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post #4261 of 6194
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

She could of put her feet up and waited and kicked Milton across the room, the zombie would have no idea what she was doing. Plus we never see Milton get that close to her to bite her as you said.

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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post


I think that was mentioned before by someone. biggrin.gif

Yep, and in another earlier post, called highly unlikely by someone else.smile.gif
post #4262 of 6194
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

The jury is out for me. He did write the Lennie James episode which I really enjoyed, Merle's demise last week and his version of the finale with Andrea's fate being left a mystery until the door opens sounds better than just a full-on Milton Gets The Munchies scene that Mazzara wrote. Plus Mazzara also wrote Friday the 13th: Andrea vs. The Governor.

Hard to say who is responsible for Andrea and her time wasting, The Gov just driving off to nowhere in particular or Rick and his seniors tour bus decision.

I agree that the Clear episode, guest starring Lennie James as the now crazy Morgan Jones, was terrific. In fact, I thought it was the best written episode of the season. I was so poisoned by the season finale, though, especially the parts involving Andrea, that I don't know what to thick about the show's future.
post #4263 of 6194
If we are being remotely realistic those pliers would never have cut through a handcuff chain anyway. Some wire would have been more believable.
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Originally Posted by design1stcode2nd View Post

If we are being remotely realistic those pliers would never have cut through a handcuff chain anyway. Some wire would have been more believable.

I thought they were handcuffs, but people were talking as if she should have been able to get out in a few seconds once the pliers were in her hands. So then i wasn't sure.
post #4265 of 6194
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I thought they were handcuffs, but people were talking as if she should have been able to get out in a few seconds once the pliers were in her hands. So then i wasn't sure.

I wasn't sure of this either. I don't know if they were handcuffs and she just got them off of the chair or some other restraint. She had one hand free and her body free so she could have kicked Milton back.
One thing not mentioned is that the Governor could well have tortured Andrea (and she looked a bit worse for the wear) which would have impaired her mental and physical abilities.
post #4266 of 6194
where can they possibly go from here now? just sit around and wait to get attacked by more humans/walkers or run out of food?

do you think season 4 picks up directly where they left off or will they fast forward 7 months just like last year?
post #4267 of 6194
Good thing the Milton Zombie had enough common sense to also pull aside Adnrea's two shirts and THEN bite down on her shoulder because they clearly showed at the end when Rick came that she looked normal until they pulled back her double layer to reveal the bite underneath the materail. Smart thinking Zombie Milton, Andrea was probably just busy starring at him and wondering what he was doing to notice.
post #4268 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Se7enPtOne View Post

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do you think season 4 picks up directly where they left off or will they fast forward 7 months just like last year?

I would guess they jump forward because Carl and the baby will age a bit in between seasons.
Of course they could just get a different baby actor and no one would notice, but Carl not so much.
post #4269 of 6194
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Originally Posted by jakestir View Post

I would guess they jump forward because Carl and the baby will age a bit in between seasons.
Of course they could just get a different baby actor and no one would notice, but Carl not so much.
Don't know how true it is but I read somewhere that they were thinking of bringing in a new actor to play Carl, maybe to avoid him aging in real time?
post #4270 of 6194
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

Good thing the Milton Zombie had enough common sense to also pull aside Adnrea's two shirts and THEN bite down on her shoulder because they clearly showed at the end when Rick came that she looked normal until they pulled back her double layer to reveal the bite underneath the materail. Smart thinking Zombie Milton, Andrea was probably just busy starring at him and wondering what he was doing to notice.

True indeed! LIke so much else in The Walking Dead, the zombie Milton bites Andrea scene can't stand much analysis. As exciting and, often, well done as The Walking Dead is, it is still dumber than a box of rocks. Along with the equally intellectually elevated Nikita, The Walking Dead is my Number One guilty pleasure these days.smile.gif
post #4271 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Stoney Jackson View Post

Don't know how true it is but I read somewhere that they were thinking of bringing in a new actor to play Carl, maybe to avoid him aging in real time?

Really? I would never have thought that. I have only heard praise for Chandler. I don't think they would switch him for another actor.
post #4272 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Stoney Jackson View Post

Don't know how true it is but I read somewhere that they were thinking of bringing in a new actor to play Carl, maybe to avoid him aging in real time?

Based on the pace of the show so far, I don't think Carl aging too fast is a huge concern for the producers .. I mean, these days, we have 25 year olds playing High School students in other shows ..
post #4273 of 6194
'The Walking Dead': Three cast members upped to series regulars
by Sandra Gonzalez
The Walking Dead has promoted three actors for its entirely-too-far-away season 4.

