JVC 2011 models & MSRP: RS40 50 60 & HD250. - Page 235  

No, that's not what Mark meant. JVC USA opens the boxes to do a quick QC on all PJ's to ensure safe arrival from Japan. AVS will only open your box if you paid for Jason to calibrate the PJ. Otherwise they will take receipt of the shipments, sort out who gets which one, make the phone calls to each impending owner, and get them shipped once Ccards go through.

This is a ghosting test image created by Frank over at 3D Central on AVS. I posted it in the RS40 thread, but thought someone here might want it:

That is correct Kevin. The shear number of JVC projectors sold by AVS prohibits opening each one and checking out its performance. If you hire Jason to do a pre shipment calibration, obviously as part of the calibration process the machine is thoroughly checked for problems. Of course if you receive an unchecked projector and it has a problem, that is, it is defective out of the box, then it will be replaced with a new machine. So hiring Jason not only gets you a calibration but a good functioning machine absent Fed Ex destroying it in shipment to you, something that rarely happens given our double boxing.

my apologies, i thought AVS did a courtesy check before shipment. apparently they stopped this practice? i was sure they used to do it.

A lot of people here were talking about the Oppo 93 player to match with their RS40/50. What lower-end yet still very good 3D player do you recommend (I don't need all the bells and whistles of the Oppo - just something solid with good performance). I still find it hard to understand how Sony thinks we are going to enjoy the PS3 as a blu-ray player with 3D since there is no HD audio in that scenario. I have to figure that sooner rather than later we'll see a new version of the PS3 to address this, ya think?

From what I've gathered all the 3D players do an almost equal PQ job but it just comes down to primarily the OS and the "bells and whistles". I haven't heard anything bad said about the Panny's.

I have a Panasonic 350 and the only complaint I have about it is that it's slower than the PS3. The PS3 is still wicked fast to load discs, but the lack of HD audio and 3D at the same time is a deal breaker. I don't think they're selling the 350 anymore, but the 300 has dual HDMI outputs, also, so you can use it with an older AVR.

Heck those Pannys are almost as expensive as the new Oppos aren't they?...I think the OP was more interested in something even less expensive if I understood him correctly.

I just did a search and they may even be discontinued. I should have snatched up that open box one at Best Buy for $200 recently. The Panasonics and Oppo are the only ones I'm aware of that have dual HDMI out.

I just checked BB and the price is almost as much as the Oppo!....

I read that colors are sometimes different on each brand of bluray player. Wish I could find a link to the article.

I recently bought a Samsung 6900 which the wireless doesn't work with my router but if you need a dual hdmi out unit the 7900 can be had for must less than 300.

It seems quick and I haven't noticed any problems (other than wifi)with it but I've only had it for a short time.

I don't know much about it and it doesn't have 2 HDMI outputs (which could be a problem depending on receiver and whether a distribution amp would work), but I see the Panasonic BDT100 on Amazon for $165.

--Darin

The Panny 350 has dual hdmi outputs which you will need for 3D if your AVR does not do hdmi 1.4. You run hdmi 1 to the pj and hdmi 2 to your avr and you get 3D. It can be bought for 200.00 now. The oppo 93 and this panny are the only 2 units I know of in the 500.00 and under price that has dual hdmi outs. The 350 was 400.00 not long ago!

guess the dual outputs in oppo and panny BDs wouldn't help anyway, in my case. My projector, ceiling mounted, is connected to my reciever, 4810, by around a 5 meter hdmi cable not 1.4, hidden in the roof. To place an hdmi cable straight to pj I'd have to hide it also above the roof. What about my hdtv?

Like others have said, IF you need dual HDMI outputs to accommodate a AVR without HDMI 1.4a inputs (i.e., but with HDMI 1.3 inputs) then Oppo and the now discontinued Panasonic models 300 and 350 are you only choices. However, if you don't need dual HDMI outputs then the low cost, and probably best buys are the Sony BDP-S470 and S570 models. The S570 includes builtin WiFi and flash memory for Blu-ray Live not included with the S470 but otherwise similar. You can add a very low cost 1GB usb flash drive to the S470 and it has an Ethernet port for network services and an external wifi adapter optional if needed. If you shop around you can find discounted or sale prices on the S470 for around $120 and for the S570 for around $160. These Sony players are fast and support an assortment of the web streaming srevices. 2D and 3D playback quality from Blu-rays is essentially the same as with the Oppo and Panasonic models and Sony is very good at providing firmware updates if needed. The Oppo is the best of the group for upscaling DVDs, but the JVC Projectors with their Reon processor should do a good job of that on their own.

I love my Oppo... I love my Oppo.... I "love" my Oppo!

Are you 100% sure that this cable will not work with 3D?

+1...If his cable is a high quality 1.3 it should work.

If your cab.le is high speed HDMI 1.3, it will work

I have had the same HDMI cable installed with my projector since the HD1/RS1 first came out. Would that have been HDMI 1.3 back then? I think it might have been 1.2. Either way, it works just fine with 3D on my X7/RS50. Do try with any cables you have before you commit to buying a new one, especially a long distance one which is bound to be quite expensive.

On a separate note, on previous JVC projectors, the menu system prevented you from rapidly switching from low to high bulb modes. It forced you to wait 60 seconds between changes. On the new range, this limit is no longer imposed. In fact conversely as you flick from 3D material to 2D and so on, the bulb may well change far more frequently.

