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post #5941 of 8828
11/27/10 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

From my testing some "matte white" screens do seem to maintain a little of the polarization...

that's not what you indicated in your post. You wrote "matte white 0". I asked for clarification and you never responded.

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post #5942 of 8828
11/27/10 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

that's not what you indicated in your post. You wrote "matte white 0". I asked for clarification and you never responded.

The table I posted for 15 different screen materials was only for screens manufactured by DaLite. The test results you note were for the DaLite matte white material. In an earlier post I has tested an Elite tensioned matte white screen (rated gain is 1.1 but actual measured gain is near 1.0) and it did retain a little polarization. My point is just because one matte white screen from one manufacturer did not maintain polarization, do not assume that matte white screens from other manufacturers will be the same. I hope that clarifies the situation.
post #5943 of 8828
11/27/10 at 3:40pm
I pre-ordered the RS40 from AVS but am unsure of what the protocol will be on Tuesday or soon after.
Do we get phone calls if our unit is in or will be in soon? What does shipping cost (was it included in the our original quote)? I still want to order glasses and an emitter and have not does so, can I still order? Anything else I should know?
post #5944 of 8828
11/27/10 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by curtishd View Post

I pre-ordered the RS40 from AVS but am unsure of what the protocol will be on Tuesday or soon after.
Do we get phone calls if our unit is in or will be in soon? What does shipping cost (was it included in the our original quote)? I still want to order glasses and an emitter and have not does so, can I still order? Anything else I should know?

good question, I am hoping Jason comes back soon once more information is available. They must have a huge # of pre-orders. I ordered quite early, but would like to know if I made it into their first order. heck I might even switch to an RS50 which i think Jason said was no problem.
post #5945 of 8828
11/27/10 at 4:41pm
Does anyone know the difference in cost to go up to the RS50 from the RS40? I am in the same boat as far as having a pre-order for the RS40, however I fear that I may be one of the last to get mine as I may have been one of the last to get in a pre-order. I am anxious to get this, whichever it may be, as it will be my first projector.
post #5946 of 8828
11/27/10 at 4:55pm
I heard from Mark yesterday that they don't know yet how many projectors, or what mix of RS40, RS50 and RS60 they will be getting in the first shipment. As they get projectors (or perhaps as they get specific info on how many of each type of projector is ready to be shipped from JVC to them) they will start down the pre-order list and make phone calls. I would not expect their first shipment to include enough projectors to fill all of the pre-orders, so if you don't get a call that just means they haven't got a projector yet to fill your order. I went ahead and had Mark add two pairs of JVC glasses and an emitter to my RS40 pre-order, but I assume that when you get your call for the projector you can add the glasses and emitter to the order at that time.
post #5947 of 8828
11/27/10 at 6:33pm
Petri,
Thanks. You mentioned some concerns regarding your viewing of the new JVC's. I know you won't comment on where the concerns are based on the pre-production unit but can you tell us are they concerns with 3d only or both 2d and 3d? Do the same potential issues exist on both the rs40 and rs50?
Thanks,
Frank
post #5948 of 8828
11/27/10 at 6:42pm
Just finished watching a Calman 4 video on You Tube, where it was said that they were in talks with 'Display' manufacturers, where the Calman 4 software via a PC/Laptop could interface with these displays, so the CMS could be directly controlled via the calibration software.

This would be terrific if it comes into fruition, does anyone know if JVC might be one of those 'Display' manufacturer's CMS that may work directly with such software?
post #5949 of 8828
11/27/10 at 7:31pm
I got dibs on s/n oooo1
post #5950 of 8828
11/27/10 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by ewelsh01 View Post

Does anyone know the difference in cost to go up to the RS50 from the RS40? I am in the same boat as far as having a pre-order for the RS40, however I fear that I may be one of the last to get mine as I may have been one of the last to get in a pre-order. I am anxious to get this, whichever it may be, as it will be my first projector.


Call AVS sales to find out.
post #5951 of 8828
11/27/10 at 7:46pm
Thanks for the info. Now the hard part, trying to get the wife to approve the upgrade. Not sure that can be accomplished and remain happily married. And I am a good salesman.
post #5952 of 8828
11/27/10 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by curtishd View Post

I pre-ordered the RS40 from AVS but am unsure of what the protocol will be on Tuesday or soon after.
Do we get phone calls if our unit is in or will be in soon? What does shipping cost (was it included in the our original quote)? I still want to order glasses and an emitter and have not does so, can I still order? Anything else I should know?


