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post #511 of 614
Qnap and Synolgy are great personally the minimum i would get is a 4 bay device and you should to stay away from the ones with the Marvell processor look at the ones withe atom dual core processors

if your looking to grow with your device look at both those brands and the apps and options .. for example if your looking to hook up security cameras in and around the house
then Qnap maybe your choice because synolgy charges a per camera licence fee.

as far as everything else i think they both are great and do the same things with very subtle differences.
post #512 of 614
I have the 212j and love it. I run two 3TB drives in RAID1, mirrored. I stream to my HTPC a bunch of MKV files without issue at all.
Now that I am planning my HT I will probably go bigger, but so far not a single problem or issue with them, it has worked flawlessly everytime.

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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

Need advice with NAS.....

I want to get a central NAS for my house. I Don't currently rip and/or stream anything over the network but might one day. I was thinking that a two bay NAS would suit my storage needs as all I'm doing currently would be music, photo, and critical file storage.

I was thinking this Synology DS212J



And a Pair of 1 or 1.5TB drives but IDK whats the best type of drives? Some "park" and some have better power efficiency and some have faster read/write idk which drive to use? Greens Blues, IDK blue is my fav color so maybe that one ?confused.gif

I was thinking Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB?


Any Ideas?
post #513 of 614
Hey Nick. If you plan to stream any video content, I would look at a NAS with more drive bays, four bays at a minimum. I currently have a Synology DS413j which I have been very happy with. I currently only use it for file storage and backup, but I have to say that it is one robust little unit with better capabilities and far less money than the QNap and any others I have seen for that matter. In short, I am biased toward Synology because I have really looked at all the available NAS devices and Synology's simply shine in both performance and price vs. the competition, which is a rare find.

If you want a higher performing system I would go with this 5-drive unit, the DS1512+. I will personally be upgrading to the DS1812+ when the time comes for final equipment purchase and installation here at the Stonewater Cinema. JDanforth in his Timelapse Cinema just recently purchased the 1812+ which is also a ringing endorsement for the Synology NAS, knowing his technical Jedi level is off the charts when it comes to this kind of stuff.

From what I have seen, 2TB drives are still in the sweet spot of pricing although the 3TB ones can get close to 2TB drives in price if you wait out the online specials. HERE is a link for compatible drives that work with the Synology devices to start your search. I personally have four 2TB Seagate 7200 RPM drives and they have worked flawlessly for the last two years, fyi, plus they are extremely quiet when in operation.
post #514 of 614
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys im leaning towards the most affordable qnap 4 bay after hearing all this.....

I like that the Qnap allows me more cameras without purchasing $50+ additional licensing. The synology seems to be a slicker software though......

I am thinking of this with 2- 2TB drives and fill the other two when i need them.

Also I am liking WD Red drives, they seem preferred?

I did touch base with Jedi master Danforth and he had good things to say about synology and Qnap.......

http://www.qnap.com/useng/index.php?lang=en-us&sn=862&c=355&sc=688&t=695&n=3887
post #515 of 614
Quote:
Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

Thanks guys im leaning towards the most affordable qnap 4 bay after hearing all this.....

I like that the Qnap allows me more cameras without purchasing $50+ additional licensing. The synology seems to be a slicker software though......

I am thinking of this with 2- 2TB drives and fill the other two when i need them.

Also I am liking WD Red drives, they seem preferred?

I did touch base with Jedi master Danforth and he had good things to say about synology and Qnap.......

http://www.qnap.com/useng/index.php?lang=en-us&sn=862&c=355&sc=688&t=695&n=3887

I found the Synology for $379 delivered and the Qnap you have linked for $376 delivered as a best price on the internet, so it appears they are about the same price. Last I checked the Qnap was $50 more for a less-capable model. The Synology has a faster processor FWIW and better (more stable) firmware from what I have read.

I didn't know about the IP camera thing, though....where are you finding the pricing to buy the $50 license for the Synology to work for more cameras? How many can each NAS natively handle before triggering a software license?

