol and the inmate. At first I thought he might've been a threat to her if they were ever isolated but I genuinly began to warm up to him and I think Carol did too. The ensuing headshot made me flinch. Totally unexpected.

- Great dialog between Hershel & Rick and Hershel & Glen. I think Hershel is the glue of the group and I'm glad he survived the amputation. I like him as the moral compass much better than Dale. Imo, Dale was sanctimonius and naive. Hershel balances ethics with what's prudent for the groups survival.

- The bridge fight sequence was awesome! The tailgate headsmash has to be one of the top 5 zombie kills of the series; right up there with Glen's clown stomp of the zombie last week. Kinda wish the family on the bridge was American so that we could hear how they'd servived thus far. Honestly they didn't appear to be the type of folks that would've survived this long. Might've been a good way to work Tyrese's group back into the picture. To this point Tyrese and Daryl havn't met.

Overall I'm lovin the show. We DVR it and watch it immediately after the kids go to bed. Fast forward through all the commercials and when we hit the 50min mark there's always sadness that its almost over and anger that that particular commercial break is so long.

I look at all the wrong things. When Glenn drove off in the pickup truck I thought that truck is way too clean. The dust, rust and grime crew must have been off that week.

Maybe he recently bought it new. I hear demand is low and as a result they are a real steal!

I know this is not what you want to hear but I would think that it is much harder to shoot at something that is shooting back at you. Sorry Axel couldn't finish his story. His death was pretty shocking and neat at the same time.

Zombie clown car?

Bahahahaha! You idiots think the shooting scene is believeable... ? Next thing you'll say are filing cabinets are bullet proof... Wow...

Yea that was one of the worst shooting scenes I have ever seen on T.V, great episode though and set up some good plot lines to push rest of the season, such as is Merle a mole, is Rick done being crazy or atleast somewhat, what exactly does Gov got planned, is Glenn poised to take a more leadership role especially if Rick can't get his ish together. Going to be a fun end to the season IMO!

For crissake, it WAS NOT Andrea in the bread van! ...and about the clean truck....RAM must be a show sponsor, as is Hyundai....if you notice, the Hyundai SUV is always clean...must be a condition of sponsorship.

We have NO IDEA who was in the bread van, so please enlighten us on how it couldn't be her.

Why would the woman driving the van be Andrea? That doesn't make any sense at all. We've seen that there are women fighters on the governor's crew. The governor probably picked the fastest runner to drive the van.

I can ignore the unrealistic firefight. It makes for good drama. Stupid plots are something else. Merle being a deep cover mole? Andrea trying to kill her friends just to win the governor's trust? I don't think the writers would go that way. This isn't "24".

As ex-miliary with combat experience, if you honestly think that while you are under heavy fire, from a surprise attack, and other than Rick have no real weapons training that I know of and can maintain your composure, stay calm, aim, breath steady, etc you are mistaken ..it's some women, an old man, and a kid

That's my defense of Ricks crew .. the Govs people had no excuse .. they took Axel out with one head shot and went downhill from there .. in fact, it looked to me like the Gov himself was playing at being Rambo and was not even trying to hit anything .. ..

I was going to let this topic alone, but when I saw somebody post something about idiots and the shooting scene ...

I'm with you with everyone but the kid.

He's been potrayed multiple times as having gun skills, right from the very first episode of this season where he helps his father clear a house of zombies and later when he rescues the people that seek shelter in the prison while his father is away.

If there's any complaint with his portrayal is that he shoots one handed too much, a bad trait he apparently picked up from his father, who does as well.

^^^ .. yeah, I can see that .. I was looking at it as being more long range when the Gov attacked, where some of the parts you mention were more short range .. Carl, for his age, does seem to be pretty good with a side arm .. it was Shane, I think, that introduced him to weaponry .. ???

First of all she was still in town and didn't know where the Governor was while told he was "out on a run"....so you figure she lined up a van, then rounded up a bunch of zombies, and donned some riot gear and drove out to the prison in hopes the governor was there - just in time to really help the attack?

Second, if you saw the previews for the next ep at the end of the show, it's pretty clear (at least to me)

^^^ Like I said earlier .. I'll lay money on Andrea not being the driver ..