Why does anyone think they're going to get calls "Tuesday or soon after"?? No one on this forum affiliated with AVS said anything of the sort. Sam has a Co. dealer who told him on good authority that JVC could start shipments as early as Tuesday. That may or may not include any for AVS and I would think even if true, no one's getting any calls even by the following Tuesday. And that's if they're even lucky enough to fulfill half of the preorders in the initial shipment (which some have surmised could be low).

I want this as much as the next guy here but we shouldn't assume what one persons dealings outside of AVS, automatically translates to our preorder schedule through AVS.

I just talked to Mark today and as of then they'd recv'd no updates from JVC.



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post #5953 of 8828
11/28/10 at 1:20am
JVC will ship some on Tuesday. We don`t how many or the mix yet. We don't know what date they will hit our warehouse. Then we must ship. I will take care of the glasses orders you all have given me by PM. We will be getting some projectors out of the first shipment and it will be more than just a few but clearly not enough to fulfill the entire pre order demand. The pre order should get fulfilled with the second shipment a few weeks later. After that, the after pre orders will get filled. I will help Jason with his orders, calling when we know what we will be getting in the first shipment and how far down the order list that will get us. Asking me before say Weds is useless since I won`t know.

Mark Kutlow. What makes you think SN000001? Don`t you want SN000000.
post #5954 of 8828
11/28/10 at 1:29am
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Originally Posted by fmarasco View Post

You mentioned some concerns regarding your viewing of the new JVC's. I know you won't comment on where the concerns are based on the pre-production unit but can you tell us are they concerns with 3d only or both 2d and 3d? Do the same potential issues exist on both the rs40 and rs50?

Both 2D and 3D, and in both X3 and X7, although in a way more obvious way in the X7. So obvious in fact that I can't believe the final production unit can behave the same way. At least I hope not or JVC will never hear the end of it.

I should receive final production models within a week.
post #5955 of 8828
11/28/10 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by pteittinen View Post

Both 2D and 3D, and in both X3 and X7, although in a way more obvious way in the X7. So obvious in fact that I can't believe the final production unit can behave the same way. At least I hope not or JVC will never hear the end of it.

I should receive final production models within a week.

This tread had dropped down to #10 in the list of normal treads - we cannot let it happen again - thus this post.

Petri - is the digital noise issue you observed at certain specific gray levels one example of the issues your are talking about?
post #5956 of 8828
11/28/10 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

This tread had dropped down to #10 in the list of normal treads - we cannot let happen again - thus this post.

Since Mark joined AVS Sales the AVS Forum servers have experienced a huge drop in traffic....as his activity in this thread demonstrates....
post #5957 of 8828
11/28/10 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Petri - is the digital noise issue you observed at certain specific gray levels one example of the issues your are talking about?

The digital noise is a major concern here for me as well, I can live with no cms but not with noise, unless it's in the source but that's not what we're talking about here.

I've now Pre-ordered the 40 because of this issue and will wait to actually see the 50 and the 60 in person before taking the plunge. If they all display this noise ekkhart and petri are talking about then it's much easier to unload the 40 and go back to an older model an RS35.

I wish I could appreciate DLP as much as LcOS products that way I'd have a wider selection of brighter PJ's to choose from but once you've seen an RS35 it's hard to accept any DLP for filmlike picture imo.
post #5958 of 8828
11/28/10 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

TPetri - is the digital noise issue you observed at certain specific gray levels one example of the issues your are talking about?

Yes, and it's a major issue on the pre-production X7 I have here. Much more visible than Ekkehart described it on his pre-production unit. It wasn't anywhere as noticeable on the pre-prod X3 I had for a while.
post #5959 of 8828
11/28/10 at 9:55am
RonF. Treads? Is this a play on words or a multiple typo? I suppose that some could consider that this thread has become a tread, and that the trend of post counts of this dreaded tread is declining. I figure it is better to answer all the pms I am getting before posting and I have been spending a great deal of time on the phone with you guys as well. My pleasure actually, I really enjoy the conversations.

