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post #4531 of 6194
I always thought they intentionally didn't use the word zombie because if they did, it would be like the characters knew what zombies were before the outbreak happened. In this reality, nobody knows what a zombie is, so they don't know to kill the brain, and don't know the basic zombie survival at the start of the outbreak. If they know about zombie's from tv/literature already, then that takes away a lot of the suspense of learning and just kind of makes the whole premise kind of stupid.
post #4532 of 6194
^This.

If, in your show, the characters are already familiar with "zombie lore" from popular fiction -- and it all turns out to be true -- then you are acknowledging *in the script* that they are living in a world copied from other fiction. *

That is (a) too meta for this show, (b) a comedy premise, not drama, and (c) restictive in unnecessary ways.

If you want to tell an original story (vs create an original premise, which is different), the characters need to learn things about their world only from what's introduced in the context of the story.

*Or you go through the trope of some character who is familiar with voodoo relating how Baron Samedi used to raise the dead and create... which would have been really insulting to the audience, IMO.
post #4533 of 6194
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Originally Posted by RemoWilliams84 View Post

I always thought they intentionally didn't use the word zombie because if they did, it would be like the characters knew what zombies were before the outbreak happened. In this reality, nobody knows what a zombie is, so they don't know to kill the brain, and don't know the basic zombie survival at the start of the outbreak. If they know about zombie's from tv/literature already, then that takes away a lot of the suspense of learning and just kind of makes the whole premise kind of stupid.

I dunno. If I was trapped by a hoard of undead I don't think I would want to base my survival on what I had seen in a low budget movie.smile.gif That's basically the point-the series wants the viewer to accept this is really happening and not just another entry in the zombie genre. To do this it has to separate itself from what came before and that is probably why they don't use the word: they don't want to be thought of as just another zombie movie. Besides, zombie had a very different meaning in film before Romero. It was connected to a Hollywood version of voodoo and had more to do with being a mindless slave under a voodoo spell than a dead person who ate the living. Movies like I Walked with a Zombie have little if anything in common with how we think about zombies now, post Romero. He redefined the word.
post #4534 of 6194
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I dunno. If I was trapped by a hoard of undead I don't think I would want to base my survival on what I had seen in a low budget movie.smile.gif That's basically the point-the series wants the viewer to accept this is really happening and not just another entry in the zombie genre. To do this it has to separate itself from what came before and that is probably why they don't use the word: they don't want to be thought of as just another zombie movie. Besides, zombie had a very different meaning in film before Romero. It was connected to a Hollywood version of voodoo and had more to do with being a mindless slave under a voodoo spell than a dead person who ate the living. Movies like I Walked with a Zombie have little if anything in common with how we think about zombies now, post Romero. He redefined the word.

Well said .. Kirkman himself has stated that this is his own created World ..
post #4535 of 6194
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I dunno. If I was trapped by a hoard of undead I don't think I would want to base my survival on what I had seen in a low budget movie.smile.gif That's basically the point-the series wants the viewer to accept this is really happening and not just another entry in the zombie genre. To do this it has to separate itself from what came before and that is probably why they don't use the word: they don't want to be thought of as just another zombie movie. Besides, zombie had a very different meaning in film before Romero. It was connected to a Hollywood version of voodoo and had more to do with being a mindless slave under a voodoo spell than a dead person who ate the living. Movies like I Walked with a Zombie have little if anything in common with how we think about zombies now, post Romero. He redefined the word.

Well then have I got a movie for you....World War Z. It blows (pun) all the low budget stuff away. If you're really going to survive you need to be a member of a powerful organization that lets you get on choppers to escape. biggrin.gif
post #4536 of 6194
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Well then have I got a movie for you....World War Z. It blows (pun) all the low budget stuff away. If you're really going to survive you need to be a member of a powerful organization that lets you get on choppers to escape. biggrin.gif

I gotta admit it did take up the whole concept several notches production wise ..
post #4537 of 6194
But if The Walking Dead doesn't want to be a just another zombie adaption, then why stick to all of the popular zombie lore, like killing the brain is the only way to kill them? Why not come up with a unique twist? I love the series, but to me it IS just another typical zombie adaption. It just happens to be a very well done adaption.