Was there really a concern with bulb brightness changes or was this an over-concern originally by JVC? I find it hard to understand why changes to its output, while being appropriately cooled, should affect its life in any way. Notwithstanding of course that a bulb will dim more quickly in high bulb mode over many hundreds of hours.

I would second Ron Jones. I do not need a dual HDMI out as I decided to go for an AVR upgrade (I also want to be able to play 3D from different sources, like my HTPC) and I do not care for the hi-end audio/video features of the Oppo (like the ability to V-stretch a 3D signal, or analog Audio).

I was tempted by a PS3 but didn't go for it because of the HD Audio limitation you mention.

So I bought a Sony S570, mainly because of the integrated wifi (which I don't need now, but may need if it moves to another location in the future) and the integrated 1GB, which leaves the USB port free for other uses. Also, if you have SACD Audio, the Sony does read them. Edit: I think the latest Sony players are faster than the Panasonics, and the interface is (subjectively) nicer. I used to have a Panasonic (BD-50) and although the PQ was good, they are really slow.

In the UK, it has the best performance/feature/price ratio at the moment, and has some of the best streaming offer (it does feature the BBC iPlayer). Apparently the picture and audio quality is second to none, at least for 2D/3D BD playing, which will be my main use.

I should receive it today or tomorrow, I'll let you know what I think outside of this thread if you want me to.

By the way, this is not to start an anti-Oppo war, I totally understand why some would think the Oppo is well worth the price, but there is no guarantee that 1) the 93 will ever be distributed in the UK and 2) that whoever sells it to you will not go bankrupt a month later, which leaves you high and dry if you need any kind of support, so it's too big a risk for me to take on such a pricey item. Completely different proposition in the US.

If your cable works in 3D, it means it is a High Speed HDMI cable. Otherwise it would have been a Standard cable, and wouldn't have worked.

Regarding the lamp change, remember that the airflow in the new unit is different, as is the lamp itself and the chassis. Hopefully the new models have been designed from the ground up to handle this quicker change properly.

Not necessarily: a lot of quality standard speed cables will work for 3D/"high-speed content" - it is just not guaranteed by HDMI Ltd and manufacturer.

Very encouraging to here Jon. How long is your cable? Mine is 50 feet...


My concern which I voiced earlier here relates how switching back and forth between high and normal lamp mode may impact the calibration. In the past I've noted that if I run on high for a while that when I switch back to normal the calibration seems to have been impacted. Also I've seen weird flickering issues in the past on the RS pjs where switching back and forth seemed to cause the bulb to flicker. May have been a coincidence but I think there's something to say about bulb and calibration stability as it relates to changing bulb modes frequently.

My cable is not quite that long. It is 10m and is made by Ixos. I started with a cheap one I bought on Amazon and couldn't even get 1080i stable with it. The Ixos one has been rock solid.

The other thing we have to remember is that this is a brand new bulb. Maybe it will age better (I hope please!) in terms of dimming and maybe holds better colour temperature in its low and high modes.

Mark,

Does AVS standard return policy apply to the pre-order JVC's as well? I wanted to make sure they aren't considered a "special order".

Any RS40/50 owners successfully using an older HDMI cable with 3D? I have a 12 metre cable already embedded in my room (behing skirting and up inside the rear wall). I've tested it at 1080/60p and with deepcolour ramped to 12bit from my Edge processor which is the stiffest test I can currently do. I wonder if this would mean it is capable of passing 1080/24p 3D?

I came up with 2 ideas in a german forum but didn't get much feedback:
How about using a HDMI Splitter and an extra Cable to the pj and the 2nd one to the avr - these splitters are not that expensive - you have the same solution like the oppo93 of pana300 and can choose any bluray player
The ofher idea is a 4/2 matrix switch: if your existing cable supports 3D connect one out with this cable to your pj and the 2nd out to your avr for highdef audio. Connect your avr (handling 2D sources) and bluray player and even 2 more 3D sources to the HDMI in Ports of the switch. So you don't even need a 2nd Cable to the pj. Still waiting for my X3 so i have no Chance to find out if this works

I have to point out (only because I've been appending daily in the HDMI section of this forum) that there is no such thing as an HDMI 1.3 cable (or 1.4). There are four types (five if you count automotive) of HDMI cables. They are: Standard speed (or category 1) without Ethernet, High Speed (or category 2) without Ethernet, Standard speed with Ethernet and High Speed with Ethernet. Any other type of labeling is snake oil (particularly cables with screen refresh rates listed). The cable doesn't know what version of the HDMI spec is being used.

Here are the specs from the horse's mouth (although most of the time the HDMI Org acts like they are the other end of the horse _ IMHO, of course):


http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#44

The HDMI Org is apparently now asking customs in the U.S. to confiscate any HDMI cables not labeled to their standards. I'm not sure how I feel about my tax dollars being used to enforce HDMI standards. Also there is an "HDMI" section to this forum for HDMI-specific questions.

People are confused enough with HDMI labeling that us experts should really try to be consistent when we talk/write.

OK, I feel better now...

Not my areas of expertise at all (and hence I may be entirely wrong), but isn't the point of dual outputs in an Oppo 93 or similar player to output HD audio ONLY (i.e. without video) via the second output. In other words, if all a splitter does is output the same combined audio AND video signal through 2 cables, I would think your HDMI 1.3 receiver would be just as flummoxed by such a 3D signal, as if it were receiving it directly from the player. After all, isn't feeding an HD audio-only signal the 'trick' to using a 1.3 receiver w/ 3D material?