As for drives, I have this Seagate Barracuda 2TB, currently $89.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148834

The Western Digital Red is $119.99 and has identical performance according to the specifications. Perhaps a bit better energy management, but that's really splitting pennies at the residential level: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236343

I browsed a few nerd sites and it is a coin flip as to which hard drives you choose as there is no real difference in any metric, simply brand preference. The edge goes to Synology over Qnap on the NAS, I would say 60/40 by the comments, reviews and feedback - primarily due to Synology's much better software and that the never orphan their equipment with firmware updates....meaning even the oldest Synology NAS will still accept today's latest firmware update with no problems and that will continue to be the company's direction going forward. Something to consider.
post #516 of 614
Before you settle on anything have you heard of Unraid? That is what I use. It is awesome. It runs off a USB stick, is Linux based with GUI support. Super easy to add drives. Super easy to trouble shoot. They even have a free version you can try.
post #517 of 614
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Originally Posted by fschris View Post

Before you settle on anything have you heard of Unraid? That is what I use. It is awesome. It runs off a USB stick, is Linux based with GUI support. Super easy to add drives. Super easy to trouble shoot. They even have a free version you can try.

Different beasts... I have unRaid myself and it is great.. but it's only storage. Somewhere along the line NAS turned into a fully functional frontend. I never heard of qnap before, but I have to say it looks pretty cool.

Tim
post #518 of 614
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post


I did touch base with Jedi master Danforth and he had good things to say about synology and Qnap.......

http://www.qnap.com/useng/index.php?lang=en-us&sn=862&c=355&sc=688&t=695&n=3887

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Here are my thoughts on RAID and NAS systems and I welcome you apply as much value to them as they are costing you. Nothing. wink.gif

1. Always buy more slots than you need. You can actually get a 4-bay Synology (or QNAP, probably) and only buy 2 drives to start. Doing this requires you to use name-brand RAID (Synology's and QNAP's aren't compatible, for instance) so that you can expand the volume later. This is different than just plain 'ol RAID 5 which is damn-near universal but not as flexible. I saturated my 4-bay Drobo DAS pretty quickly and it made more financial sense to buy MORE smaller (2TB) drives than fewer large (3+TB) drives. I now have 7 drives in my Synology DS1812+ but I started with 5 a few months ago.

2. Software is king. I don't have first-hand experience with the QNAP but I can tell you that the Synology software is top-notch. It's like a tiny little desktop OS accessible via your web browser. Way cool.

3. Do NOT do DIY RAID unless you want a new hobby. There is nothing wrong with DIY RAID like unraid, freeNAS, etc. but they do require more knowledge to set up, more knowledge and/or patience to maintain.

4. BACK IT UP and put the backup offsite. RAID is NOT a backup solution. It is fault-tolerant but sometimes catastrophic things happen to volumes that make all the data irretrievable. My Synology backs up critical files (read: the 3TB of original photos and video) weekly to an external USB drive that I take to my office. Pretty soon I will be doing that nightly over the Internet to a server I'm building in my office.

I would be thrilled to have you come up to the house and take a look at the 1812+ I have. It runs the same software as all the other Synology devices. I set up a Synology DS413j for a friend using 3TB Western Digital Red drives and it is rocking out his XBMC install without a problem. No problem slinging multiple uncompressed 1080p BR rips on my network.
post #519 of 614
I just about bought a Synology last week and I think it is still the one I prefer. I want to be able to easily access the data from my cell phone and I wonder if anyone has experience doing this with their software and or apps for iPhone. The main thing I want access to is pictures but it would be cool to have access to the music as well.

And of course I am planning on using it as a back up device but I was a little troubled to hear that you suggest yet another back up besides this one. Here I thought I was being all kinds of responsible with the Synology as a back up in a mirrored raid config. So how often do these epic failures you warned against happen and is there anything one can do to reduce the chances? Why offsite storage? Is it bc of fire or theft? Can one just buy another Synology or similar and send the same info to it?

Thanks for the help. This will be my first attempt at a server/backup device.
post #520 of 614
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

And of course I am planning on using it as a back up device but I was a little troubled to hear that you suggest yet another back up besides this one. Here I thought I was being all kinds of responsible with the Synology as a back up in a mirrored raid config. So how often do these epic failures you warned against happen and is there anything one can do to reduce the chances? Why offsite storage? Is it bc of fire or theft? Can one just buy another Synology or similar and send the same info to it?

