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post #4051 of 6194
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

Awesome episode. I don't think I would want to get my ring that way though.

All things considered... not sure how/where else she was going to get a ring. I would agree, in non-zombie world you wouldn't want a ring from a dead girl's hand... but in the apocalypse? It isn't like he can just pop down to the local jeweler or something.
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

They are outnumbered and outgunned, they have children. Its not as easy a choice as you seem to think it is. Totally realistic that Rick would leap at the chance to have the group survive. Are you really so sure how you would act in the same situation? I'm not. Sacrificing oneself for the moral high ground is easy. Being responsible for others, esp. children who assume you will protect them complicates things.

Actually, this is exactly why Rick shouldn't have considered giving up Michonne for even a second.

Ignoring that she has been helpful and is a good fighter.

Ignoring that she is new to the group and maybe they don't fully accept her as "one of us" yet.

It sets a horrible precedent... in fact, it was exactly like when Shane shot Otis. Not to beat that dead horse... but the problem *I* had with Shane shooting Otis was that he shot Otis when there were still other options on the table... and he didn't even kill Otis, he let Otis be eaten alive... and he did all that knowing it might give him time to save himself.

So... Rick gives up Michonne... when he has other options... and knows Michonne will be brutalized and tortured... all to maybe give Rick and his group some safety.

IF Rick can give up Michonne that easily... then we are really at Shane 2.0.

And... when your leader can decide "that guy/girl isn't needed so let's sacrifice him/her so the rest of us can run in the other direction" so easily... you really don't want that guy as your leader.

Rick comes to his senses... but I agree with those who thought it really shouldn't have come to that. He should have played along with the Governor, to make him think he might consider it... then Rick should have immediately told the group because that would tell them exactly who the Governor was... and why they had to decide to fight or run. There was no peace someone like that.
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By far my favorite show on TV an apparently does better than all other scripted TV in the 18-45 demographic. I don't know why you would spend the time to watch it if you didn't like it. Does it have the best acting on TV? Probably not but I don't think its much worse than anything else out there.
post #4053 of 6194
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

All things considered... not sure how/where else she was going to get a ring. I would agree, in non-zombie world you wouldn't want a ring from a dead girl's hand... but in the apocalypse? It isn't like he can just pop down to the local jeweler or something.
Actually, this is exactly why Rick shouldn't have considered giving up Michonne for even a second.

Ignoring that she has been helpful and is a good fighter.

Ignoring that she is new to the group and maybe they don't fully accept her as "one of us" yet.

It sets a horrible precedent... in fact, it was exactly like when Shane shot Otis. Not to beat that dead horse... but the problem *I* had with Shane shooting Otis was that he shot Otis when there were still other options on the table... and he didn't even kill Otis, he let Otis be eaten alive... and he did all that knowing it might give him time to save himself.

So... Rick gives up Michonne... when he has other options... and knows Michonne will be brutalized and tortured... all to maybe give Rick and his group some safety.

IF Rick can give up Michonne that easily... then we are really at Shane 2.0.

And... when your leader can decide "that guy/girl isn't needed so let's sacrifice him/her so the rest of us can run in the other direction" so easily... you really don't want that guy as your leader.

Rick comes to his senses... but I agree with those who thought it really shouldn't have come to that. He should have played along with the Governor, to make him think he might consider it... then Rick should have immediately told the group because that would tell them exactly who the Governor was... and why they had to decide to fight or run. There was no peace someone like that.

Everything you say makes perfect sense, and from the detached, objective position of watching in a comfy, safe room it is the only logical decision. But if you were actually living it as Rick is, then it becomes an emotional decision as much as a rational one. Children, esp,. a newborn baby, trumps everything. In that position its perfectly reasonable that Rick would jump at any chance, no matter how unlikely or morally wrong it might be, if it means his kids are safe. Yeah, he doesn't totally believe the gov. Yeah, it is the wrong thing to do...but if it means there is a chance, no matter how small, that his children die if he doesn't turn over Michonne, and live if he does, then one can understand his going along with it. I'm not arguing its the right thing to do only that I see his thought process. It was said it was unbelievable and out of character for Rick to even consider it, and thats what I disagree with. Of course, he changed his mind, for the very reasons you bring up. "We can't sacrifice one of the group for the greater good, because we ARE the greater good, all of us," is what he said roughly, which is the same point you're making.
post #4054 of 6194
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Originally Posted by design1stcode2nd View Post

By far my favorite show on TV an apparently does better than all other scripted TV in the 18-45 demographic. I don't know why you would spend the time to watch it if you didn't like it. Does it have the best acting on TV? Probably not but I don't think its much worse than anything else out there.



I agree, it's the Mo Money Mo problem situation.

Djoel
post #4055 of 6194
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Originally Posted by design1stcode2nd View Post

By far my favorite show on TV an apparently does better than all other scripted TV in the 18-45 demographic. I don't know why you would spend the time to watch it if you didn't like it. Does it have the best acting on TV? Probably not but I don't think its much worse than anything else out there.

