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post #5401 of 6194
Carl has always annoyed me, but being that he is supposed to be what, 14, I can accept his stupid actions. Also, he has seen way to many deaths had to kill his mother, and now believes his sister has been killed. How could he not be suffering from PTSS?

I agree that Michone's method of walking with two walkers does not make sense that other walkers would ignore her. If that were true, anytime anyone gets surrounded by walkers, they would just disappear to the crowd.

In this case, they couldn't't see her until she started chopping off their heads. Doesn't sound right to me, but it's a show about Zombies, so I let it go.

Was anyone else worried that Rick and Carl would mistake her for a walker and shoot her through the door?

Btw, Michone's boyfriend had to die so he could get back to Timothy Hutton's group.

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post #5402 of 6194
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Carl has always annoyed me, but being that he is supposed to be what, 14, I can accept his stupid actions. Also, he has seen way to many deaths had to kill his mother, and now believes his sister has been killed. How could he not be suffering from PTSS?

I agree that Michone's method of walking with two walkers does not make sense that other walkers would ignore her. If that were true, anytime anyone gets surrounded by walkers, they would just disappear to the crowd.

In this case, they couldn't't see her until she started chopping off their heads. Doesn't sound right to me, but it's a show about Zombies, so I let it go.

Was anyone else worried that Rick and Carl would mistake her for a walker and shoot her through the door?

Btw, Michone's boyfriend had to die so he could get back to Timothy Hutton's group.

Sent from my Nexus 7

 

After Carl did not mistakenly shoot Rick, I thought there was a good chance Carl was going to shoot Michone. 

post #5403 of 6194
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After Carl did not mistakenly shoot Rick, I thought there was a good chance Carl was going to shoot Michone. 

Nahh, Walker's don't knock like that...wink.gif
post #5404 of 6194
Only good thing about the prison is that if they're secure, there might be movement towards solving the problem, making contact with other groups who aren't hostile like the Governor was.

That is ultimately what guarantees their long term survival, not putting out fires left and right.

But it seems survival mode, killing walkers who may be lurking in abandoned buildings and being constantly on edge are the crowd pleasers. Or at least, the producers think that is the case.

Or they might throw in a nemesis every few episodes but otherwise it's just pure survival, no progression. Sure the characters have moments, some epiphanies about their limitations (Carl) or reviving the will to go on (Michone).

But the nature of the story seems to be stuck on episodic, with the only milestones being either some regular characters survive or they die.

Since they have a lot of source material to work with, they can milk it this way for years. Movies about the zombie apocalypse have to have a resolution but it appears TWD won't until the producers and the cast have made enough money to want to stop.
post #5405 of 6194
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Only good thing about the prison is that if they're secure, there might be movement towards solving the problem, making contact with other groups who aren't hostile like the Governor was.

That is ultimately what guarantees their long term survival, not putting out fires left and right.

But it seems survival mode, killing walkers who may be lurking in abandoned buildings and being constantly on edge are the crowd pleasers. Or at least, the producers think that is the case.

Or they might throw in a nemesis every few episodes but otherwise it's just pure survival, no progression. Sure the characters have moments, some epiphanies about their limitations (Carl) or reviving the will to go on (Michone).

But the nature of the story seems to be stuck on episodic, with the only milestones being either some regular characters survive or they die.

Since they have a lot of source material to work with, they can milk it this way for years. Movies about the zombie apocalypse have to have a resolution but it appears TWD won't until the producers and the cast have made enough money to want to stop.

 

100 episodes would be an important financial mark. I was surprised Breaking Bad stopped at 96 being so close to the 100 episode mark. 

post #5406 of 6194
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Only good thing about the prison is that if they're secure, there might be movement towards solving the problem, making contact with other groups who aren't hostile like the Governor was.

We saw them at the prison. They did neither. Too stupid to solve basic problems like the fence and too reluctant to send out regular scouts to bring in either equipment or find other groups.
post #5407 of 6194
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Nahh, Walker's don't knock like that...wink.gif

 

Yes, you are right, I was thinking just hearing her move around on the wooden porch might get her popped by Carl. Glad she wasn't. She is pretty badass. 

post #5408 of 6194
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Nahh, Walker's don't knock like that...wink.gif

Yes, you are right, I was thinking just hearing her move around on the wooden porch might get her popped by Carl.

Walking Dead stealth zombies know when to be quiet. They are experts at sneaking up. You only hear them when they want you to hear them. That's why there is always a scene when one of the heroes is caught completely unaware even though they are in the open and whenever the heroes venture into buildings the zombies all stay really quiet until someone opens a door or someone walks directly in front of them, then they can go BOO! and lurch from the darkness.

