JVC 2011 models & MSRP: RS40 50 60 & HD250. - Page 258  

No idea, but my initial email inquiring about it was sep 24th i believe. They did not have pricing at that time, so not sure they officially did pre-orders...

So to state the obvious, they hope to fill all pre-orders from the last week of September and first three weeks of October with the next batch? That sounds, I must say, rather ambitious. This is considering the majority or pre-orders, I would assume, came after early October when final pricing was announced.

That would be fantastic if true, but it would still be nice to get some form of confirmation on this.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/x...ses-iphone-ap/

Could be interesting.

From a business standpoint, I would make the list based on when I had a valid credit card number (or other form of payment) in hand. But, that's just me...

Looks sweet. Too bad these can't be used with Firehawk or ST 130 screens without huge light loss. These two screens are very popular and probably make up a nice percentage of the market. Would be cool if they released a version of these with horizontal polarization.

Not to keep pounding this subject like Sly Stallone in the first Rocky but . . . (I'm gonna cause it needs to be until corrected!) . . .

Go on to the JVC website BEFORE they take it off now that I am posting this but do any of you see an issue with their advertisement??! . . .

Extraordinary Picture Quality

• 
• 1920x1080(x3) 0.7-inch D-ILA devices
• 3rd generation optical engine with improved wire grid polarizer
• Industry leading native contrast ratio: 70,000:1
• 1300 ANSI Lumens
• Upgraded 120Hz Clear Motion Drive for smooth action scenes
• Real Color Imaging Technology ensures rec.709 color gamut

Highly customizable

• 16-step lens aperture
• 7-axis Color Management System (R,G,B,C,M,Y and Orange)
• 99 custom screen-mode presets
• Various color profiles including rec.709/D65, Adobe, sRGB, and DCI

Stunning THX® Certified 3D Performance with optional active shutter glasses, emitter

• Frame sequential full 1080p for each eye
• No special screen needed for 3D
• Accepts all modern 3D formats (Blu-ray, side-by-side, top-and-bottom)
• THX® Certified for 3D — a world first!

Optimum Flexibility and Convenience

• Dual HDMI 1.4a inputs, PC input
• Remote control via LAN, RS-232C, IR
• Newly designed remote controller
• V: 80%/H: 34% motorized lens shift
• 1.4:1 to 2.8:1 lens throw
• Motorized lens cover

Someone needs to fix this with all the live 3D sporting events and now ESPN 3D will be on 24/7! Other than movies this was the reason for me getting into 3D (sports). My personal expectation is that this issue is resolved by the end of this month.

Thanks for the update Mark!! That's all we are looking for is more information. Now, hopefully my phone will ring and Daniel will be on the other end of the line ready to confirm!

In summary, the 3D formats that are missing and causing incompatibilities are 720p SbS, and 1080i TnB, right? Anything else?

Depends on the definition of "all modern 3D formats". For example, caveman era 3D did not account for active-shutter glasses, polarization light loss, or really wide HT screens created to accommodate really wide sofa butts. Obviously a spec level would have clarified this meaning... ie: post-iceage man is a little more clear. No?

It should be interesting to see who blinks first... 1) JVC acknowledging the limitations of this 1st gen 3D PJ incarnation or fixing it with and update, or 2) customers either pulling the plug, buying now, or waiting for further guidance from above.

In the beginning there was a void. A dark abyss without form or light.

+1

What I mean by modern 3D formats are all the formats actively used by the popular broadcasters such as DirecTv, Comcast, FIOS and others.

I think the major ones that are missing specifically are 720p SbS and 1080i TnB. Anything else?

I think that the 720P SBS one is the one we're all mostly concerned about, everything else comcast/directv 3D works just fine with the JVCs

As far as DirecTv is concerned, I think you are right that it may only be 720p SbS that is the issue.

However I believe there is 1080i TnB content used by Comcast. This too is a problem with the JVC, yes? HBOHD On Demand on Comcast just added some 3D titles. I will check their native format tonight as well.

Applied your information to the forums on DirecTV site...
http://forums.directv.com/pe/action/...talPageId=1002

Ric. What does TnB stand for?

I have requested that Lumagen, and they have agreed, to develop a software upgrade feature to their entire line of Radiance processors to convert without resolution loss 720p side by side (DTV ESPN 3D) to a format that the 3D standard requires all 3D displays to do. They should have it done within a few weeks.This will solve the problems for JVC 3D model owners who own a Radiance. Look for our announcement of a new lower priced full featured Radiance model at power by pricing. We can't announce details until tomorrow. But trust me kiddies, I have had a Radiance for many years with no video obsolescence thanks to the free updates and features that have been added over the years.

If something needs conversion, 1080i TnB whatever that is, if they can do it, that will be added too.

