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post #4171 of 6194
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

It's already been discussed that the prison has fenced-in land for agriculture, something the town lacks. And old folks are handy for child care, and kids are handy for farming and other chores. This will free up the core group for defense, hunting, walker control, exploration, etc.

And everything you pointed out that the prison has in it's favor, the town already has. And they have crops that are not on land infected by the dead above and below ground and more than likely have a well.

As for guards, Woodbury only needs one lookout in each direction. and they have more than enough people for that. Zombies don't get in because the barricades are tall and secure, so no need to constantly monitor the gang of dead living in the corridor next door. The prison no longer has towers either.

As for The Governor. The place they stay is irrelevant. He could kill them easily wherever they are. In the prison it's even easier. Driving up once a day and sniping someone or even firing a few shots would be enough to keep them all penned in and unable to respond. Siege tactics could starve them out easily since they have no food source.
post #4172 of 6194
I'm not going to go into any comic discussion as it's generally prohibited here .. but .. the finale was a huge departure from the source material so any comparison would be meaningless anyway .. the only common thread being some main story points, the prison, the Govenor ..

Leaving the Gov alive was likely something that was decided during 3rd season filming I would think .. thus, the set up for Season 4 would be a semi-happy group of survivors tilling the fields, going out on gathering missions, killing an occasional Walker, having some internal plot lines based on human interaction, fortifying the prison .. all the while knowing that the Gov is still out there and he is one crazy bastard that is unlikely to let them live in peace .. with a side plot of the Gov gathering up his new army for a fresh assualt ..

I believe the prison story arc will end at some point .. I don't see how it can be sustained if for no other reason than it would get boring ..

The other thing that makes me wonder is by staying in a fixed location, would the sheer number of Walkers that would get attracted to the area around the prison eventually reach a critical mass .. ??
post #4173 of 6194
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

And everything you pointed out that the prison has in it's favor, the town already has. And they have crops that are not on land infected by the dead above and below ground and more than likely have a well.

As for guards, Woodbury only needs one lookout in each direction. and they have more than enough people for that. Zombies don't get in because the barricades are tall and secure, so no need to constantly monitor the gang of dead living in the corridor next door. The prison no longer has towers either.

As for The Governor. The place they stay is irrelevant. He could kill them easily wherever they are. In the prison it's even easier. Driving up once a day and sniping someone or even firing a few shots would be enough to keep them all penned in and unable to respond. Siege tactics could starve them out easily since they have no food source.

I think one of the highlights of the show is the fact that no place is truly safe .. and, if you die, you become an immediate threat to the folks you were previously friends with ..

I suppose an underground salt mine with only one entrance would work, or a military installation such as Cheyenne Mountain ..

The towers still stand and could possibly be refurbished ..
post #4174 of 6194
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From Alan Sepinwall's review that also ponders that "huh?" factor:

And finally, Rick's decision to take in the Woodbury survivors — most of them old people and children who will be a drain on resources without providing much in the way of beefing up their defenses — brought an unequivocal end to the Ricktatorship (and seemed to deepen the Rick/Carl schism), but all I could think through that sequence was to wonder why they would choose the prison over Woodbury. One location has electricity, running water, the relative comforts of home, and a perimeter that, while it's been breached at times seems relatively sturdy, particularly against walkers. The other is a prison — and one that still has plenty of zombies milling about, a busted front fence and a gaping hole in the side. I'm sure an argument could be made for it, but there was no time in the episode given to anyone actually making it: just Rick and company escorting the bus onto the prison grounds and expecting the rest to accept that this is the way things ought to be.

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/season-finale-review-the-walking-dead-welcome-to-the-tombs-prison-break

Wow check out all the comments on that review, we're not the only ones (by far) that thought this last half of S3 took a dump, especially the finale.

This show is frustrating because it's got such good material to work with and most of it ends up totally wasted. Very inconsistent.
post #4175 of 6194
Good finale, fooled a lot of people when they bugged out of the prison. Never figured Glenn and his girl staying behind. Also thought Tyresse would save Andrea with his big sniper rifle. Read an article before the show about how it would be a high body count. Thought last night was going to be the Gov's finale also. Andrea took way too long to get out of her bondage.
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-walking-dead-finale-spoilers-welcome-to-the-tombs-to-have-27-deaths
post #4176 of 6194
Also, why do they keep allowing Daryl to use that stupid bike?

"Hey listen to me ride by! I want you to notice me."
post #4177 of 6194
I would bet just like on shows like Survivor where they are managing costs by using set locations for two seasons rather than just one, AMC said the prison gets two seasons.
Actors are another story.
post #4178 of 6194
I was reading the comments on that review, this one was hilarious to me.
Someone commented about not getting to see Andrea blow her brains out, and this was a response.
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All the time she's yapping to Milton instead of trying to get free as soon as she knew about the pliers. Another Andrea choice that hopefully we won't see the likes of again. The reason we didn't see her blow her brains out, is because there wasn't anything in there.
post #4179 of 6194
What a disappointed finale... I may be done with this series. Maybe by fall I may pick to see how it is. Maybe season four is the adventures of the Governor and his newly adopted son, Carl. Watch as they become serial killers of the remains of humanity.
post #4180 of 6194
I guess you all expect a lot more out of TV than I do. I thought it was pretty good. Not as good a season finale as last year’s but I enjoyed it.