Just like this week when a zombie ninjad up to Carl from behind and in the house when it waited silently right behind the door until Carl had opened it before groaning and lurching.
post #5409 of 6194
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Was anyone else worried that Rick and Carl would mistake her for a walker and shoot her through the door?

I did. In addition, the post saying that this episode would be controversial/shocking had me thinking that.
post #5410 of 6194
The only shocking thing in this episode was Carl making it alive thru it..
post #5411 of 6194
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The only shocking thing in this episode was Carl making it alive thru it..
Wasn't really a shock, though. If anyone's going to keep living, it will be Rick and Carl.
post #5412 of 6194
I liked the episode quite a bit, there were many thought provoking things - - but I have more nit picks than normal about this episode and wish they'd use more caution in keeping the themes and principals of this world in check:

1) Carl's attitude. I can understand how it could be that way with all the stuff he's been through, teenage angst, and frustrations and not being considered a man yet, but it's very annoying. I'm glad he realized he isn't the scrapper he thought he was towards the end of the episode. If they are trying to make the character of Carl more likeable - they are failing in my opinion.
2) Carl's cockiness. He does stupid stuff, after being alive for 3 years and being trained by Shane, Darryl, Rick, etc - he is still doing really stupid things - leading walkers backwards, looking for goods without clearing the house, falling asleep on his dad who could turn at any moment - instead of tying him down or sleeping in a different room etc.
3) Why was Carl such a bad shot? He missed walkers over and over at point blank range.
4) The walker that should have eaten Carl's leg would have - if he hadn't posed/paused for dramatic effect - like someone taking a picture with their first bite of steak at a awesome steak resturaunt. The zombie just barred his teeth inches away from Carl's leg for like 10 seconds while Carl struggled. They should have had the zombie gnawing on his boot or something instead of just some invisible barrier keeping the walker's mouth at bay in an silly artificial struggle.
5) Carl opening the front door of the pudding home with a plastic solar light after failing to knock it down by flinging himself at it? Um...
6) Rick reaching for Carl's gun groaning like a walker with Carl obviously ready to fire. If he was conscious enough to see and recognize Carl why would he slowly grab at him like a walker. If he saw Carl was pointing a gun at him why wouldn't he retreat, lay back, stop groaning, or give some indication he wasn't trying to attack Carl.
7) Michonne's ability to walk in a migration of walkers was silly. Even if the zombie pack mules helped hide her scent at a distance - it wouldn't hide her scent if they were in her immediate vicicinity. That was a total violation of the principles of the universe previously set by this show.
8) Axe in the head didn't kill the one walker that Rick fought? Axe looked like it went sufficiently in to me - unless it has to hit the brain stem - which rarely happens in other kills anyway. It's more like any disturbance of the brain shuts the walker down in previous episodes.
9) How did Michonne track Carl and Rick through a town on pavement streets days later?
there may be others - that's what comes to mind now.
post #5413 of 6194
Archaea, my thoughts:

1 and 2) Carl is into the Television version of the teen years. He thinks he knows everything and can do anything. Obviously, he's been through a lot and has learned a lot, but he is still untested on his own. I think the events of this episode has shown him that he is not yet prepared to be a lone wolf bad-ass.
3) Since Carl is still green, he panicked and started firing off rounds recklessly.
4) Maybe this was a Hipster walker that's used to taking photos of his food and posting it to Instagram. Some habits are hard to break.
5) Right.
6) Rick was probably still delirious. He recognized Carl, but not enough to see the gun or Carl's panicked look. When you're delirious, you don't realize how you're behaving. Plus that's how they drew it in the comics. wink.gif
7) Agreed.
8) My take was that Rick was too weak to get a good whack at the zombie's skull. It might have gone in, but not enough to kill the brain.
9) They might have skipped the part where she looked at several other homes before she came across Rick and Carl. It's TV time after all.
post #5414 of 6194
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We saw them at the prison. They did neither. Too stupid to solve basic problems like the fence and too reluctant to send out regular scouts to bring in either equipment or find other groups.

So have they given up? LIke the CDC guy dying was the final chance to try to reverse the plague?

Have they also given up on trying to find others, after encountering other survivors who were more dangerous to them than the walkers?

Maybe they're not much different from Morgan, all isolated by himself, "safe" but locked into one mode of life.

Now, are they just going to kill one zombie after another popping out of dark rooms in abandoned houses? Or they do some set piece, like the raining zombies scene or Michone chopping up a crowd of them.

Lot of thrills but it seems like the story isn't going anywhere. Maybe they reach a certain financial milestone and they will look to move towards wrapping things up.
post #5415 of 6194
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9) How did Michonne track Carl and Rick through a town on pavement streets days later?
I never had the impression she "tracked" anybody. She just stumbled upon them.
post #5416 of 6194
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Archaea, my thoughts:
4) Maybe this was a Hipster walker that's used to taking photos of his food and posting it to Instagram. Some habits are hard to break.

