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post #361 of 8828
9/23/10 at 6:18pm
Jason, I PM'd you...hopefully you have AVS pricing for the RS40...

I found this at their site... Click here for full story... http://newsroom.jvc.com/2010/09/jvc-...tio/#more-1581

All six of these new 3D projectors will be available in late November with pricing as follows:

DLA-RS60/DLA-X9 - $11,995
DLA-RS50/DLA-X7 - $7,995
DLA-RS40/DLA-X3 - $4,495

The PK-AG1 3D glasses ($179) and PK-EM1 3D Signal Emitter ($79) will also be available in November.

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post #362 of 8828
9/23/10 at 6:43pm
Jason I am sending you a email right now! I'm curious to know how the RS40/50 compare to the RS25/35.
post #363 of 8828
9/23/10 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by Jason Turk View Post

They are basically a flooded IR flasher...not sure if you have ever worked with one of those. But they emit massive amounts of IR information so basically as long as you are line of site you should be good to go...even if shifted to a side.

Good deal, thanks.
post #364 of 8828
9/23/10 at 7:11pm
I hope this is not a dumb question but with these new units in 2D mode you get 1300 lumens correct? If so that would really help me out since my screen is 55 x 132.

Is it just me or does those glasses make everyones nose hurt like they do mine? Everytime I go to a 3D movie I have to keep taking them off to rest my nose.
post #365 of 8828
9/23/10 at 7:17pm
I think 1300 lumens is at 8000 and not 6500. So I think that only the 3D mode will give you true 1300 lumens unless you don't mind your colours kind of messed up in 2D.
post #366 of 8828
9/23/10 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by Chrisx510 View Post

Jason I am sending you a email right now! I'm curious to know how the RS40/50 compare to the RS25/35.

I'd be curious to hear as well.
post #367 of 8828
9/23/10 at 8:09pm
I had a HD750 for a while before my current VPL-VW85 - the was much to like about it, but the 750's panels/processing (never sure which), was not good for fast action sports - red/green color fringing on high contrast areas like referee stripes, names on jerseys, graphics on the boards of an NHL game ( I watch a lot of hockey)

Would the updates to the new JVCs address this? I suppose one has to wait and see, but I'm curious...
post #368 of 8828
9/23/10 at 8:34pm
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Originally Posted by Jason Turk View Post

3d looked every bit as good as any flat panel I have seen to date in this regard.

Even a Panasonic Plasma?
post #369 of 8828
9/23/10 at 11:09pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I know i'd be a bit bent if I bought a 15/25/35 in the last few months. With the new lineup (especially the affordable X3), the old stock and resale value is likely to fall much harder than the previous year going from the 10/20 to the 15/25/35.

Hard to be upset, really. I pretty much accept that every year will bring new models that will be better than the last generation. I'd be more upset if they didn't get better or more affordable.

Happened with my HD2K, my RS1, etc etc - Just the same as buying laptop computers - each year will bring another generation, if not two.

I think what I'm more keen to see with this year's set is how the frame interpolation handles bluray content. Anyone heard anything about this yet?
post #370 of 8828
9/23/10 at 11:10pm
OK, I am an admitted newbie. I've been slooowly building my theater room for the last 3+ years.
In that time, I've read all the hype about JVC's RS20, then the RS35 the next year. Now...we've got the RS60! When does it end!?

I mean can I count on the projectors improving by leaps and bounds year after year? I'd feel like I got ripped off if I had purchased a projector two years ago, only to see that's been improved on in just two years.

So, what's the common practice, do you guys just decide to bite the bullet one year, and never listen to what's coming out in the upcoming CEDIA show?

Or do you wait and buy "last year's model" so at least you got it at a discount?

Just curious how to no get caught up in the "up-grade chace" or is that part of the hobby/sickness call Home Theater?
post #371 of 8828
9/23/10 at 11:10pm
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I had a HD750 for a while before my current VPL-VW85 - the was much to like about it, but the 750's panels/processing (never sure which), was not good for fast action sports - red/green color fringing on high contrast areas like referee stripes, names on jerseys, graphics on the boards of an NHL game ( I watch a lot of hockey)

Would the updates to the new JVCs address this? I suppose one has to wait and see, but I'm curious...

This is what i want to know too.
I have a Sony VW85. Is the JVC 40 worth a uprgrade if i dont need 3D or is the picture better,worse?
post #372 of 8828
9/23/10 at 11:23pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Monster0 View Post

So, what's the common practice, do you guys just decide to bite the bullet one year, and never listen to what's coming out in the upcoming CEDIA show?

Or do you wait and buy "last year's model" so at least you got it at a discount?

Just curious how to no get caught up in the "up-grade chace" or is that part of the hobby/sickness call Home Theater?

Personally, I make my move when there is a majr shift in performance.

When HD2K came out, it was a big deal, as full 1080p. That served me for a few years, until I saw the RS1. Various projectors came along after the RS1 which basically offered contrast improvements, but when the 550/950/990 gang came out last year, I bit again.

