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post #4141 of 6194
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

I was really hoping Lennie James would show up and save the series.

I still like this show (its not my favorite), yeah Lennie James brings a whole new dimension to the show.
post #4142 of 6194
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

I still like this show (its not my favorite), yeah Lennie James brings a whole new dimension to the show.

His episode and the one after it (Rick/Gov standoff) were easily the best of the season. As a horror fan there is some solid FX work going on too, especially in a few of the earlier shows of this season. As a whole it's one of my faves on the tube but I'm glad the season is over. I have the itch to get into something new.
post #4143 of 6194
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

His episode and the one after it (Rick/Gov standoff) were easily the best of the season. As a horror fan there is some solid FX work going on too, especially in a few of the earlier shows of this season. As a whole it's one of my faves on the tube but I'm glad the season is over. I have the itch to get into something new.

Looks like Lennie James and Mark Strong will be on "Low Winter Sun"

http://www.amctv.com/low-winter-sun/videos/low-winter-sun-trailer
post #4144 of 6194
Very disappointing episode for me. WAY too much time trying to build up a sentimental death scene for Andrea, who was even more aggravating tonight than usual. The only emotion I had to her death scene was "What took so long?" Add to that the Governor making it out alive and I really didn't enjoy this episode much at all.

I guess I shouldn't have believed the hype about the mind blowing finale.
post #4145 of 6194
Finale episode was a steamy pile of crap. This should have been a the mid season ending.
post #4146 of 6194
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Looks like Lennie James and Mark Strong will be on "Low Winter Sun"

http://www.amctv.com/low-winter-sun/videos/low-winter-sun-trailer

Cool.

On that note I will unsubscribe until October.
post #4147 of 6194
As a stand alone episode, it's fine. IMHO, it's disappointing because the season was leading to a resolution of Rick vs. Governor, and no resolution between the two was had. And while that might sound like I am whining that one of them didn't die in this season finale, I think it's a valid point. You can't build up so much to this resolution and then cop out with no resolution of THE storyline of the season.
post #4148 of 6194
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

"Now your killing or dead or dead and killing" - killer great quote from the Gov.

Actually, it was "you kill or you die, or you die and you kill". wink.gif

Just when you think you have seen it all from the Governor......
post #4149 of 6194
The most anti-climatic ending to a season.

Why would they not have just taken over woodbury? And the Govs 2 henchmen, wow, the worst people ever. He's mass murdering innocent people, lets just watch, like a couple of morons. Then lets get in his truck and drive away with him... Everything will be A. OK.


Andrea's death was too little too late, she should have died much earlier in the season. Did anyone watching care? I doubt it. Milton would have been a better solo death in that scene, in the chair tortured to death.
post #4150 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Se7enPtOne View Post

Honestly felt like I was watching 65 minutes worth of commercials with some sort of zombie show mixed in every so often...disappointing finale with no resolution to the Governor storyline. Jaw-Dropping? only if you fell asleep during the extended AMC promos they kept pushing.

Yeah, I agree ...huge let down. They had a good set-up in so many ways, but completely missed with that finale.

Now, I'm actually LESS excited to see the show continue in the Fall.

The first half of this season, before the break, was awesome. But the second half was pretty slow and had some dumb scenes just tossed in. rolleyes.gif
post #4151 of 6194
There were at least 2 episodes of this second half season that were great. The rest were just ok.
post #4152 of 6194
I think ill echo many of those here, that while not a horrible episode it felt more of a "bridge" episode than a closing of a chapter\season........I am still a huge fan of the show, but the ending was anti climatic for me personally.....
post #4153 of 6194
I liked the episode.

A co-worker and I have been arguing over who would die this season - Milton or Andrea.

They both died - we both lose and that whole scene had me shocked. It was a tense opener with the Governor beating milton - intense decision he had to make. Intense that the governor left milton to turn on Andrea. Intense that the woodburry gang was all gunned down by phsyco governor. Intense that they had to watch a friend die - specifically michonne. Intense that Carl shot a kid (which I agree with Hershel - that kill was NOT warranted). The kid was putting down the gun at their feet as best I could tell. Carl just wanted to be a part of the action and quit being left behind - he said so himself. So he kills an innocent? I never liked Carl's character. I dislike it more now. He did have a pretty rational reason he relayed to Rick about why he killed the kid - because previous merciful actions had ended up getting people killed - but morally that doesn't give a person a right to take another's life in cold blood. That kid hadn't attacked Hershel and Carl - he had chickened out and ran for his life.

I liked the episode. I do wonder where the govenor and the two thugs were going. I was thinking it would have been appropriate if the right hand thug had shot the governor after he gunned down the citizens of woodbery. Then he and the other goon could have had a little side story next season or what not.
post #4154 of 6194
Carl is Shane Jr... kills a dude just "cause"...

The way they set up that scene, though, it did make you think that kid was trying to be mischievous, but still Carl just popped him and didn't even blink. This sets up Carl a bit more like he became in the comics, though, so not out of character.

You do have to wonder about those two who left with the Governor... I guess they didn't want to get shot, but why would they trust him not to shoot them later? And they didn't go back to Woodbury, so wonder where they went?

