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post #1021 of 1259
I AM disappointed that of the settings recommendations I have found that have been published/posted by experienced/professional technicians, ALL have been for the 700 series. Why has the 710 series been ignored?>>>

Ken,
I am guessing that it was due to the very short run the 710 has had. On top of it, the previously announced 60" model was never marketed. Again, I am guessing it was due to the situation between Sony and the 60" panel manufacturer, Sharp.
post #1022 of 1259
AFAIK, the EX700 and EX710 are both edge-lit LED? The 710 replaced the 700 becuase Sharp couldn't supply enough panels. 40 and 55 inch 710s supposedly got panels from the joint Sony/Samsung plant while the 46 is getting them elsewhere, supposedly causing more flashlighting on the 46 than the other two sizes.
post #1023 of 1259
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Originally Posted by djearl81 View Post

No doubt about the Cardinals. Hopefully Carp can bounce back from the hammy. It'll be good to get baseball back after such a long winter in the Lou. My family is praying that Garcia can duplicate last year's results.

I turned off the ambient sensor last night while watching Colbert. BAM! There are those colors I was looking for. I'm going to run the set through the AVIA patterns again tonight with the AS off to see if it makes a difference.

I'm a little nervous to tackle the advanced white adjustments. I don't fully understand the red/blue/green pattern that contains the empahasis percentages. I understand that you are suppossed to look throught the color filters and make the 0% match the background. However, I'm not sure which settings on the TV to adjust to get the result.

Advanced white adjustments: Gain=color emphasis in bright parts of the screen, Bias=color emphasis on dark parts of the screen. There is some interaction between the Gain and Bias also, sorta like the way changing brightness may require also changing contrast.
post #1024 of 1259
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Originally Posted by Steve S View Post

AFAIK, the EX700 and EX710 are both edge-lit LED? The 710 replaced the 700 becuase Sharp couldn't supply enough panels. 40 and 55 inch 710s supposedly got panels from the joint Sony/Samsung plant while the 46 is getting them elsewhere, supposedly causing more flashlighting on the 46 than the other two sizes.

Okay, the 700 is edge lit - sorry for the confusion, the 500's aren't. Don't think the 700's came in 55" like the 710.
post #1025 of 1259
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Originally Posted by litew8 View Post

Okay, the 700 is edge lit - sorry for the confusion, the 500's aren't. 700's are 100hz and the 710's are 120hz. Don't think the 700's came in 55" like the 710.

i think you may still be a little confused
post #1026 of 1259
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Originally Posted by dm145 View Post

i think you may still be a little confused

No, it was the website I was looking at that was confused (or it was the European model). I edited my post while you were typing yours.
post #1027 of 1259
hahahahah
post #1028 of 1259
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Originally Posted by hughh View Post

I am guessing that it was due to the very short run the 710 has had....

I pretty much assumed that was the reason...

This:


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Originally Posted by tzdvl View Post

.That said, I AM disappointed that of the settings recommendations I have found that have been published/posted by experienced/professional technicians, ALL have been for the 700 series. Why has the 710 series been ignored? (I mean, the 720 series is coming out now!!)


WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!


was just a bit of silliness!

Ken
post #1029 of 1259
The 700 series and the 710's have identical specs (sonystyle website), except for the fact that there was no 55" 700 series made. Unless a major material was altered from the 700 series - they're [710's] just re-branded 700's with the addition of the 55" screen.

The 500 series uses an entirely different back lighting method. Not sure of the material.
post #1030 of 1259
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Originally Posted by hughh View Post

Things have changed. ISF calibrations for LCD displays are not made using the service menu any longer. Sure, they use colometers and other tools, but it's all done the same controls that are available to us all. Service menus as far as calibrations seem to have gone with the wind (:

FWIW, I read a thread earlier tonight where direction was given to access the service menu, but I think it was a different (current) sony model tv. If the ability for these sets has "gone with the wind"; with these particular sets, it'd seem it's because they chose not to spend the time/money on coding access to them.
post #1031 of 1259
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Originally Posted by litew8 View Post

FWIW, I read a thread earlier tonight where direction was given to access the service menu, but I think it was a different (current) sony model tv. If the ability for these sets has "gone with the wind"; with these particular sets, it'd seem it's because they chose not to spend the time/money on coding access to them.


Want access to the KDL-46EX710 service menu?

Here are the directions: (Ask yourself: do ya feel lucky? Well, do ya?)


Using the remote control:

Turn the TV off.