Truth be told - I'm likely to double-dip by upgrading this year - 3D is just too good an upgrade to pass up.

But remember, for $400 or so, one can buy the Optoma 3D processor and get TWO second hand old-model JVC projectors for a great 3D setup that uses passive polarized 3D glasses, not the expensive LCD shutter glasses.

So I don't know if those older units are as worthless as some might make out. They still outperform other brands older units, and many current units as well. They will carry their value a heck of a lot better than the "also rans" of last year.
post #373 of 8828
9/23/10 at 11:44pm
Im curoius to know more about the adobe RGB colorspace. I see the x3 does not have this, but the x7 and x9 do? Can anybody elaborate if this is a big deal that the x3 does not have this? Or even what adobe colorspace is? Also, what does the 99 mode screen adjustemnet do, as its only on the x7 and x9 have (I think at aleast)?

I plan on getting the x3 and EEcolor box. Im hoping the x7's, x9's adobe RGB colorspace doesnt significalntly outperform the x3. Any thoughts?
post #374 of 8828
9/24/10 at 12:48am
It is a color space that, compared to the HD standard, has the same white point and red and blue primaries, but a significantly more saturated green primary.

1. No commercial content has ever been mastered in this color space and never will be, so even if a projector had it, this would not improve performance. It would harm it. The DCI color space--which we may some day get and which has a similar green primary--also offers a more saturated red and a different white point.

2. In any case, the JVC's don't have an Adobe color space. Their native color space has always included more saturated red and blue primaries as well.

This 100% marketing nonsense. Ignore it.

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Originally Posted by monstosity12 View Post

Im curoius to know more about the adobe RGB colorspace. I see the x3 does not have this, but the x7 and x9 do? Can anybody elaborate if this is a big deal that the x3 does not have this? Or even what adobe colorspace is? Also, what does the 99 mode screen adjustemnet do, as its only on the x7 and x9 have (I think at aleast)?

I plan on getting the x3 and EEcolor box. Im hoping the x7's, x9's adobe RGB colorspace doesnt significalntly outperform the x3. Any thoughts?
post #375 of 8828
9/24/10 at 1:11am
A long time since my last post...

Coming from the cinema industry, what is the reason for 8000K for 3D? I understand that 3D is taking away a lot of light (should be approx 80% with active glasses) but I can't see why we should watch a movie in 3D at 8000K. Is there a technical reason I do not know - like that commercial glasses are shifting the colours down?

If there is not a technical reason, well... why not boasting 1500 lumen at 10.000K!

Ciao
antonio
post #376 of 8828
9/24/10 at 1:12am
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

It is a color space that, compared to the HD standard, has the same white point and red and blue primaries, but a significantly more saturated green primary.

1. No commercial content has ever been mastered in this color space and never will be, so even if a projector had it, this would not improve performance. It would harm it. The DCI color space--which we may some day get and which has a similar green primary--also offers a more saturated red and a different white point.

2. In any case, the JVC's don't have an Adobe color space. Their native color space has always included more saturated red and blue primaries as well.

This 100% marketing nonsense. Ignore it.

Thanks Tom. This is what I figured. Its hard reading through the long descriptions via google. You put in such a short sentence and explained it so much better. Thanks again Tom.
post #377 of 8828
9/24/10 at 1:21am
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

Optoma's 2 box solution that requires two 1080p/60hz projectors looks like a way I may go since I have the Epson 7500 and 9500! I sure hope this works. Yipee!

Alan, are you sure that it requires a silver screen and polarized glasses since Optoma's DLP projectors use shutter glasses or are the polarized lenses for the projectors, and if so, where do you get them?

Can you tell me some more about this? I own a HD750 and HD350. Looking at this post says it requires 2x720p@120Hz pjs.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ghlight=optoma
post #378 of 8828
9/24/10 at 3:55am
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

I hope this is not a dumb question but with these new units in 2D mode you get 1300 lumens correct?

Those are not at D65. Genuine 2D calibrated max lumen should be around 900.

Bear in mind that these units dont use CA zooms, so the 900 will be at the end stop. Zoom position will reduce that figure significantly for most people. Also, the max contrast setting will take another significant chunk out of that.

If anyone is interested, I will be posting something very soon that should help us obtain more accurate brightness data.
post #379 of 8828
9/24/10 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

Can you tell me some more about this? I own a HD750 and HD350. Looking at this post says it requires 2x720p@120Hz pjs.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ghlight=optoma

1080p 3D source + One 720p 120Hz projector = 3D using Shutter glases
post #380 of 8828
9/24/10 at 4:10am
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Originally Posted by Tony359 View Post

A long time since my last post...

Coming from the cinema industry, what is the reason for 8000K for 3D? I understand that 3D is taking away a lot of light (should be approx 80% with active glasses) but I can't see why we should watch a movie in 3D at 8000K. Is there a technical reason I do not know - like that commercial glasses are shifting the colours down?

If there is not a technical reason, well... why not boasting 1500 lumen at 10.000K!