Also curious that since the Governor didn't go back, wonder why Rick and company wouldn't want to move to Woodbury and have electricity and water.
post #4155 of 6194
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

Carl is Shane Jr... kills a dude just "cause"...

The way they set up that scene, though, it did make you think that kid was trying to be mischievous, but still Carl just popped him and didn't even blink. This sets up Carl a bit more like he became in the comics, though, so not out of character.

You do have to wonder about those two who left with the Governor... I guess they didn't want to get shot, but why would they trust him not to shoot them later? And they didn't go back to Woodbury, so wonder where they went?

Also curious that since the Governor didn't go back, wonder why Rick and company wouldn't want to move to Woodbury and have electricity and water.

Probably becasue they didnt trust the layout wink.gif lets face it they are "dug in" at the Prison and know the ins and outs of it...Too many variables at the town...

I dont think they trust him not to kill them later, but I think they are trying to stay alive as long as possible and didnt ahve much time to make a decision, if they said no then most likely either one or both would be dead.....Of course with all of the members of the party armed Im surprised no one brought up the fact that they all ran isntead of firing back and no one, the govoner nor Rick and his people picked up the weapons that were left.....
post #4156 of 6194
I thought the show was alright. The Governor really went way over the top bad but that seemed bound to happen. Michonne and Rick cleared the air and she definitely is accepted. Carl is a killer. Rick has changed and seen that being a dictator is not necessarily a good thing. The plan to fight the Woodbury crew was pretty good. Lure them in and scare the crap out of them. Worked better than they would have thought. The group added the rest of the souls from Woodbury. Carl apparently didn't like that. Interesting that while Rick is becoming more humane, Carl is going oppo. The Woodbury crew really shot the crap out of a bunch of walkers. Tyresse is with Rick's crew now. Annoying Andrea is dead and she had a proper send off as well as Milton. When the Governor was clearly ready to kill Milton (who seemed to be the one person who bridged the technology issues of pre and post zombie apocalypse.that he was going off the deep end because Milton was too important to dispatch. Little surprised that the Governor didn't have a face off with Rick but okay.
post #4157 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

The most anti-climatic ending to a season.

Why would they not have just taken over woodbury? And the Govs 2 henchmen, wow, the worst people ever. He's mass murdering innocent people, lets just watch, like a couple of morons. Then lets get in his truck and drive away with him... Everything will be A. OK.


Andrea's death was too little too late, she should have died much earlier in the season. Did anyone watching care? I doubt it. Milton would have been a better solo death in that scene, in the chair tortured to death.

+1 to all of this, very disappointing and nonsensical ending when the two morons just stood there and watched him waste all those compadres. And Andrea/Milton, who cares? The way they died was too drawn out for a finale ep, not that I really care what happened to them anyway. I'm not sure why the writers thought we would care about either one of them to be honest.

Agree with others - I was expecting to see Rick's crew take over Woodbury when the Gov hit the prison, the age-old warrior play. What we got was a non-satisfying mix of both with the Gov quickly turning tail and then getting away with mass murder courtesy of the two stooges.
post #4158 of 6194
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From Alan Sepinwall's review that also ponders that "huh?" factor:

And finally, Rick's decision to take in the Woodbury survivors — most of them old people and children who will be a drain on resources without providing much in the way of beefing up their defenses — brought an unequivocal end to the Ricktatorship (and seemed to deepen the Rick/Carl schism), but all I could think through that sequence was to wonder why they would choose the prison over Woodbury. One location has electricity, running water, the relative comforts of home, and a perimeter that, while it's been breached at times seems relatively sturdy, particularly against walkers. The other is a prison — and one that still has plenty of zombies milling about, a busted front fence and a gaping hole in the side. I'm sure an argument could be made for it, but there was no time in the episode given to anyone actually making it: just Rick and company escorting the bus onto the prison grounds and expecting the rest to accept that this is the way things ought to be.

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/season-finale-review-the-walking-dead-welcome-to-the-tombs-prison-break
post #4159 of 6194
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

Actually, it was "you kill or you die, or you die and you kill". wink.gif

Just when you think you have seen it all from the Governor......

Thanks for the correction - I knew it was close. wink.gif
post #4160 of 6194
I also fast forwarded through Andrea's scenes. Everything about that was stupid. She could have been talking while picking up the pliers. Then she frees herself yet still lets herself get bit by what would have been the weakest zombie she had encountered. Glad she's gone, it's a shame because the character in the comics is actually useful.

I'm also glad Mazzarro's (spelling?) is gone. The last two seasons were a mostly spinning the wheels with bad drama. I'm completely fine with the emphasis of the showing being on surviving and the human drama of it. I'd also be fine with them not following the source material, but they are semi-following it and not doing a good job at that.
post #4161 of 6194
I really wish the kid would of dropped the gun and then Carl shoot him. That would of been a real moral dilemma. As it play out, I would of done the same thing as Carl. Had I caught someone who just tried to invade my home and kill my family, I MIGHT of given him 2 seconds to drop his gun.
Me: Drop your gun!
Him: Here, I'm going to hand it to you barrel firs* BAM!