Even does good in 18-49 demo. wink.gif....though i like GOT better.
post #4056 of 6194
we get a big 65 minutes for the finale..mad.gif Couldn't it have been 2 hours for a real treat?
post #4057 of 6194
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Originally Posted by taxman48 View Post

we get a big 65 minutes for the finale..mad.gif Couldn't it have been 2 hours for a real treat?

I agree, even 90 minutes would have been cool.
post #4058 of 6194
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Originally Posted by taxman48 View Post

we get a big 65 minutes for the finale..mad.gif Couldn't it have been 2 hours for a real treat?


Is that a real 65 minutes or riddled with commercials?


Djoel
post #4059 of 6194
65 minutes probably equates to a 1 and a half hour show with commercials.
post #4060 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Is that a real 65 minutes or riddled with commercials?


Djoel
Riddled with commercials.
post #4061 of 6194
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post



Everything you say makes perfect sense, and from the detached, objective position of watching in a comfy, safe room it is the only logical decision. But if you were actually living it as Rick is, then it becomes an emotional decision as much as a rational one. Children, esp,. a newborn baby, trumps everything. In that position its perfectly reasonable that Rick would jump at any chance, no matter how unlikely or morally wrong it might be, if it means his kids are safe. Yeah, he doesn't totally believe the gov. Yeah, it is the wrong thing to do...but if it means there is a chance, no matter how small, that his children die if he doesn't turn over Michonne, and live if he does, then one can understand his going along with it. I'm not arguing its the right thing to do only that I see his thought process. It was said it was unbelievable and out of character for Rick to even consider it, and thats what I disagree with. Of course, he changed his mind, for the very reasons you bring up. "We can't sacrifice one of the group for the greater good, because we ARE the greater good, all of us," is what he said roughly, which is the same point you're making.

I wasn't even meaning to go that "deep" with it... I mean, yeah, the moral high ground and all is the speech Rick gave there at the end.

But consider your scenario... ignore the morality of it all... and just think like this.

If Rick gives up Michonne to protect the group... and Daryl, Merle, and Herschel knew that... say a week from now, Merle and Daryle think, you know... that Rick is causing problems, let's leave him for the greater good... or maybe Herschel says to himself, Glenn and Maggie and Beth would be better off if Rick wasn't around...

It starts that roller coaster going where nobody can trust anybody. Forget liking or respecting or moral high ground... you'd have to sleep with one eye open not to be safe from zombies, but because you fear someone in your group might decide YOU were the next sacrifice.

That is really where strength in numbers comes from... not just the team to fight off the enemy, but a group of people who will not sell you out for a ham sandwich.

Then you have morals and all that... but I concede that in dangerous situations you might make some decisions that aren't the most morally "correct" in order to survive. Survival instincts kicking in and all isn't a bad thing... but Turncoat/traitor instincts kicking in is bad for everyone.
post #4062 of 6194
RIck had to make a tough decision, so he did. Then, after further reflection and faced with the magnitude of what he was going to do, he changed his mind. People do it all the time, and the head is uneasy that wears the crown, as it were.

Besides, if Rick had not made the initial decision to sacrifice Michonne for the group, one which neither Daryl or Merle believed he'd actually have the guts to do, then Merle would not have felt it necessary to go and do it on his own. Which would have deprived the episode of all its drama regarding Merle's eventual redemption and sacrifice on behalf of the group. Honestly, sometimes I think some of you people have never watched a TV show before. wink.gif
post #4063 of 6194
As I and others said a while back, Rick would not give up Michonne ..
post #4064 of 6194
Even if the gov. had honored the deal, I agree it would eventually tear apart the group. All I'm saying it it isn't out of character for Rick to consider it, thinking it was the right thing to do.

If its not entirely clear yet, I thought this was the best episode ever in the series. From the almost nonchalant way Glenn went about getting the ring to Daryl's reaction to the familiar face of his brother transformed into a monster, it really brought home the everyday horror of life in this world. And capping it off with Rick's speech, which not only showed the contrast between his and the gov. style of leadership, but also expressed the theme for the whole season and tied it all together, was brilliant.A perfect set up to a slam bang finale.
post #4065 of 6194
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Even if the gov. had honored the deal, I agree it would eventually tear apart the group. All I'm saying it it isn't out of character for Rick to consider it, thinking it was the right thing to do.

If its not entirely clear yet, I thought this was the best episode ever in the series. From the almost nonchalant way Glenn went about getting the ring to Daryl's reaction to the familiar face of his brother transformed into a monster, it really brought home the everyday horror of life in this world. And capping it off with Rick's speech, which not only showed the contrast between his and the gov. style of leadership, but also expressed the theme for the whole season and tied it all together, was brilliant.A perfect set up to a slam bang finale.