Ciao
antonio

Who knows what the actual color temp will be when viewing through shutter glasses? I bet it is no longer 8000k. Whether it is closer to, or farther from, 6500k remains to be seen.
post #381 of 8828
9/24/10 at 4:13am
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Those are not at D65. Genuine 2D calibrated max lumen should be around 900.

Bear in mind that these units dont use CA zooms, so the 900 will be at the end stop. Zoom position will reduce that figure significantly for most people. Also, the max contrast setting will take another significant chunk out of that.

If anyone is interested, I will be posting something very soon that should help us obtain more accurate brightness data.

So true (and thanks for getting into these discussions, CM!) It's a bit disappointing that the lumen output of the new JVC's (at D65) is no more than my RS20. There seem to be some improvements, but not sure they're enough to nudge me off 'stand pat'.

Looking forward to seeing the Vango today; hope it impresses me.
post #382 of 8828
9/24/10 at 4:18am
Millerwill:

Please compare the vango, jvc high-end, and the sony high-end if you get a chance.

Thanks.
post #383 of 8828
9/24/10 at 5:42am
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

So true (and thanks for getting into these discussions, CM!) It's a bit disappointing that the lumen output of the new JVC's (at D65) is no more than my RS20. There seem to be some improvements, but not sure they're enough to nudge me off 'stand pat'.

Looking forward to seeing the Vango today; hope it impresses me.

Thanks for the kind words.

I hope you survive your time with the Prune Juice Posse.
post #384 of 8828
9/24/10 at 6:07am
How many real lumens are we talking about? Does it have the pixel alignment feature? And, does it have a user adjustable, manual iris? I realize it doesn't have a CMS, though (if I'm not mistaken).
post #385 of 8828
9/24/10 at 6:40am
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

It is a color space that, compared to the HD standard, has the same white point and red and blue primaries, but a significantly more saturated green primary.

1. No commercial content has ever been mastered in this color space and never will be, so even if a projector had it, this would not improve performance. It would harm it. The DCI color space--which we may some day get and which has a similar green primary--also offers a more saturated red and a different white point.

2. In any case, the JVC's don't have an Adobe color space. Their native color space has always included more saturated red and blue primaries as well.

This 100% marketing nonsense. Ignore it.

Wouldn't the Adobe RGB colorspace be useful if one wanted to display digital photo's (a modern day slide projector if you will)?
post #386 of 8828
9/24/10 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by Jason Turk View Post

Note the x series is European/consumer...you want the RS40. The 3d affect was very similar to any flat panel available today...of course on a bigger scale.
Cord is about 8' but can easily be extended to almost any length...

All the LCD flat planel i have seen did suffer from more or less crosstalk. The only panel i have seen that didn't have any problem was the panasonic plasma.

So, did the jvc compare more to the plasma panel or the lcd ones ( which would be bad news) ?
post #387 of 8828
9/24/10 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

Personally, I make my move when there is a majr shift in performance.

When HD2K came out, it was a big deal, as full 1080p. That served me for a few years, until I saw the RS1. Various projectors came along after the RS1 which basically offered contrast improvements, but when the 550/950/990 gang came out last year, I bit again.

Truth be told - I'm likely to double-dip by upgrading this year - 3D is just too good an upgrade to pass up.

But remember, for $400 or so, one can buy the Optoma 3D processor and get TWO second hand old-model JVC projectors for a great 3D setup that uses passive polarized 3D glasses, not the expensive LCD shutter glasses.

So I don't know if those older units are as worthless as some might make out. They still outperform other brands older units, and many current units as well. They will carry their value a heck of a lot better than the "also rans" of last year.

Well, yes, but don't forget, you'll need a separate (i.e. in addition to your standard/existing screen) silver screen for polarized 3D that'll have to drop down when needed, or something along those lines. Good screens - especially if electric/motorized and large - certainly aren't cheap.
post #388 of 8828
9/24/10 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Those are not at D65. Genuine 2D calibrated max lumen should be around 900.

Bear in mind that these units dont use CA zooms, so the 900 will be at the end stop. Zoom position will reduce that figure significantly for most people. Also, the max contrast setting will take another significant chunk out of that.

If anyone is interested, I will be posting something very soon that should help us obtain more accurate brightness data.

Please clarify. That is, when the zoom is 'zoomed out', i.e. to make the image bigger, or the opposite, it's zoomed in to make the image smaller (at the same throw distance).
post #389 of 8828
9/24/10 at 7:19am
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

But remember, for $400 or so, one can buy the Optoma 3D processor and get TWO second hand old-model JVC projectors for a great 3D setup that uses passive polarized 3D glasses, not the expensive LCD shutter glasses.

I thought I read somewhere that you will need two Optoma 3D modules when using two 1080P 60Hz pjs. That is 2x $400 + a decent silverscreen.......
post #390 of 8828
9/24/10 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

2. In any case, the JVC's don't have an Adobe color space. Their native color space has always included more saturated red and blue primaries as well.
.

HOw can you possibly make this claim without actually seeing the projector or any real data on it?? Especially when they have a completely new bulb and filters.
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