Who is to say they are staying at the prison? Perhaps that are gathering everyone at the prison, collecting those they left behind there and may move to Woodberry? Wait until season 4.

As to Andrea’s dropping the pliers and so forth, it’s called suspense building, drama. If she just gets the pliers and cuts herself free, pops Milton, where does that go?

How about we beat you up, cuff you to a chair and put a crackhead in the room with you and give you 10 minutes to cut yourself free. I’m sure you all would be very calm and manage it in 60 seconds.
post #4181 of 6194
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As to Andrea’s dropping the pliers and so forth, it’s called suspense building, drama. If she just gets the pliers and cuts herself free, pops Milton, where does that go?

How about we beat you up, cuff you to a chair and put a crackhead in the room with you and give you 10 minutes to cut yourself free. I’m sure you all would be very calm and manage it in 60 seconds.

Having it be hard to accomplish due to nerves and fatigue is one thing. Having the pliers in your hand and giving a speech, which is what she did, instead of trying to free yourself are two totally different things though.
post #4182 of 6194
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Originally Posted by design1stcode2nd View Post

As to Andrea’s dropping the pliers and so forth, it’s called suspense building, drama. If she just gets the pliers and cuts herself free, pops Milton, where does that go?

How about we beat you up, cuff you to a chair and put a crackhead in the room with you and give you 10 minutes to cut yourself free. I’m sure you all would be very calm and manage it in 60 seconds.

We're not talking about real life, we're talking about a fantasy show. Anyhow, they wasted an entire episode having Andrea try to run to the prison only to be hauled back at the last minute. Now most of the finale is Andrea wasting valuable time while Milton is holding on as long as he can. Apparently, they wanted to kill Andrea off but to also kill off about 50 minutes of program time getting it done. Don't get me wrong, she deserved the "noble" death in the end and the waiting outside the metal room was well done. It was all the foreplay I could have done without.
post #4183 of 6194
Carl is the only thing they handled well this season, especially compared to the comics. He definitely handled the situation right. The other kid didn't drop his gun, he was "handing" it to him and eliminating space to make a move. Carl telling off Rick was great too.
post #4184 of 6194
Carl is a bad seed who is quckly turning into a psychopathic killer. He started off by simply disobeying and back talking his parents. Then he goes off on his own (against his parents' orders) and accidentally brings back a walker that ends up killing a friend. Now he kills at will with no remorse. It scared the hell out of Herschel so much that he tried to warn Rick. No telling how many people he'll kill next season. But hey, at least he's already in prison.

But that's just my opinion. smile.gif
post #4185 of 6194
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Originally Posted by tomhunter8 View Post

Carl is a bad seed who is quckly turning into a psychopathic killer. He started off by simply disobeying and back talking his parents. Then he goes off on his own (against his parents' orders) and accidentally brings back a walker that ends up killing a friend. Now he kills at will with no remorse. It scared the hell out of Herschel so much that he tried to warn Rick. No telling how many people he'll kill next season. But hey, at least he's already in prison.

But that's just my opinion. smile.gif

On the flipside, Carl is doing what he needs to do .. and he knows Rick is not as effective a leader as he could be .. if we consider the circumstances leading up to where Carl is now, he's not really a psycho, at least IMO .. had he not shot the dude during the finale, he and Hershel could just as likely been dead .. the guy was the enemy
post #4186 of 6194
It's time for Carl to get laid! That will soften him up!
post #4187 of 6194
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Originally Posted by tomhunter8 View Post

Carl is a bad seed who is quckly turning into a psychopathic killer. He started off by simply disobeying and back talking his parents. Then he goes off on his own (against his parents' orders) and accidentally brings back a walker that ends up killing a friend. Now he kills at will with no remorse. It scared the hell out of Herschel so much that he tried to warn Rick. No telling how many people he'll kill next season. But hey, at least he's already in prison.