I agree. Great episode all around. Except for the car wheels. wink.gif
post #4066 of 6194
It was a great episode .. Merle definitely weakened the Govs group .. and when the Gov bit Merles fingers off .. wow .. very intense ..


I don't know how long a car battery will hold a charge, but it's been about a year now since "the event" .. hot wiring it now seemed to me to be a bit of a stretch, but that's just a nit pick ..

Rick coming to his senses on Michonne had nothing to do with thinking it would tear the group appart eventually, IMO .. it had to do with doing the right thing .. when Rick said "I'm not your Govenor" that pretty much nailed it ..
post #4067 of 6194
we'll miss ya ..

post #4068 of 6194
Remember back to what Lorrie said one time..something to the effect of "Do what you have to do to keep this group safe, with a clean conscious." Michonne is still a bit of an outcast and not in the same pecking order as the others (excluding Merle of course). It's the age old dilemma of sacrificing one to save more than one.

You are in an over crowded life boat that will most likely sink if one person doesn't go..

In the end ethically Rick made the right choice but I could see how he would have struggled with it.
post #4069 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

65 minutes probably equates to a 1 and a half hour show with commercials.

No the full show run time with commercials is 65 minutes -- 9:00-10:05.

So since a 60m show is about 42m without commercials then 65 is probably about 44.

But with dvr who cares about commercials.


I watch game of thrones + walking dead + talking dead so this is my sched for sunday nite:
dvr walking dead 9:00
watch game of thrones 9:00
dvr talking dead 10:05
watch walking dead 10:00 (ff commercials)
watch talking dead 10:45 (ff commercials)
all done at 11:30
post #4070 of 6194
I've been recording Walking and Talking back to back and the DVR on my dish system has been screwing it up. With one show set to start one minute early, it cuts off the end of the show before it. Usually it's not a problem because having 3 tuners, 2 shows and a timer set for back to back recordings on different channels don't conflict. But when it's on the same channel it uses the same tuner and cuts off the shows. It was annoying for the last episode because it cut off Daryls reaction to Merle.

I set it to skip the talking dead show next week and record the one after. Actually I'll have to change it, now that I know we have a 65 minute show.
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post #4072 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

...the DVR on my dish system has been screwing it up...

Can you add additional time to a show on your system? Just record WD, but add an additional 1:15 to the end time. That should give you one seamless block containing both shows.
post #4073 of 6194
Had this fleeting thought: Rick and the gang have their stuff packed and ready to slip out the back door of the prison while The Gov comes in the front door guns blazing...then head to Woodbury and close the doors on The Gov et al from coming back in. The greatest double-back of all time!
post #4074 of 6194
From a tactical perspective, Merle had the right idea .. create a diversion and attack from a hidden place .. thus buying you time before they figure out where you are .. if he had paused and ran to another area after a few shots, it would have been even better .. the "Pied Piper" car trick was great ..

Too bad I think Merle just hatched that idea as he talked with Michonne and decided he had to do it on his own .. if he had gone back to the prison, layed out the plan, I think Ricks group would have bought into it and done some real damage ..
post #4075 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Wytchone View Post

ZOMBIE STORY
Betcha' didn't realize that Toy Story and The Walking Dead have virtually the same characters and storylines, didja'?



Make sure to hit the Next button to get the full effect!

That's awesome!
post #4076 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

I disliked pretty much everything in that article. The guy is forcing these stupid jokes in almost every line. He says he likes the show but he's bashing EVERYTHING about the show. I was annoyed through the whole thing.

I did find this bit funny though:
Edit: This is the first thing I've read from this person, so I have no basis, but being that I don't like 90% of this article. I probably wouldn't like anything else from him.

I hear you. I am not quite as dedicated fan of The Walking Dead as you are, so I thought Bill Simmons' snarky Grantland piece about the show was hysterical, As noted in an earlier post, though, I long ago discovered Simmons' highly developed sense of unfairness and understand why some of his Walking Dead piece irritated you.
post #4077 of 6194
That was pretty good! Thanks for the link.
post #4078 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Shedrock View Post

Can you add additional time to a show on your system? Just record WD, but add an additional 1:15 to the end time. That should give you one seamless block containing both shows.

No, both programs are set to 1 minute early and a couple minutes late. It always interferes with shows back to back. I think I could probably just set the timer to record a 2 hour block, not set to any show title. But there's only 1 show left now and recording the show after fixes it.
post #4079 of 6194
I loved Simmons' article and I do very much like TWD. However, I've been a Simmons fan for years and even wish he'd throw in a Zombie Sonics reference in occasionally still wink.gif
Edited by sirjonsnow - 3/27/13 at 4:43pm
post #4080 of 6194
What was the deal with Merle grabbing the telephone in the boiler room, that Rick was hearing voices on? Was that just to take the wire to tie up Michone? I thought he packed it in his carrying on bag.
Thought it was weird!

Djoel
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