This made me chuckle.
post #5417 of 6194
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9) How did Michonne track Carl and Rick through a town on pavement streets days later?
I never had the impression she "tracked" anybody. She just stumbled upon them.

Several times she was shown following footprints in mud. Maybe there was enough mud scattered on the sidewalk.
post #5418 of 6194
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9) How did Michonne track Carl and Rick through a town on pavement streets days later?
I never had the impression she "tracked" anybody. She just stumbled upon them.

My take was she saw the footprints which she knew belonged to Carl and Rick early on in the episode (a cowboy boot print set and a boy's hiking boot set - a footprint set she'd probably seen commonly for over a year of living together). She deliberately chose to ignore the footprints and once again go solo and forge her own path. Perhaps frustrated with losing people, perhaps mad at Rick, perhaps just overcome with grief and loss and not wanting to see Rick and Carl dead at the end of the line. Whatever the reason she saw the footprints and went her own direction. When she was walking among the walker migration she realized she didnt' want to be there alone. She didn't want to be in that hopeless miserable existance with walkers - especially the one that looked a bit like her and made her think that she might look like that and die alone at some point in the future on her own. She then chose to backtrack - find the tracks again and pursue Rick and Carl and the chance at a companionship group again. For better or for worse - she chose to track her friends down.

I thought this was a cool plot point, tracking them in the woods - but then it lost the effect when they show her walking through town on pavement streets - again - days later - and she finds them immediately. I told a friend at work that this bothered me and he said - c'mon man - she's a ninja. She can do anything.

ha.

but c'mon --- keep the unrealistic zombie show somewhat realistic. tongue.gif
post #5419 of 6194
Ok, so it was part tracking and part stumbling upon. smile.gif

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keep the unrealistic zombie show somewhat realistic.
That sort of thing is WAY down the list of unrealistic things on the show.
post #5420 of 6194
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My take was she saw the footprints which she knew belonged to Carl and Rick early on in the episode (a cowboy boot print set and a boy's hiking boot set - a footprint set she'd probably seen commonly for over a year of living together). She deliberately chose to ignore the footprints and once again go solo and forge her own path. Perhaps frustrated with losing people, perhaps mad at Rick, perhaps just overcome with grief and loss and not wanting to see Rick and Carl dead at the end of the line. Whatever the reason she saw the footprints and went her own direction. When she was walking among the walker migration she realized she didnt' want to be there alone. She didn't want to be in that hopeless miserable existance with walkers - especially the one that looked a bit like her and made her think that she might look like that and die alone at some point in the future on her own. She then chose to backtrack - find the tracks again and pursue Rick and Carl and the chance at a companionship group again. For better or for worse - she chose to track her friends down.

I thought this was a cool plot point, tracking them in the woods - but then it lost the effect when they show her walking through town on pavement streets - again - days later - and she finds them immediately. I told a friend at work that this bothered me and he said - c'mon man - she's a ninja. She can do anything.

ha.

but c'mon --- keep the unrealistic zombie show somewhat realistic. tongue.gif

But she didn't find them immediately. There is no need for a TV show to show every step involved in finding them. It would take up an entire episode if that was the case. I certainly never got the feeling she found them right away. Only that they showed the important parts of her tracking/looking for them. No need to show all the minutiae involved in the process. That would be rather boring.
post #5421 of 6194

I laughed at Carl's two brute force attempts against the door. He did/t first try the door knob to see if it was unlocked.

post #5422 of 6194
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Guess I am in the minority. Hated the episode. Carl cannot carry an episode by himelf and was way over the top with his actions and comments to RIck. He just came across as being an idiot and doing stupid things. Michone's dream like sequence was bizarre more then revealing. They need to stop letting Kirkman direct episodes they are usually bloated messes and this one was right up there.

I'm with you pretty much. I didn't "hate" the ep but wasn't happy with it. TWD is heavy handed and likes to think that its doing character development but its just being overly maudlin and redundant. Carl thinks he knows how to handle himself? Lets get him into trouble. Over and over again. Carl is angry at Rick? (for what?) Lets have him sulk and yell at Rick. Michonne is feeling depressed? Lets have her have a bunch of existential crises. Yawn.