I think the Van driver was "Karen", although it could be Andrea.... It sure looked like a female ..
The Governor and his group apparently have ammo to burn, and it sounds like Rick's group is running low..

Agree 100%


Djoel

Right .... I had enough trouble qualifying on the "pop-up" ranges ... it's probably a good thing I never had to test my "skills."

At least we know we can rely on you when the real zombie apocalypse occurs.

Here is a video of the gunfight if you guys want to disect it some more: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Edited by RemoWilliams84 - 2/20/13 at 2:06pm

Awesome.

Agreed.

It was not Andrea, for the above mentioned reasons and also, the woman that was driving was petite. Andrea has a bigger frame than the driver.

Originally, I thought it was the dark haired woman that was on the wall, because she has the right build for it, but as mentioned with Andrea, she wouldn't have time to respond to Andrea and then jump in the bread truck and haul ass to the prison.

Another point to raise......Andrea doesn't even know where the prison is.

I really hope Tyreese's group shows back up next week. Would be a stupid move to just leave them out completely.

My post was simply to point out that none of us know who was driving the van, not that I think it was Andrea. You can't say 'there's NO WAY' it was Andrea, because we don't know.

I don't think it was her, but it certainly looked like a woman's frame.

I'll say it: NO WAY was it Andrea. She's not going to be part of an attack, with dubious motives or chance of success, on the very group of which she was once a part. That makes no thematic sense, especially given that she's losing her faith & trust in the Governor. Forget that she doesn't even know where the prison is.

It's always fun to see what people get fixated on in show threads.

I don't know if it's Andrea or not, but I'd say that you can't really go by what makes thematic sense when talking about this show. Especially the female characters.

It seemed obvious to me that the Gov's attack was purely symbolic. He wanted to rattle Rick's team and show them they're not safe. He did not intend to kill them all. That will come later. I don't know what he thinks will happen next, but possibilities are:
1) Rick's team will attack Woodbury and be wiped out;
2) After giving some time for Rick's team to get really nervous, he'll plan a full-on attack of the prison;
3) Due to the aforementioned seed planted in Rick's team, they'll tear each other apart and the Gov won't have to do anything else.

I'm not saying these things can be reasonably expected to happen, but we know the Gov is slightly unhinged, and he might think they'll happen.

I'd call the guy more than slightly unhinged ..

With the wooded area around Woodbury such as it is, it would not be difficult to carefully plan an attack .. the guards are on a raised platform .. put Merle and Daryl outside the main gate, coordinate another group from the rear, have Merle and Daryl pick off the guards, give it a few minutes and as the rest of the town converges on the main gate, have group two attack from the rear ..

Or do as Hershel wants and hit the road ..

Anyway you slice it, the prison location has been compromised and it's unlikely the Gov is going to let up .. so it's fight and defend, attack or move on ..

Quite frankly, the prison is too big for them. It's too much turf to defend well.

They're be better off finding a smaller school somewhere that has a good fence and barricading themselves off in it. Something out in suburbia would be easier to see an enemy coming by likely being surrounded by athletic fields. Or, go for an older (probably repurposed) school that was once named Kennedy High or something like that which would likely have plenty of places to set up panic rooms. For example, my elementary school had a bomb shelter in it from the 50's. It also had confined doorways and hallways that would provide choke points for threats and the place was a maze with levels that didn't connect to other areas directly. The frontage has a good view of the road and the rear was flanked by a fast moving river. That's where I would have headed.

Everyone get's their own classroom to live in - preferrably on the second floor.

Even a smaller county jail or community college campus situation would be more controllable.

A prison is only a good place to hole up if there's no breach. There are too many that they don't even know about and there's no way to detect when others occur in a place that size.

If it were me, I'd want to move on rather than take my chances at the prison .. although I would like to see Rick's crew take out the Gov's .. even take out the fighters and move into town ..

Otherwise, I would attempt to locate a National Guard armory which tend to be smaller facilities as well as being fenced / razor wired ..

Or an abandoned missile silo .. underground storage facility .. mine .. anything that would have a single entrance that could be easily defended and fortified ..