EW confirms that Emily Kinney, Chad Coleman, and Sonequa Martin-Green (that’s Beth, Tyreese and Sasha, to you and I) have been upped to series regulars for next season. They join David Morrissey (the Governor) at the recently-promoted table.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/04/03/the-walking-dead-three-cast-members-upped-to-series-regulars/?hpt=hp_t5
post #4274 of 6194
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

Really? I would never have thought that. I have only heard praise for Chandler. I don't think they would switch him for another actor.

I think Chandler Riggs has been really good as Carl too. I see, though, why the showrunners might consider a change. The kid is 13 years old and will turn 14 in June. Puberty changes most boys, a lot. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
post #4275 of 6194
I only got to watch the finale last night, after being on the road for a few days. Frankly, reading the last few pages of this bitchfest was much worse than anything I watched in the finale. The finale was not perfect, but I actually enjoyed the idea of taking the story lines in unanticipated directions. I liked the final fall from any remaining grace by the Governor, and thought his butchering of his own citizens was the perfect way to demonstrate his utter depravity, as well as fully link him to the personality of the Governor as depicted in the books.

I agree with the creative choice made to reshoot the scenes between Milton and Andrea; I particularly liked Dallas Roberts' (Milton) acting with the governor in the lead up to his stabbing - he was very convincing in this section of the scene, demonstrating bravery in confronting the governor with his own acts (how would your daughter feel?) and then alternately showing his fear in the situation. I liked the lines they gave to Andrea, because they at least finally gave us insight into the reason for her actions ("I didn't want anyone to die"), and she admitted her mistakes. It was a sad coda for her character, who had to watch her own sister die after being bitten - recall her denial of the situation at the time.The final scene with Rick, Michonne, and Daryl was effective, allowing her the chance to tell Daryl that "no one can make it alone" and Daryl to reply ("I never could"), which is an important insight into his character going forward from Merle's death. Getting to see Michonne demonstrate true sorrow for the impending death of her friend was powerful. Finally, the very act of the characters coming back to Woodbury to find Andrea demonstrates a morality that Tyreese will remember and respect.

I was hoping that Lenny James would figure into the finale, so was disappointed that it didn't happen. I LOVE that Rick brought the weak and afflicted back to the prison - a choice that reveals that Rick's moral compass is returning, and an indication that he intends to teach Carl lessons that rise above the squalor of their present world. The decision to stay at the prison is a decision rooted in the desire to fight for life, versus continuing to run. Based on last week's episode, that decision was made by the group, not just Rick. It will be interesting to see what the writers decide to do next season in terms of how well that decision plays out - whether the group can flourish at the prison, or whether the group will struggle and regret their choice.

The ambivalence of the finale is pitch perfect, because it's a reflection of the world of The Walking Dead - nothing ever seems to work out exactly right regardless of intentions. Witness Carl's conversation with Rick: for every decision that Rick had made (for what he considered to be good and honorable reasons), Carl pointed out that death resulted from those decisions. I would call that the perfect representation of the theme of this show.
post #4276 of 6194
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Originally Posted by jakestir View Post

I would guess they jump forward because Carl and the baby will age a bit in between seasons.
Of course they could just get a different baby actor and no one would notice, but Carl not so much.

Carl is probably OK this time, & the actual baby that was filmed is irrelevant, they can get any baby, based on however many months they need it to be...
post #4277 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

I only got to watch the finale last night, after being on the road for a few days. Frankly, reading the last few pages of this bitchfest was much worse than anything I watched in the finale. The finale was not perfect, but I actually enjoyed the idea of taking the story lines in unanticipated directions. I liked the final fall from any remaining grace by the Governor, and thought his butchering of his own citizens was the perfect way to demonstrate his utter depravity, as well as fully link him to the personality of the Governor as depicted in the books.

I agree with the creative choice made to reshoot the scenes between Milton and Andrea; I particularly liked Dallas Roberts' (Milton) acting with the governor in the lead up to his stabbing - he was very convincing in this section of the scene, demonstrating bravery in confronting the governor with his own acts (how would your daughter feel?) and then alternately showing his fear in the situation. I liked the lines they gave to Andrea, because they at least finally gave us insight into the reason for her actions ("I didn't want anyone to die"), and she admitted her mistakes. It was a sad coda for her character, who had to watch her own sister die after being bitten - recall her denial of the situation at the time.The final scene with Rick, Michonne, and Daryl was effective, allowing her the chance to tell Daryl that "no one can make it alone" and Daryl to reply ("I never could"), which is an important insight into his character going forward from Merle's death. Getting to see Michonne demonstrate true sorrow for the impending death of her friend was powerful. Finally, the very act of the characters coming back to Woodbury to find Andrea demonstrates a morality that Tyreese will remember and respect.