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Nahh, Walker's don't knock like that...wink.gif

Walkers don't have knockers.
post #5423 of 6194
Michonne's "disguise" walkers seem to violate all precepts of reality but their impossible cloaking ability has been established previously. I think it is hard to believe but that's just how it is and it was as such in the comics as well. I don't think coating yourself in zombie goo should be an effective deterrent, either, but they did that in the first season. Why don't they do it every time they venture out to travel undeterred? Seems silly. Overall I thought this was a fairly weak episode but it was still decent popcorn entertainment.
post #5424 of 6194
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Walkers don't have knockers.
HA! ....Touche!!
post #5425 of 6194
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Was anyone else worried that Rick and Carl would mistake her for a walker and shoot her through the door?


This was another one of the stupid scenes. Any normal person with common sense would call out Rick's or Carl's name, not knock on the door.

After all the hype and the statement that "the second half of the season was going to really pick up and keep getting more intense till the final episode", I was thoroughly disappointed in this episode. I don't like Scott Gimple being in charge.
post #5426 of 6194
Suddenly, I'm glad that I'm so far behind on most shows that I have to avoid most of the "discussion" threads on the forum. eek.gif

Wow ... biggrin.gif
post #5427 of 6194
So Rick moans and groans and slowly reaches out for Carl and stumbles off the sofa, crawls forward, reaches out, moaning. The entire time his son has a gun pointed at him that he can clearly see and then when he gets close he finally decides its time to talk and say his name? Not when he first woke up, not when he sees Carl pointing a gun at him, no way later? Lame.

So in thinking about the previous episode. Would they need to abandon the prison so soon? I mean, all the attackers are definitely dead, the prison fences are ruined, and there are holes in the wall (some were pretty high up though), but if you are already standing in the courtyard, couldn't you go back into the prison and close the cell block up (that they showed and said NUMEROUS times on how they can section off areas). You have food, water, supplies, electricity in the generator room. Sure, there may be a hole in the wal but it didn't punch through th entire building, you could go to another cell block, lock up, section it off. Recoup/regroup/rest up, then leave through the back. Just odd they ran away so fast just because the fences went down. You could even kill the walkers through the cell doors/cages, etc. and rebuild the fences later, or at least take advantage of the food and medical supplies until you are ready to leave.
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'The Walking Dead' Return Nears Record With 15.8 Million Viewers
By Michel O'Connell, The Hollywood Reporter's 'Live Feed' Blog - Feb. 10, 2014

TV's reigning ratings champ kicked off its midseason run on Sunday night, facing an unfamiliar foe: the Olympics. For the first time in its four-season run, AMC's The Walking Dead went head-to-head against the games -- though it lost no steam faced with the competition.

AMC saw the midseason premiere of The Walking Dead deliver whopping 15.8 million viewers. That comes in just a hair shy of the fall's record 16.1 million viewers.
Among adults 18-49, The Walking Dead matched its previous series high with 10.4 million in the key demo.

The Walking Dead ratings timeline:

Season 4 midseason finale, Dec. 1, 2013: 12.1 million viewers, 7.7 million adults 18-49,

Season 4 premiere, Oct. 13, 2013: 16.1 million total viewers*, 10.4 million adults 18-49

Season 3 finale, March 31, 2013: 12.4 million total viewers*, 8.1 million 18-49*

Season 3 midseason premiere, Feb. 10, 2013: 12.3 million total viewers*, 6.8 million 18-49

Season 3 midseason finale, Dec. 2, 2012: 10.5 million total viewers, 6.9 million 18-49

Season 3 premiere, Oct. 14, 2012: 10.9 million total viewers, 7.3 million 18-49

Season 2 finale, March 18, 2012: 9 million total viewers, 6 million 18-49

Season 2 midseason premiere, Feb. 12, 2012: 8.1 million total, 5.4 million* 18-49

Season 2 premiere, Oct. 16, 2011: 7.3 million total, 4.8 million* 18-49

Season 2 midseason finale, Nov. 27, 2011: 6.6 million total, 4.5 million 18-49

Season 1 finale, Dec. 5 2010: 6 million total, 4 million 18-49
Season 1 premiere, Oct. 31, 2010: 5.4 million total viewers, 2.7 million 18-49

* Record at the time

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-walking-dead-return-678864ReplyQuote Multi
post #5429 of 6194
Looks like maybe young Carl got a wakeup call when that last walker almost made lunch out of his leg- he did manage to get Carl's shoe.
I'm sure he soiled his pants on that one....
post #5430 of 6194
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So Rick moans and groans and slowly reaches out for Carl and stumbles off the sofa, crawls forward, reaches out, moaning. The entire time his son has a gun pointed at him that he can clearly see and then when he gets close he finally decides its time to talk and say his name? Not when he first woke up, not when he sees Carl pointing a gun at him, no way later? Lame.

.........

He was not in great shape. He probably wasn't totally aware of what was going on around him. Heck even a person extremely tired would have difficulty. I see no problem with that scene.
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