But that's just my opinion. smile.gif
He's not a "psycho", just very, very hardened by all he's been through. If he starts killing some of the innocent people that Rick brought in, then you can call him a psycho.
post #4188 of 6194
I think Carl was afraid during the confrontation with the other kid, but didn't want to admit it to the others. You could see his hand shaking holding the pistol, so there is a good chance he fired the gun by accident. From what Hershel saw, and Carl's refusal to admit he fired by accident, makes him look like a cold-blooded killer. It may be the path he is headed on, but I don't think he is there yet.
post #4189 of 6194
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Originally Posted by MJConnel View Post

I think Carl was afraid during the confrontation with the other kid, but didn't want to admit it to the others. You could see his hand shaking holding the pistol, so there is a good chance he fired the gun by accident. From what Hershel saw, and Carl's refusal to admit he fired by accident, makes him look like a cold-blooded killer. It may be the path he is headed on, but I don't think he is there yet.
I think you're right. Carl was very afraid of making a mistake that would result in one or more of the group getting killed.
post #4190 of 6194
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Originally Posted by design1stcode2nd View Post

Who is to say they are staying at the prison? Perhaps that are gathering everyone at the prison, collecting those they left behind there and may move to Woodberry? Wait until season 4.
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There already was an article in which the producers or someone like that mentioned that the prison would also be in season 4 so i doubt they would mention it if its only for a short time. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
post #4191 of 6194
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

I think you're right. Carl was very afraid of making a mistake that would result in one or more of the group getting killed.

Exactly ..
post #4192 of 6194
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

He's not a "psycho", just very, very hardened by all he's been through. If he starts killing some of the innocent people that Rick brought in, then you can call him a psycho.

My point as well .. folks need to consider Carl's backstory .. what I see is a kid that can no longer be a kid and wants to do what is needed to protect the "Family" .. and yes, he's made some tough, tough choices but he is still a kid forced to be a man without the years of additional experience that a man would have ..

And, as Kirkman has said .. Walking Dead is the story of Rick and Carl ..
post #4193 of 6194
one is completely destroyed and the other is badly damaged- if they were to refurbish it where would they get concrete, steel, large ladders or something to get them up there, and even if they did find that in the prison it would be too much man power anyway.
post #4194 of 6194
i totally agree about andrea. it took her waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long to get out of her bondage. Remember her taking off her boots to pick up the pleirs? couldn't she have done that when she was stretching back to get them in the beginning?!?!?! she pissed me off so much i cheered when she revealed the wound.
post #4195 of 6194
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Originally Posted by drhill View Post

He definitely handled the situation right. The other kid didn't drop his gun, he was "handing" it to him and eliminating space to make a move.
I agree. Based on what they showed the "kid" was not complying with Hershel and Carl's demands to drop the gun. Carl dispatched him before he was able to do whatever he was intending.
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Last night, AMC’s season three finale of “The Walking Dead” premiered at 9 pm, delivering its largest audience ever with 12.4 million viewers and 8.1 million adults 18-49, making the series the number one program for the night and the week for total viewers and in the demo. The series’ season average is also number one for the broadcast season for adults 18-49 for all of television, outdelivering everything including “The Big Bang Theory,” “The Voice,” “Game of Thrones,” “Modern Family,” and almost doubling “The Bible.

Sunday's highly anticipated Game of Thrones premiere garnered a record 4.4 million Total Viewers.

-Press Release
Edited by Shedrock - 4/1/13 at 4:50pm
post #4197 of 6194
Something else no one has mentioned. Carl's hand was shaking when he had it pointed at the kid. The kid was not complying with several demands to drop the gun and said he was going to hand it over. Carl may have overreacted but it wasn't as cut and dried as Herschel made it sound.

I had to look up to see who Andrew was whom Carl claimed was responsible for his mother's death. Andrew was one of the five prisoners that were hold up in the cafeteria. Rick chased him after Rick killed the leader (Tomas) and then locked him out. Andrew came back looking for revenge and created the chaos that led to Lori's situation when she had to give birth in a terrible situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_%28season_3%29

See the recap of Episodes season 3, eps 21 and 23.
post #4198 of 6194
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I think one of the highlights of the show is the fact that no place is truly safe .. and, if you die, you become an immediate threat to the folks you were previously friends with ..

I suppose an underground salt mine with only one entrance would work, or a military installation such as Cheyenne Mountain ..
Another possibility discussed at length on discussion boards is an aircraft carrier. The problem with that idea is you'd need to be trained to run the thing.
post #4199 of 6194
A tree house village like in the movie robin hood prince of thieves would work about as well as anything could be made to work.
post #4200 of 6194
I hated the season finale, so much so, I have been unable to read most of the posts relating to the show and, for the first time this season, deleted Walking Dead without watching it.

There were several cringeworthy moments in the episode. I thought the scene in which the Gov's bearded henchman let himself get shot and killed by the Gov, with a handgun yet, although the henchman had the drop on the Gov and was armed with an automatic weapon was a shark jumper for the ages.

Next when Andrea was playing footsie with the pliers, in a desperate attempt to get free of the Gov's restraints before Milton could turn and kill her, I bet myself that she would drop the pliers at least once. Sure enough.

Finally, the Gov who was the go to bad guy this season killed all his helpers, instead of killing just one or two and using that to keep the rest of them in line. After that the Gov just disappeared. Say what?

I guess I will be back for at least the beginning of Season 4 but I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect.
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