I was hoping that Lenny James would figure into the finale, so was disappointed that it didn't happen. I LOVE that Rick brought the weak and afflicted back to the prison - a choice that reveals that Rick's moral compass is returning, and an indication that he intends to teach Carl lessons that rise above the squalor of their present world. The decision to stay at the prison is a decision rooted in the desire to fight for life, versus continuing to run. Based on last week's episode, that decision was made by the group, not just Rick. It will be interesting to see what the writers decide to do next season in terms of how well that decision plays out - whether the group can flourish at the prison, or whether the group will struggle and regret their choice.

The ambivalence of the finale is pitch perfect, because it's a reflection of the world of The Walking Dead - nothing ever seems to work out exactly right regardless of intentions. Witness Carl's conversation with Rick: for every decision that Rick had made (for what he considered to be good and honorable reasons), Carl pointed out that death resulted from those decisions. I would call that the perfect representation of the theme of this show.

well said. Totally agree.
post #4278 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

I only got to watch the finale last night, after being on the road for a few days. Frankly, reading the last few pages of this bitchfest was much worse than anything I watched in the finale. The finale was not perfect, but I actually enjoyed the idea of taking the story lines in unanticipated directions. I liked the final fall from any remaining grace by the Governor, and thought his butchering of his own citizens was the perfect way to demonstrate his utter depravity, as well as fully link him to the personality of the Governor as depicted in the books.

I agree with the creative choice made to reshoot the scenes between Milton and Andrea; I particularly liked Dallas Roberts' (Milton) acting with the governor in the lead up to his stabbing - he was very convincing in this section of the scene, demonstrating bravery in confronting the governor with his own acts (how would your daughter feel?) and then alternately showing his fear in the situation. I liked the lines they gave to Andrea, because they at least finally gave us insight into the reason for her actions ("I didn't want anyone to die"), and she admitted her mistakes. It was a sad coda for her character, who had to watch her own sister die after being bitten - recall her denial of the situation at the time.The final scene with Rick, Michonne, and Daryl was effective, allowing her the chance to tell Daryl that "no one can make it alone" and Daryl to reply ("I never could"), which is an important insight into his character going forward from Merle's death. Getting to see Michonne demonstrate true sorrow for the impending death of her friend was powerful. Finally, the very act of the characters coming back to Woodbury to find Andrea demonstrates a morality that Tyreese will remember and respect.

I was hoping that Lenny James would figure into the finale, so was disappointed that it didn't happen. I LOVE that Rick brought the weak and afflicted back to the prison - a choice that reveals that Rick's moral compass is returning, and an indication that he intends to teach Carl lessons that rise above the squalor of their present world. The decision to stay at the prison is a decision rooted in the desire to fight for life, versus continuing to run. Based on last week's episode, that decision was made by the group, not just Rick. It will be interesting to see what the writers decide to do next season in terms of how well that decision plays out - whether the group can flourish at the prison, or whether the group will struggle and regret their choice.

The ambivalence of the finale is pitch perfect, because it's a reflection of the world of The Walking Dead - nothing ever seems to work out exactly right regardless of intentions. Witness Carl's conversation with Rick: for every decision that Rick had made (for what he considered to be good and honorable reasons), Carl pointed out that death resulted from those decisions. I would call that the perfect representation of the theme of this show.

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well said. Totally agree.

I agree. Since my initial negative reaction to the season finale, I have moderated my position significantly, as noted in later posts. Now, I am enthusiastic for next season, something I certainly wouldn't have said immediately after watching the finale. The show is dumb but a lot of stuff happens, including the death of innumerable zombies, lots of shooting, and the occasional explosion. So what's not to like? Loud and dumb are good!smile.gif
post #4279 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

"SNIP"I agree with the creative choice made to reshoot the scenes between Milton and Andrea; I particularly liked Dallas Roberts' (Milton) acting with the governor in the lead up to his stabbing - he was very convincing in this section of the scene, demonstrating bravery in confronting the governor with his own acts (how would your daughter feel?) and then alternately showing his fear in the situation. I liked the lines they gave to Andrea, because they at least finally gave us insight into the reason for her actions ("I didn't want anyone to die"), and she admitted her mistakes. It was a sad coda for her character, who had to watch her own sister die after being bitten - recall her denial of the situation at the time.The final scene with Rick, Michonne, and Daryl was effective, allowing her the chance to tell Daryl that "no one can make it alone" and Daryl to reply ("I never could"), which is an important insight into his character going forward from Merle's death. Getting to see Michonne demonstrate true sorrow for the impending death of her friend was powerful. Finally, the very act of the characters coming back to Woodbury to find Andrea demonstrates a morality that Tyreese will remember and respect.