Press {DISPLAY} {5} {VOL+} {POWER ON}. (The Service Menu will be displayed.)

Press {JUMP} button to access various submenus.

Use numbers {1} and {4} to select the menu item to adjust.

Use numbers {3} and {6} to adjust the value of the data.

Press {POWER} button to exit Service Menu WITHOUT saving settings.

Press {MUTE} then {ENTER} to save new settings. (The word "WRITE" will show in red when saved.)

Turn the TV off to exit the service menu.




I accessed the service menu for my EX710 television. Pretty cool, but I have NO idea what all the various abbreviations mean. Really cryptic!!

I will say that I don't see any entries that look REMOTELY like they should be adjustments for white balance, etc.

(Maybe there really ARE "secret" hidden pages somewhere?)


I had obtained the service manual for my old SONY Wega CRT TV (and used it to successfully make some needed picture geometry adjustments), and there were numerous entries for picture adjustments in that manual. The various abbreviations were plainly defined as well.


I do see entries in the EX710 Service Menu that vary depending on which input, Scene Mode and picture mode are selected at the time you access the Service Mode, but I think these entries might simply be a record of what custom changes have been saved for that input/mode (?).



I would DEFINITELY obtain a Service Manual before I would even THINK of messing around with ANY of the values, of course!!! (Warning: I saw one post on a forum somewhere where a comment was made that the abbreviations were NOT defined in at least one SONY service manual. I can't believe this, but NOTHING surprises me anymore!)



Wanna see what the Service Mode pages look like?

Here ya go...












Enjoy!! (I wish there was a "smiley" with devil horns...)

Ken
post #1032 of 1259
For quite sometime now, guys have been accessing the service menu. You can check NOSTRADIMWIT very early on this thread. Just about the only useful info users can get is the panel manufacturer for that specific set.

Old ways like you used to do with the CRT tv and we used to do with our SXRD XBR1 are no longer useful. Also, should you mess things up, you warranty will be invalidated. In fact, I believe Samsung will invalidate the warranty should they find out a user has accessed the menu.

Here are the codes for determining the panel manufacturer in tv menu:

http://www.digitalversus.com/news-pa...ews-15489.html
post #1033 of 1259
This is from one of my posts back in Oct 2010:

For those looking to take a peek into the Service Menu, this is the opinion of a professional calibrator:

"There is a service menu, but Sony constantly changes the abbreviations used in the service menu and almost every adjustment I saw was completely inscrutable... you couldn't imagine what the seemingly meaningless strings of letters meant in the heading for each adjustment. Rather than fly blind, I just left them alone." That's on the calibration article of the HX909 he just wrote for the on line Widescreen Review -- Home Theater & Sound.
post #1034 of 1259
Prior to my current ex710 I've messed around in the service menus on all my Sony sets dating back to the '98 model 35" XBR trinitron--that one allowed me to straighten out the geometry (crt sets would often fail at reproducing straight lines), adjust the gray scale, and occasionally produce an "anamorphic squeeze" of the raster.

On my '01 model KP57HW40 crt-based rptv it let me perform a manual convergence, correct an error in the color decoder that produced too much red push.

On the '06 model KDS60A2000 it let me tame the green tinge caused by the failing optical block and correct a one-pixel convergence error (it was a 3 chip set)

On the EX710 I have no interest in going into the service menu--it's fixed pixel panel negates any convergence or geometry errors, whatever's left as far as setting it to my liking is available in the user menu.
post #1035 of 1259
I wouldn't do it.
post #1036 of 1259
Steve,
I find it hard to believe you work at Sears! Most people in our Sears store are either from Kenya, Mali or some other third world country. They know just enough to be able to sell the product based on price/warranty.

I don't think we could find someone as knowledgeable working the Sears floor at the Arlington store!
post #1037 of 1259
The local Sears here is filled with non-English Spanish speaking people. Sears is very happy to accommodate them by posting bilingual signs.
post #1038 of 1259
The following is from the EX500 thread and I hope it will help some of you get a better understanding about calibration and possible differences between Bravia models.


Originally Posted by StuBerger
Hey Mike..how you been, I too haven't been on here much lately. BTW...the white balance conundrum your discussing is for the 60 right? If I remember correctly you thought the 55 was good at default, right?

My whites look white..my blacks look black and thus the picture goes on!
Yeah, I said that because of a meter report I saw of a 55. I'm pretty sure he said that was his default chart. Hence why I'm pretty sure the 55 is fine.