One minor thing that bugs me is lack of odor recognition. Sure you may see someone with a hanky over their mouth and nose once in a while but I'd think the stench of the rotting corpse zombies would be so overpowering that it would be a major component of the living's daily life. The people walk along the fence talking and cajoling as they kill zombies only a foot or two away. Come on, that has got to STINK to high heaven!

I'd also think it would be tough for a zombie to sneak up on someone because you'd smell them coming a mile away. smile.gif
post #4538 of 6194
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I gotta admit it did take up the whole concept several notches production wise ..

It's amazing what you can do with a hundred million dollar budget and a literal army of consultants, visual effects artists, and crew, isn't it? wink.gif
post #4539 of 6194
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But if The Walking Dead doesn't want to be a just another zombie adaption, then why stick to all of the popular zombie lore, like killing the brain is the only way to kill them? Why not come up with a unique twist?

Because, as its creators have said many, many, times: "it's not about the zombies."

From the point of view of the characters, this is all new and unprecedented. If there was ever a zombie movie, it was a flop and nobody ever made another one, and the word isn't in common use. There might well be another group of survivors somewhere that includes a professor of comparative religion who told the story of voodoo and the Baron, and that group *does* call walkers "zombies."

From the POV of the audience, there is not supposed to be any mystery about the walkers. We are supposed to completely understand them right from the beginning, so that we can fully appreciate the nature of the stress their existence puts on the characters. It's like we're watching a movie about desert aboriginals suddenly caught in a blizzard. We know what to expect from a blizzard. They don't. Neither of us understands why there is a sudden blizzard in a desert.
post #4540 of 6194
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One minor thing that bugs me is lack of odor recognition. Sure you may see someone with a hanky over their mouth and nose once in a while but I'd think the stench of the rotting corpse zombies would be so overpowering that it would be a major component of the living's daily life. The people walk along the fence talking and cajoling as they kill zombies only a foot or two away. Come on, that has got to STINK to high heaven!

Constant exposure breeds indifference .. tongue.gif
post #4541 of 6194
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Originally Posted by tomhunter8 View Post

But if The Walking Dead doesn't want to be a just another zombie adaption, then why stick to all of the popular zombie lore, like killing the brain is the only way to kill them? Why not come up with a unique twist? I love the series, but to me it IS just another typical zombie adaption. It just happens to be a very well done adaption.

One minor thing that bugs me is lack of odor recognition. Sure you may see someone with a hanky over their mouth and nose once in a while but I'd think the stench of the rotting corpse zombies would be so overpowering that it would be a major component of the living's daily life. The people walk along the fence talking and cajoling as they kill zombies only a foot or two away. Come on, that has got to STINK to high heaven!

I'd also think it would be tough for a zombie to sneak up on someone because you'd smell them coming a mile away. smile.gif

I wouldn't have minded a trope where any character suddenly lifts his head, sniffs, and yells "walkers!"

Personally, I just write it off to desensitization. In a world overrun by death and decay, you just stop noticing it. Even if that explanation is full of holes, it's consistent with the tone and text of the show.
post #4542 of 6194
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Constant exposure breeds indifference .. tongue.gif

As usual, it took me two paragraphs to say what you expressed better in four words. wink.gif
post #4543 of 6194
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

I wouldn't have minded a trope where any character suddenly lifts his head, sniffs, and yells "walkers!"

Personally, I just write it off to desensitization. In a world overrun by death and decay, you just stop noticing it. Even if that explanation is full of holes, it's consistent with the tone and text of the show.
Why do you think sewer workers can do what they do? smile.gif
post #4544 of 6194
Also taxidermy. There was a dirty jobs episode about both of those professions.
post #4545 of 6194
Can you imagine working in a slaughterhouse? That's gotta be one of the worst jobs I can think of.
post #4546 of 6194
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Can you imagine working in a slaughterhouse? That's gotta be one of the worst jobs I can think of.

The rendering plant is 100% worse..... Dead stuff laying around, stinking to high heaven!
post #4547 of 6194
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The rendering plant is 100% worse..... Dead stuff laying around, stinking to high heaven!