You made me remember something about that scene when Andrea bitten washed down with regret, as she knew the end was near. Michonne said to her, not to worry that she wont leave her side. Andrea looked full of remorse, and shame for staying behind Woodbury, and not trusting her friend who the last time they spoke was in bad terms at the prison. Pretty powerful I must say.

DJoel
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I would love to see the baby turn into a zombie! A crawling biting zombie!!!!
post #4281 of 6194
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Originally Posted by yankeeman View Post

I would love to see the baby turn into a zombie! A crawling biting zombie!!!!

You know When Daryl and Maggie when out to look for baby formula at the daycare, I was expecting a baby/toddler bitter:eek: But glad it didn't come to that.

Djoel
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by yankeeman View Post

I would love to see the baby turn into a zombie! A crawling biting zombie!!!!

Dawn of the Dead remake. Hilarious.


post #4283 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

You made me remember something about that scene when Andrea bitten washed down with regret, as she knew the end was near. Michonne said to her, not to worry that she wont leave her side. Andrea looked full of remorse, and shame for staying behind Woodbury, and not trusting her friend who the last time they spoke was in bad terms at the prison. Pretty powerful I must say.

The emotion punctuated by the sound of a gunshot ...

closely followed by a chorus of cheering around the country. biggrin.gif
post #4284 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

I only got to watch the finale last night...

Well stated Joseph, and my thoughts as well. I liked the final episode.

My first thought when Rick brought the bus back from Woodbury was what he was teaching Carl with that decision. Rick walked up to Carl and firmly stated "We're taking these people in". After the little speech that Carl gave to his dad previously, I thought this was perfect. Rick told him simply that this is what we are going to do. He walked off immediately as if to point out that there is no room for discussion on this matter. The bigger message I thought was for Carl to realize that we (the group) are doing this because it's the right thing to do, and we will do the right thing.

Cary
post #4285 of 6194
What if the Governor and his 2 men meet up with the group Randall came from? The group Randall described definitely did not match the roster of Woodbury
post #4286 of 6194
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Originally Posted by dougotte View Post

The one important bit of trivia that I'm obsessed about, and which no one else has mentioned is: what happened to Martinez' hat? He used to always wear a trucker's cap. In the last 2-3 episodes, he's bare-headed. Did he lose it, or did he send it for dry cleaning?

He had it when they were attacking the prison and he was shooting at Rick, but then in the next episode (I Ain't a Judas), when he is on the street assembling "soldiers", he doesn't have it on. Must have lost it while they were fleeing the prison. smile.gif
post #4287 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

You made me remember something about that scene when Andrea bitten washed down with regret, as she knew the end was near. Michonne said to her, not to worry that she wont leave her side. Andrea looked full of remorse, and shame for staying behind Woodbury, and not trusting her friend who the last time they spoke was in bad terms at the prison. Pretty powerful I must say.

DJoel

I felt it eas even more powerful when they pulled back and showed the other side of the door with Rick and Daryl outside the door, their pose, body language, etc. spoke volumes.
post #4288 of 6194
Yup, this pretty much sums up Andrea on The Walking Dead:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/andrea-from-the-walking-dead-summed-up-in-pictures
post #4289 of 6194
To the guy who reffered to our reviews as "bitchfest"..i guess you didnt watch talking dead or read nicoterro/mazarra/kirkman interviews for weeks leading up to the finale about how the final showdown between rick and the governor was going to be epic and bloody and on a massive scale and how the end would be jaw dropping...we even had AMC and the walking dead twitter account tease that there would be 27 on screen human deaths...which ended up being 99% of people who never spoke a word in the show..

we got MAYBE 5 minutes of "battle" which ended in no one from the prison killing a woodbury member and the people of woodbury fleeing with no damage done.

and again killing off a character everyone hates is not shocking..its more of a "finally" feeling.

the ONLY important aspect of the episode is what Carl did with the runaway kid in the woods.
post #4290 of 6194
The Governor = The Joker
You never know how he is going to react, he is very willing to sacrifice coworkers and he is always lurking out there somewhere!
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