Technically speaking, I own three of the four drives in my Synology here in my house and own a fourth drive that is in a friend's Synology NAS several states away. I have scheduled backups of my backup to go out nightly to the far-away drive. So if I ever have lighting, theft, fire or catastrophic failure of my device there is a t least one full copy of all my files somewhere offsite. My friend then writes to his drive that is in the fourth bay of my Synology box. It's like our own private cloud servers. The drives are password protected and encrypted so I can't access his drive and he cannot access mine, fyi.
Edited by TMcG - 4/26/13 at 12:33pm
post #521 of 614
That is a great idea and I would only need to buy one large drive to put in another box. I will have to check around to see if any friends of mine would be willing to swap drives with me.

How easy is it to access photos etc from your drives while offsite via your smartphone? I was leaning towards the Synology mainly bc it touted its software as being user friendly and that it is suppose to be easy to acces data remotely.
post #522 of 614
Believe it or not . . . but I don't own a cell phone. I work remotely for my company from a home office and have a company-issued smartphone that is bolted down for security and IP reasons. So remote access of the data is something I cannot do and quite frankly don't feel like I needed - although I like knowing that I have that feature if I ever wanted to use it.
post #523 of 614
I'm using unraid, and like it a lot. My installation is very basic, as all unwanted was lots of space that's easily expandable. There is a learning curve for sure, but once it's setup, I don't see that there is any real maintenance unless you have a drive failure, but I don't think that's much different than any other solution.

Just adding my two cents, and it's worth what you paid as well. smile.gif
post #524 of 614
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the input guys.


I have decided 4 bays for now and a pair of 2Tb WD red drives. I can add the other drives when I need them.

After reading about the camera licensing cost the Qnap is ultimately cheaper. I always wanted the camera capability for security and to be able to see whats going on downstairs when im in the theater.

Im going to do some more reading before final decision. One thing im concerned with is software capability. For something like this software can make all the difference. I dont mind if its not as polished but i want to compare actual software capability and make sure they both have comparable feature sets.
post #525 of 614
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

Technically speaking, I own three of the four drives in my Synology here in my house and own a fourth drive that is in a friend's Synology NAS several states away. I have scheduled backups of my backup to go out nightly to the far-away drive. So if I ever have lighting, theft, fire or catastrophic failure of my device there is a t least one full copy of all my files somewhere offsite. My friend then writes to his drive that is in the fourth bay of my Synology box. It's like our own private cloud servers. The drives are password protected and encrypted so I can't access his drive and he cannot access mine, fyi.

I am very curious to hear how you accomplished that. It was my understanding that the drives could not be used in a hybrid JBOD / RAID configuration. Please enlighten! You can do it via private message so we don't gunk up this thread though. biggrin.gif
post #526 of 614
Quote:
Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

Thanks for all the input guys.


I have decided 4 bays for now and a pair of 2Tb WD red drives. I can add the other drives when I need them.

After reading about the camera licensing cost the Qnap is ultimately cheaper. I always wanted the camera capability for security and to be able to see whats going on downstairs when im in the theater.

Im going to do some more reading before final decision. One thing im concerned with is software capability. For something like this software can make all the difference. I dont mind if its not as polished but i want to compare actual software capability and make sure they both have comparable feature sets.

Sweet! You're going to love it!

I have been tossing around the idea of installing a couple of IP cameras too but I honestly hadn't considered putting them inside. Where would you put yours? I would think that my family would have a "we're drawing the line" moment if I put one in the hallway upstairs, kitchen, etc.
post #527 of 614
Careful on this ip cam stuff guys! I have been looking into this as well and I will tell you it will steel from your av budget! Same thing oh two would be nice, then you realize you really want eight to cover your whole house, then comes the price vs quality and you can't stand spending the money but not getting the quality and pretty soon your av setup starts looking at you and saying wait a minute what about my seos 24!
post #528 of 614
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Originally Posted by jdanforth View Post

Sweet! You're going to love it!

I have been tossing around the idea of installing a couple of IP cameras too but I honestly hadn't considered putting them inside. Where would you put yours? I would think that my family would have a "we're drawing the line" moment if I put one in the hallway upstairs, kitchen, etc.