Don't I know it, I pass one on the way to work and when it has rained and the wind is right, the smell will just about gag you. On another stretch of road on the way home this past summer I caught a whiff of something that seemed like it had crawled off and died and got worse as the weeks went by. A co-worker and I were speculating as to what had died off in the woods, come to find out that one of the rendering plants trucks had overturned there. It even killed off vegetation around the area.
post #4548 of 6194
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Don't I know it, I pass one on the way to work and when it has rained and the wind is right, the smell will just about gag you. On another stretch of road on the way home this past summer I caught a whiff of something that seemed like it had crawled off and died and got worse as the weeks went by. A co-worker and I were speculating as to what had died off in the woods, come to find out that one of the rendering plants trucks had overturned there. It even killed off vegetation around the area.

See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Even after a few months you'd think the living would still be affected by the stench of the dying dead. Especially when they kill them up close. But they don't portray it on the show.
post #4549 of 6194
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Originally Posted by tomhunter8 View Post

See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Even after a few months you'd think the living would still be affected by the stench of the dying dead. Especially when they kill them up close. But they don't portray it on the show.

As quibbles go, I can deal with the lack of stench (maybe the fences are all downwind!). What bothers me is that all those double-tapped walkers aren't piling up on the other side of the fence. Eventually, you'd think there would be enough twice-dead zombies there for the new ones to climb up on and, eventually, over the fence. A la "World War Z" at the Jerusalem wall. Only slower.
post #4550 of 6194
With all the dead bodies along the outside of the fence and the increase in walkers loitering about, how/when do they clear the bodies and what do they do with them?
post #4551 of 6194
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As quibbles go, I can deal with the lack of stench (maybe the fences are all downwind!). What bothers me is that all those double-tapped walkers aren't piling up on the other side of the fence. Eventually, you'd think there would be enough twice-dead zombies there for the new ones to climb up on and, eventually, over the fence. A la "World War Z" at the Jerusalem wall. Only slower.

That thought crossed my mind as well. Maybe they built a Zomb-oni to push the carcasses out of the way. HA! Maybe there are slow times when a crew goes out to clear the fence.

As for the stench issue, other than the fact that it can be used to detect the walkers before they are visible, I think it would slow the story down to always be showing people going "Ewww, Gross!" all the time or have their faces covered in masks.
post #4552 of 6194
It's a feature of the virus. The victims smell like roses. wink.gif
post #4553 of 6194
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That thought crossed my mind as well. Maybe they built a Zomb-oni to push the carcasses out of the way. .

Dude, you get a thumbs-up for that one. biggrin.gif
post #4554 of 6194
Priceless! I guess I prefer to think that they decompose and are absorbed at a hyper accelerated rate once they have been tapped.
post #4555 of 6194
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Originally Posted by zalusky View Post

Priceless! I guess I prefer to think that they decompose and are absorbed at a hyper accelerated rate once they have been tapped.

Perhaps they should show them go poof, like on Buffy, the Vampire Slayer. smile.gif
post #4556 of 6194
The episode where the kid brought his brother and his buddies back from the dead was pretty good
post #4557 of 6194
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Originally Posted by RemoWilliams84 View Post

The episode where the kid brought his brother and his buddies back from the dead was pretty good

Wait...what? confused.gif
post #4558 of 6194
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Originally Posted by zalusky View Post

Priceless! I guess I prefer to think that they decompose and are absorbed at a hyper accelerated rate once they have been tapped.

/unbindall
/set_cl "zombietime" "24"

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post #4559 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Bill WOW HD View Post

Perhaps they should show them go poof, like on Buffy, the Vampire Slayer. smile.gif

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Wait...what? confused.gif

I meant to quote the guy talking about Buffy. As much as I like waking dead, Buffy was better.
post #4560 of 6194
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Originally Posted by Bill WOW HD View Post

Perhaps they should show them go poof, like on Buffy, the Vampire Slayer. smile.gif

I understand what you're saying, but those were vampires. Vampires are supernatural in most versions of vampire lore. In most versions of zombie lore, the zombies are not well explained, but the inference is that the cause is somehow organic or scientifically explainable, not magic.

it would be tragic to introduce an overtly supernatural element into The Walking Dead.
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