The complaints of others on other sizes of reddish whites does worry me though that all the models do suffer the same white balance the 60 does.

As does the guy that called me out over brightness. I absolutely believe him that the disc tells him 53. Mine does too. But when you set brightness to 50 and adjusst the white balance properly 50 ends up being correct. In all honestly I don't believe its the white balance directly that effects the brightness. Like all sets nowadays there is a algorythm controlling the brightness and or contrast of the sets based on image brightness level. IE ABL for plasmas, and backlight control mechanisms for LCD.

I believe that when playing with the levels of the white balance of the set, the backlight gets adjusted making the set brighter and darker causing the shadow detail to be to high and to low. Hence you need to properly adjust the white balance to get the whole set right and balanced.

Also I can tell you this for 100 percent certainty. Having green bias up to +1 shows black box detail in the shade of green that shouldnt be seen. It shows fully one more black level on the pattern. Showing +2 goes nuts showing 2 full boxes that shouldnt. Then you go down to where I set it and that goes away. But you also need the the correct red and especially blue levels. Also of note is the defualt gain conntrols in the white balance cause the image noise. Using calibrated gain settings makes all the noise go bye bye.

I cant quite explain the whole procedure anymore but those of you that have been in the thread here long enough know I have basically been over each setting with a fine tooth comb. You also know that after many changes in calibration settings I used this calibration that I still use has hasnt changed now for months. The reason being on the meter reports it shows by far the best calibration that I have ever done. And to my eye the set is perfect as can be.

Also of note, my buddy bought a 60ex5 last month, uses my settings and they work meter wise pretty much identical to mine. Maybe not exactly but then again even if I meter my set ten times the readings will be different slightly.

In other words I don't believe the hype anymore about calibrations all so different on same model sets in different hoiuses. I think in most cases its just to much training and not enough real world. The tolerances allowed on the chips and specs of these sets is tighter than the tolerances of the meters non pros use. In most cases I dont believe the difference is a full click of a setting.

The only settings I bieleve will be different home to home on 2 same model sets is brightness and backlight due to different room lighting.

I know some wont like to hear that but scientifically it just doesnt make sense. The color of white is the color of white or black for that matter. If the meter is against the screen so that no outside light is interfering and or a completely dark room is used than nothing should effect the white balance set to set using the same meter. Only the spec tolerance and as I said the tolerance from set to set is tighter than all but expensive pro meters. Also the tolerance is much tighter than user menu notches of adjustment allow.

Again this is all my opinion and worthless to some, But Golden to me
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Great post and probably explains why I can use your settings on my 60EX700 with just changes on backlight, brightness and of course Sharpness, due to our sitting distance to set amount of light in our viewing environment.

Mike, if you don't mind, I'd like to post your msg in the EX710 topic. Some new owners over there could benefit from your comments.
post #1039 of 1259
I think it would be fair to say that the newer technologies (lcd/plasma) allow for more consistent production of component parts and fewer assembly variations than the old techs, hence much less, if any, need to delve into service menus.

An analogy would be the way modern engine management systems have eliminated the need for any tinkering with automobile engines to achieve maximum performance and fuel economy.
post #1040 of 1259
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Originally Posted by ucfknight View Post

The main differences I see between the ex720 and the ex710 is that the ex720 will be 3D capable and will be 240hz (vs 120hz for the ex710).

As for price, Sony hasn't released MSRP yet. So it is impossible to say for sure right now. The prices will probably be much higher than the ex710s are selling for right now as they will likely be very close to MSRP for at least the first few months after they are released.

I recently ordererd a 55'' EX 720, the price was $2399.00 note; this is Sony Canada.
post #1041 of 1259
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Originally Posted by marmyk1 View Post

I recently ordererd a 55'' EX 720, the price was $2399.00 note; this is Sony Canada.

The EX720's screen isn't as matte as the 710, correct?

I'm so frustrated. I picked out the 55EX710 a while back, and now I'm just about ready for it and they're pretty much all gone around here.

I can still order one on Best Buy's website, but it's over 500 more than it was in the store a couple of months ago. Pretty hard to swallow.

I'll wait and check out the EX720, but I have a lot of windows and really need a matte screen.