Now re glasses return policy. I spoke with Alan about this and we will be modifying our return policy found under AV Science store. New unopened glasses will be returnable but opened glasses will not be returnable being considered a personal wear item like underwear. We would have to clean and disinfect them and then of course we couldn`t resell them as new, even then.
post #5960 of 8828
11/28/10 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

RonF. Treads? Is this a play on words or a multiple typo? I suppose that some could consider that this thread has become a tread, and that the trend of post counts of this dreaded tread is declining. I figure it is better to answer all the pms I am getting before posting and I have been spending a great deal of time on the phone with you guys as well. My pleasure actually, I really enjoy the conversations.

Now re glasses return policy. I spoke with Alan about this and we will be modifying our return policy found under AV Science store. New unopened glasses will be returnable but opened glasses will not be returnable being considered a personal wear item like underwear. We would have to clean and disinfect them and then of course we couldn`t resell them as new, even then.


You mean you're not supposed to return underwear??!


Come on guys... only 38 more posts for 6000!!!

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post #5961 of 8828
11/28/10 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post

You mean you're not supposed to return underwear??!


Come on guys... only 38 more posts for 6000!!!

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Well I saw 3D on the X7 yesterday and thought it was 'pants'. I guess you won't be able to return that either.

37 to go...
post #5962 of 8828
11/28/10 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post

Well I saw 3D on the X7 yesterday and thought it was 'pants'.

That loses something in the Brittish to English translation......
post #5963 of 8828
11/28/10 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by Geof View Post

That loses something in the Brittish to English translation......

I suppose so, but I guess you realise I wasn't impressed and it kind of fitted with the theme.

35 to go.
post #5964 of 8828
11/28/10 at 11:41am
Hi guys,

I went to see an X7 with Kelvin1965s yesterday. He already wrote up his thoughts earlier in the thread. I thought I'd add my own impressions. First of all, both myself and him, we have the HD350 with a VideoEQPro.

2D:

I didn't come away feeling like my projector is crap even though mine is in a non-ideal environment with white walls while they had a completely black room. I didn't see any extra detail in Avatar for example, and actually their setup was a little bit crappier as it was showing aliasing in places. I don't know if it was the Arcam player or something else. Detail enhance and sharpening were both at the level I use them at home at - 20. :-)

Ok, it is going to be better than a 350 as I can see the blacks were a little blacker, fine, but I came home and watched something on mine without feeling... ooo, I want an X7. Really couldn't care less. The 350 is still brilliant. ;P

OK, the only thing is that this projector is VERY BRIGHT in 2D on high lamp more. I would say my unit on high lamp looks like the X7 in low lamp. If you like your image extra bright, this will do it in 2D. On the projected image size (which was about 80-100"), high lamp was WAAAAAY TOO high and I'm someone who likes it real bright (I have mine on high lamp at 72" with iris fully open!!!) I guess for some that will be worth the upgrade.

3D

Not impressed. There was some crosstalk (ghosting) but for me personally, the flicker made it unwatchable for more than 10mins. I think it's like rainbows on DLP as Kelvin didn't see the flicker. I think I will have to wait for passive RealD systems because this shutter-glass thing is not doing it for me. I can notice the smallest flicker so I'm very sensitive to this. I think everyone has to audition an active system before you buy because you might regret it if you go by the reviews of what other people see. I couldn't put up with it. Interestingly, I've never in my life seen a rainbow on a DLP system. hehe Strange, but we are all different.

Aside from that, I LOVED LOVED LOVED the overlays on the Samsung demo disc. Some of it looked pretty cool and I can see some really nice usage of 3D on TV material in the future. Excellent.

I wouldn't worry much about the colour accuracy in 3D, guys. It looked very good and I am VERY sensitive to overblown or wrong colours (hence having the VideoEQ). It all looked very good. The light levels were fine for me in 3D but lamp brightness will drop over the lifetime of the unit so it may get to that stage by 1000 hours.

That's all from me.
post #5965 of 8828
11/28/10 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post

I suppose so, but I guess you realise I wasn't impressed and it kind of fitted with the theme.

35 to go.

Yes, I read your comments as well as others posted on AVforums. Thanks for commenting. I'm not going into this for 3D though so I'm most interested in 2D reports. Like everyone else here I'm anxious to read reports from folks who have seen real production units...until then this is all a tease...
post #5966 of 8828
11/28/10 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by rollon1980 View Post

Hi guys,

I went to see an X7 with Kelvin1965s yesterday. He already wrote up his thoughts earlier in the thread. I thought I'd add my own impressions. First of all, both myself and him, we have the HD350 with a VideoEQPro.