I get what the show is saying about Carl, but I don't think that scene depicted it well.


Also, it would of been awesome had Andrea been eaten by Milton while stuck to the chair.
It would of been tense, sad, not too draw out and the outcome would of been the same.
post #4162 of 6194
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

The ending was kind of a "huh?" moment. Governor and two henchman just drive off and everyone else decides to move to the prison that hardly has any supplies or facilities and gets invaded every week.

Yeah, I didn't care for that idea. Why would you bring everyone back to a nasty prison that is still overrun with walkers when you could live in a town that has some semblance of normalcy?

With the Governor's crew down to 3, Rick & Co. could have easily defended Woodbury against them.
post #4163 of 6194
A sad let down of a finale for this season .. lure the Woodburyites into the prison and then scare them .. ?? And then they all run away .. ?? And they are armed to the teeth to boot .. Did any of them actually get shot until the Gov mowed them down .. ?? Gov opens fire on a group of at least a dozen people and no one, I mean no one, has the time to shoot him .. ?? The Gov rides into the sunset so AMC can decide if they want to use him again at some point .. ?? Carl shoots a guy that may or may not pose a threat, Hershel believes it was cold blooded murder .. OK, let's see .. band of Cult followers have come to take you out, you find one with a shotgun in hand and demand they drop it, the dude starts walking towards you with the gun still in hand ..
post #4164 of 6194
The finale was a huge disappointment. All that build-up, and for what? Nothing. This is an example of poor writing at its best. The first episode of Season 4 had better be the Rick vs. Governor showdown we were waiting for all year, with the Gov finally getting what he deserves. They'll need a new "big bad" for next season, and they really need to move out of the prison (it makes no sense that they didn't move to Woodburry).

How is it that the first half of this season was so brilliant but the second half was so abysmal? Did they fire all the writers during the break? rolleyes.gif At least Dexter and Breaking Bad start up this Summer...
post #4165 of 6194
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Yeah, I didn't care for that idea. Why would you bring everyone back to a nasty prison that is still overrun with walkers when you could live in a town that has some semblance of normalcy?

With the Governor's crew down to 3, Rick & Co. could have easily defended Woodbury against them.

The next season had better open with that prison being completely cleared, all the holes sealed up, a nice farm in progress and full facilities or heads will roll!

Micchone will have to make sure they roll, because if the gang don't do the above you can guarantee zombies will break in again and people will run blindly into them to die.

That prison is like a leaky boat.
post #4166 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

How is it that the first half of this season was so brilliant but the second half was so abysmal? Did they fire all the writers during the break? rolleyes.gif At least Dexter and Breaking Bad start up this Summer...

If you want to believe the rumor mill (and based on what happened in the second half I'm more inclined to believe now):

One source says Mazzara's shortcomings in running the series during the most recent third season became "abundantly clear … especially for the second half of the season." This source says production was shut down "several times" because of a lack of material.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/walking-dead-why-glen-mazzara-410017
post #4167 of 6194
^ Well, that would explain a lot. If true I am glad Mazzara was let go.
post #4168 of 6194
Not being a hater... In fact I love the comics as well as the TV show

Unfortunately, this episode was pretty bad.

Why would everyone move to the prison? Even the Governor said he had no interest in living there. Yet you are going to move a bunch of elderly people and children to the place with minimal food, no power, probably no running water (except in the comics), and zombies still in the place...

Makes no sense to me. Would of been better to take over Woodbury.

Next season they could of transitioned Woodbury into the "Alexandra Safe Zone" community storyline. Rick could be the Sheriff of Woodbury

Seems like a miss to me, but hopefully the new show-runner figures things out for next season. Perhaps there will be a time-jump forward where the Prison is all fixed up and they are farming it with all the new labor they have.
post #4169 of 6194
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

A sad let down of a finale for this season .. lure the Woodburyites into the prison and then scare them .. ?? And then they all run away .. 

 

I'm pretty sure they stole this from multiple Scooby Doo episodes.   Gilligan's Island also may have had a similar episode.  

post #4170 of 6194
Well, they did just spend weeks agonizing over the decision to defend the prison, so I can understand not wanting to give it up. Plus, Woodbury takes a lot more people to secure the perimeter -- a 24x7 cadre of armed guards -- that Rick's group really can't afford to dedicate to that task.

The people left behind in town were very explicitly shown as virtually helpless; everyone who could carry a gun is now dead.. If Rick decided they simply didn't have the manpower to defend the town, there was a simple humanitarian decision to be made: rescue the people, or leave them to die.

Rick's return to conscience and humanity -- and the contrast with Carl's growing coldness -- was a central theme of the last few episodes. I get why rescuing the townsfolk was an important decision to make.

As for water and power, Woodbury must have been using generators, no? They can be moved to the prison (or didn't we see that the prison has its own generators, and they're working?). And if the town has water, why wouldn't the prison?

It's already been discussed that the prison has fenced-in land for agriculture, something the town lacks. And old folks are handy for child care, and kids are handy for farming and other chores. This will free up the core group for defense, hunting, walker control, exploration, etc.
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