Anyone know anything about the matte/glossy level of the 620? That one's not 3D so I was hoping it might have a true matte finish.
post #1042 of 1259
hello, newbie here. I went yesterday to Costco and they had 55EX711 for $1499. I tried looking for the specs on sonystyle but couldnt find any. Is this the same model as the 55EX710? why isnt it listed on the Sonystyle website(BTW the website has it for $2069.
I read on this post that 55EX710 was sold for $1000 before the superbowl?
post #1043 of 1259
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Originally Posted by Foxtrot_01 View Post

hello, newbie here. I went yesterday to Costco and they had 55EX711 for $1499. I tried looking for the specs on sonystyle but couldnt find any. Is this the same model as the 55EX710? why isnt it listed on the Sonystyle website(BTW the website has it for $2069.
I read on this post that 55EX710 was sold for $1000 before the superbowl?

That's Costco's model # for the EX710. They carry an extra year of warranty and bundle the wifi dongle free.

Welcome to AVS!
post #1044 of 1259
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Originally Posted by hughh View Post

That's Costco's model # for the EX710. They carry an extra year of warranty and bundle the wifi dongle free.

Welcome to AVS!

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Originally Posted by Foxtrot_01 View Post

hello, newbie here. I went yesterday to Costco and they had 55EX711 for $1499. I tried looking for the specs on sonystyle but couldnt find any. Is this the same model as the 55EX710? why isnt it listed on the Sonystyle website(BTW the website has it for $2069.
I read on this post that 55EX710 was sold for $1000 before the superbowl?

The 711's are available at Sam's Club and costco and have a black trim all around as opposed to the silver/gray bottom that the 710's have ( i bought a 46ex711 from sam's a couple months ago.) They do have the wifi-dongle as well. The warranty is 18 months on the 711's a s opposed to 12 months on the 710's (sorry hughh - had to correct ya on that one. )

You can find info about it on the sony e-support site- under manuals if you put in the model number.

so far i am happy with the tv overall- apart from the terrible flashlighting issue (although its only noticeable in dark scenes in a dark room) I do have a sony repair person coming to look at it to see if anything can be done or if it needs to be replaced? others that have had this done in the past..what were your experiences like?
post #1045 of 1259
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Originally Posted by megashock5 View Post

The EX720's screen isn't as matte as the 710, correct?

I'm so frustrated. I picked out the 55EX710 a while back, and now I'm just about ready for it and they're pretty much all gone around here.

I can still order one on Best Buy's website, but it's over 500 more than it was in the store a couple of months ago. Pretty hard to swallow.

I'll wait and check out the EX720, but I have a lot of windows and really need a matte screen.

Anyone know anything about the matte/glossy level of the 620? That one's not 3D so I was hoping it might have a true matte finish.

I have heard the screen described as semi matte. if you need a matte screen the EX720 may not be the one for you.
post #1046 of 1259
Hey, no problema MRK. I am a member of both Sams and Costco but much prefer Costco.

Here's Costco's warranty policy:

Costco offers a 1-year warranty on all refurbished Computers & Televisions. Costco extends the manufacturer’s warranty on new Computers and Televisions to 2 years from the date of purchase. See the manufacturer’s warranty for specific coverage terms. For warranty service, contact Costco Concierge Services at 1-866-861-0450.
post #1047 of 1259
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Originally Posted by marmyk1 View Post

I have heard the screen described as semi matte. if you need a matte screen the EX720 may not be the one for you.

Semi matte is what the EX series has up until now. It does an outstanding job in suppressing reflections and that's the reason I chose the EX700.

As for the newer EX720, I personally do not know yet what type of screen it has.
post #1048 of 1259
thanks for the info, looks like a great tv, I've been reading and Im confused with Sony, some of the TV offer the Skype ready option but others more expensive dont, is the skype a software update or something similar?
I am looking for a LCD/LED 120Hz that has internet, PS3 friendly.
Im amazed the 55EX710 was $1K a month ago. Im wondering now that the EX720 is coming out will the the EX710-711(costco) go down more.
post #1049 of 1259
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Originally Posted by Foxtrot_01 View Post

thanks for the info, looks like a great tv, I've been reading and Im confused with Sony, some of the TV offer the Skype ready option but others more expensive dont, is the skype a software update or something similar?
I am looking for a LCD/LED 120Hz that has internet, PS3 friendly.
Im amazed the 55EX710 was $1K a month ago. Im wondering now that the EX720 is coming out will the the EX710-711(costco) go down more.

The Skype is new for MY 2011 only and I am sure it will NOT be compatible with previous years.
post #1050 of 1259
I received an email from Sony Style (Canada) advising that some of the new 2011 products are now available at the Sony Store. It looks like the EX720 series of televisions are now in stock.

http://www.sonystyle.ca/wcsstore/Son...nt/splash.html
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