2D:

I didn't come away feeling like my projector is crap even though mine is in a non-ideal environment with white walls while they had a completely black room. I didn't see any extra detail in Avatar for example, and actually their setup was a little bit crappier as it was showing aliasing in places. I don't know if it was the Arcam player or something else. Detail enhance and sharpening were both at the level I use them at home at - 20. :-)

Ok, it is going to be better than a 350 as I can see the blacks were a little blacker, fine, but I came home and watched something on mine without feeling... ooo, I want an X7. Really couldn't care less. The 350 is still brilliant. ;P

OK, the only thing is that this projector is VERY BRIGHT in 2D on high lamp more. I would say my unit on high lamp looks like the X7 in low lamp. If you like your image extra bright, this will do it in 2D. On the projected image size (which was about 80-100"), high lamp was WAAAAAY TOO high and I'm someone who likes it real bright (I have mine on high lamp at 72" with iris fully open!!!) I guess for some that will be worth the upgrade.

3D

Not impressed. There was some crosstalk (ghosting) but for me personally, the flicker made it unwatchable for more than 10mins. I think it's like rainbows on DLP as Kelvin didn't see the flicker. I think I will have to wait for passive RealD systems because this shutter-glass thing is not doing it for me. I can notice the smallest flicker so I'm very sensitive to this. I think everyone has to audition an active system before you buy because you might regret it if you go by the reviews of what other people see. I couldn't put up with it. Interestingly, I've never in my life seen a rainbow on a DLP system. hehe Strange, but we are all different.

Aside from that, I LOVED LOVED LOVED the overlays on the Samsung demo disc. Some of it looked pretty cool and I can see some really nice usage of 3D on TV material in the future. Excellent.

I wouldn't worry much about the colour accuracy in 3D, guys. It looked very good and I am VERY sensitive to overblown or wrong colours (hence having the VideoEQ). It all looked very good. The light levels were fine for me in 3D but lamp brightness will drop over the lifetime of the unit so it may get to that stage by 1000 hours.

That's all from me.

Thanks for the feedback. I've read other people post about being sensitive to flicker that I don't see, so I'm hopeful it won't be an issue for me. I see rainbows with DLP, but it's a funny experience. If I haven't watched DLP for a while, I see RBE everywhere, but after a relatively short period of time, my eyes and brain adjust. Then, I have trouble spotting them even if I work at it. I do have to admit, though, that's it feels good never seeing them at all with my Panasonic LCD projector.

As for headaches, no display of any kind (or even 3D anaglyph glasses) has ever caused me a problem, so I think I'm just one of the lucky ones when it comes to this sort of thing. After the weeks of waiting and the thousands of posts in this thread, it looks like we're getting close to getting the answers to all these questions about the JVCs. I look forward to finding out how all of you react to them when they finally get here. I won't be shy in reporting my thoughts.
post #5967 of 8828
11/28/10 at 12:29pm
I am watching football and will respond to all those pms later. Thanks Darin. I did edit my post you pointed out but caught it before your pm. Thanks anyway. Why no posts about your Samsung?Being a Samsung owner and user i would like to see some observations from you in the Samsung thread.
post #5968 of 8828
11/28/10 at 12:44pm
Joseph, if you have an LCD projector at the moment, then even an X3 would be a HUUUUGE improvement. Forget 3D, 2D will blow you away.
post #5969 of 8828
11/28/10 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

After the weeks of waiting and the thousands of posts in this thread, it looks like we're getting close to getting the answers to all these questions about the JVCs. I look forward to finding out how all of you react to them when they finally get here. I won't be shy in reporting my thoughts.

I ordered through Jason right after Cedia, hoping to get in the first batch. Although projectors from different worlds, the first comments will be a comparison to this little 3D DLP i've had for the last few weeks.

We recently watched Resident Evil 3D & Polar Express. It's impressive with the big HP screen, the brightness is just right even through the glasses. No flicker, no apparent ghosting, colors are a little oversaturated but not distracting. I am crossing my fingers the JVC provides a similar experience, I really don't want to run 2 projectors.

For many, this sounds like it will be their first 3D projector, I wanted a frame of reference to see how JVC does this first round.
post #5970 of 8828
11/28/10 at 12:50pm
I have a question and it may be an idiotic one but can you get a passive 3D system by stacking two of these babies on top of each other somehow and using a processor to split and polarise (or what the hell) the image and then use RealD glasses? It's not impossible, right?
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