[TEXTMSG]More mayo on the sandwich[/TEXTMSG]

I have 4 analog cams on my house.. Trust me, you don't want the cheap out on the quality. So if you're thinking about cams.. think about how much the good ones cost.

Tim
post #529 of 614
Quote:
Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

Thanks for all the input guys.


I have decided 4 bays for now and a pair of 2Tb WD red drives. I can add the other drives when I need them.

After reading about the camera licensing cost the Qnap is ultimately cheaper. I always wanted the camera capability for security and to be able to see whats going on downstairs when im in the theater.

Im going to do some more reading before final decision. One thing im concerned with is software capability. For something like this software can make all the difference. I dont mind if its not as polished but i want to compare actual software capability and make sure they both have comparable feature sets.

Did you get this up and running yet ?
post #530 of 614
Thread Starter 
LOL no man, ive been pretty slack on the theater.

Im gonna put off the NAS storage for now but i really liked the Synology 413.

I have even stalled on my SEOS build too!

I recently broke up with my GF of 3yrs and have been pretty busy wink.gif I forgot how exhausting dating can be!

Hopefully i can settle down in a little bit and finish up some of these projects......

Happy Early 4th of July my AVS peeps!
post #531 of 614
Did you get a NAS, buddy? The 413 is pretty sweet, for sure.
post #532 of 614
Thread Starter 
Hi JD,

Not for now. i have decided to putoff the network storage until most of the other theater stuff is done.

I have within the last couple weeks revived my SEOS build. All that remains for that is mounting the drivers. That should be a significant improvement over my current mains.....

Been slow on theater progress man, i have been USING the theater but havent had a whole lot of free time for projects lately.

Thanks for stopping by this tired old thread! :-D
post #533 of 614
after that you will have to install a balanced power system smile.gif its only money !

I am still rocking my MFW clones but I want to upgrade trhe drives to those SI 15's

http://stereointegrity.com/index.php?id=60

I may start off in one and see how it performs in the MFW box. Then rebuild if needed.
post #534 of 614
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fschris View Post

after that you will have to install a balanced power system smile.gif its only money !

I am still rocking my MFW clones but I want to upgrade trhe drives to those SI 15's

http://stereointegrity.com/index.php?id=60

I may start off in one and see how it performs in the MFW box. Then rebuild if needed.

Hey Chris,

Yeah, I had thought the SIs would be a good fit in the MFW too.... I never modeled it though. The Dayton RS HO 15 works pretty darn well in the MFW too. I've seen graphs of those and it looks pretty good and should take more power than the SI but idk which models best.....

Someone used to have a pair of SI 15s for sale in the classifieds but they were in a box. Maybe they'll sell just the drivers?
post #535 of 614
I realize I'm late to the party, but man I really like what you did with your room. Love all the DIY stuff and the finished look is amazing.

Sorry about the g/f. Hopefully the dates are going well and you can enjoy some of the perks of being single smile.gif
post #536 of 614
Thread Starter 
Hi Dradius,

Thanks for the compliments. It still needs a lot of major things before complete but It probably always will.....

Don't be sorry about the g/f, I'm not. biggrin.gif
post #537 of 614
Thread Starter 
I have finished the SEOS build and those are some really nice speakers. They turned out real nice I think:





























I'm about 30% complete with converting my screen wall into a baffle wall. All that was needed was to screw some 3/4" MDF to the back of the false wall studs with holes to mount the new SEOS speakers into. Well theres actually a bit more to it than that, I had to beef up the framing in spots to receive the MDF and the remainder of the screen wall is to be filled with ROXUL to act as a bass trap..... Also the entire baffle faces have to be covered in Roxul also....

For the moment Nottaway theater is Out of Order until the install of the speakers....
post #538 of 614
those look awesome and I would love to hear what they sound like!
post #539 of 614
I LOVE the curved cabinets on those speakers. While it's easy for me to say, that was well worth the effort smile.gif

Did I miss your thoughts on how they sound or are you waiting for the big install for listening impressions? I've been looking around for reviews of the various SEOS models from time to time. They're on my short list of speakers for my mains, and possibly the surrounds, so I'm always anxious to hear about a new set of these in action!
post #540 of 614
MAN, those curves! UNF! Looking great, Nick!
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