That said, I have absolutely no 3D problems given that my provider FIOS doesn`t offer 3D and I do not have a 3D set. But this with FIOS has to stop, little DVR memory and no sports or else in 3D.

Mark, wouldn't converting at the receiving end from SbS to TaB result in less than standard def resolution per eye (half of the horizontal *and* half of the lines)? I guess it would at least be displayable.

I suspect TnB = Top 'n' Bottom (much like Toys 'R' Us)

I might be one of your first customers so I can get a half decent gamma curve for 3D mode.

the forum members are bent about an specific 3D mode the JVC can't play, how about the fact that you are locked to only 2 Gamma modes in 3D?

I think Gary B said he was on holiday until the 10th. I still want to know if this is a bug or an intentional omission by a marketing guy @ JVC to create distinction between the 40 / 50.

If I knew about this ahead of time, I wouldn't be as frustrated, I would have sprung for the RS50. It's pretty bad that the $500 Acer has 6 3D gamma modes to choose from (at least 2 are more appealing to my eye than Gamma (A) or Gamma (B)..

The Lumagen folks told me the conversion would not involve any loss of resolution and quoted me some numbers but I was dealing with a lot of other issues at the same time. Obviously there would be scaling involved but they said 720p side by side would be an easy conversion. And our announcement of the new unit in a few hours will mention the gamma capabilities. Anyone interested in features can just go top the Lumagen site and read about the Radiance XS, the new model is essentially that with less inputs and outputs.

The reason the JVC has fewer gamma modes is light. The lower the gamma number, the brighter the picture looks. Ergo 1.8.

I don't believe Mark suggested converting from one half-pic format type to another, but rather upscaling SbS 720P -> 1080i which would provide a compatibility bridge for the JVC machines as these support only SbS resolutions of: 1080p 50/60, 1080i 50/60.

Which is why I was scratching my head about the question why I couldn't just use my Denon AVR to do the 1080i upscaling. Somebody else with their sweaty hands on a new RSxx model (Gotchaa) already reported "it looked horrible" when setting the DirecTV box to output only 1080i format, so I'm not sure yet if anybody has tried this via an AVR (or Lumagen)??

Meanwhile, instead of watching my yet-to-be-delivered RS40 I must go run the snowblower to clear another 12" dump from today. Got to keep that delivery guy happy!

I don`t think one would want to reinterlace 1080p to 1080i.

Oh literal one, perhaps interpret the meaning to be "upscale SbS 720P to 1080i where appropriate". Otherwise, the SPEC police will come knocking on your door because upscaling broadcast content to SbS 1080P would be a violation of humanity.

understood, but I could easily get away in Gamma (A) mode on the HP screen if only the blacks weren't being crushed. I just want to get back the shadow detail that's lost in this mode.

Something in between A & B would have been ideal for a 3rd option.

Mark - it is great if Lumagen can come up with a work around, but that's no excuse for not getting this resolved. After all, most RSxx owners are not going to lay out the money (even if it is cheaper than the current line) priced Radiance just to fix an oversight in the pj design.

I would be interested to see if any other major pj manufacturer falls into this trap like the RS does. Sony owners have said there are no 3D compatibility issues. Why should we accept anything less from JVC? Unless they want to buy me a Radiance.

So far the RS50 has played back 1080i SBS... and TaB

I just got my 3D JVC glasses today...and WOW!!! Maximum brightness and comfort (i.e. without having to tilt head 90 degrees) from them compared to the Xpand X103 glasses! I have a Stewart Firehawk G3 screen and was getting maximum dimness with the Xpands. If you have a Firehawk G3, you MUST get the JVC glasses. Maybe Xpand is willing to ship a universal "X103-V" for vertical polarization glasses for those with projectors.

I assume it is the way the Firehawk G3 screen keeps out ambient light and focuses the light right back that gives it the polarization...?

On a different note, I still have not had any problems with 3D broadcast through Comcast with my X7. I watched the Fiesta Bowl the other night on ESPN3D without problem. It was in 720p TnB. The 3D was very difficult to watch with all the action going on...but that was with Xpands...maybe the JVC glasses will change things.

Would you say the image brightness is 2X, 3X, 4X, ? brighter viewing from your Firehawk G3 screen with the JVC glasses as compared to the X103 glass (with you head level)?

Darrin measured the difference and posted his findings a few pages back. I'm glad he went to the effort because I ended up ordering the JVC glasses over the Xpand.

can mike or someone else please comment on the color tint differences between the JVC and Xpand 103. Others have commented that there is a difference in tint.

is it noticeable and which is more pleasing to the eye? I am not too crazy about the greenish tint on the 103's and the Nvidia glasses. If the JVC's were different, even by a bit I would like to know.

thx!