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post #511 of 588
Wow, some of you guys are tough critics. First & foremost, this is a TV show. It's on a weaker network. It's ratings were not stellar. I wonder if the established plan was NOT to end the show this year, would it have made it into a new season?

This wasn't a $50M-$150M+ big screen production. Did it cost us $8-$15 dollars per person to watch at a theater? Did any snacks consumed during this nearly 2-hour production cost about 5X what they would cost at our local grocery? If you receive the show over the air, it cost you nothing but some interruptions by T-mobile & others (who paid for the show on the viewers behalf). I bet the cost to produce 2 hours of something like "Two & a Half Men" eclipsed the budget of this show.

Now, considering all of that, they had a good deal of special effects on screen (not wind machines being flipped on to imply blurring or sound effects off screen implying battles or other super-events). I thought the effects were pretty impressive given the above. We could have easily been served up a much cheaper (to produce) angst-heavy(ier) show in which he finally puts on the suit at the very, very end and all of what is super about Superman is implied for what happens after our view of that world is lost to credits (much like Anakin Skywalker finally slipping into his suit at the very, very end of Episode III and doing what on screen as Darth Vader?).

I thought they made very clever use of select past episode special effects which when played back to back in several sequences, added a lot of reminders about the capabilities of this character... without having to pay to do all such effects anew. It seemed to pack more of what we expect from Superman into the show.

I was also impressed with the little stuff... such as the multitude of cameos in body and just voice (some unexpected and very nice touches), salutes to where they had been and where things were to go, deeper hooks into bits & pieces of the story from even many years ago (for the chunks of audience that really paid attention over the years), and so on. Certain dead and apparently dead characters got a chance to remind us one more time what good actors they are and how they had been missed since their regular appearances on the show ended.

It clearly looked like they had saved a little slush fund from this year to throw some extras into the finale. Yes, a few bits seemed a little more drawn out than necessary and how many of the other characters had to basically tell Clark to put on the suit and get with it? But, for a little, low-budget show on a 5th major network (is it not the weakest of the 5?), I thought the people in front of and behind the cameras did a great job of finishing the show on a high.
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I'm just surprised that no one has commented (for or against) the absence of the most polarizing character on the show.

(Yes, I understand that there was a bit of real live "drama" involved.)
post #513 of 588
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I really thought that character would make at least one appearance this final season but oh, well. Which drama would that be?
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What character are you guys talking about?
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what character are you guys talking about?

LL

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post #516 of 588
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post #517 of 588
I'm glad we got to see Green Arrow in the finale. He went out good.
post #518 of 588
Awesome final episode and a stunning last few minutes with the music. Was goose bump inducing!!!
post #519 of 588
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Originally Posted by HobeSoundDarryl View Post

Wow, some of you guys are tough critics. First & foremost, this is a TV show. It's on a weaker network. It's ratings were not stellar. I wonder if the established plan was NOT to end the show this year, would it have made it into a new season?

While all of that is true... It has been on the same network (essentially) for 10 seasons... and the earlier seasons are MUCH stronger in terms of writing and plot.

Yeah, we had krypto-freak-of-the-weak episodes that we all began to complain about... but aside from that crutch, many of the actual stories were top notch. They seemed to get lazy in the writing, though, as time went on...

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This wasn't a $50M-$150M+ big screen production.

True... but I bet their budget in more recent seasons was higher than it was for the first couple of seasons. I'm not knocking the F/X guys here... but the F/X in the early seasons was good too... so I think the F/X guys could do better IF the script called for it.

The flying, for example... everyone but Clark flew... some multiple times. Heck, Kara flew on her final episode more in that one episode than Clark did for the entire 10 seasons! So you can't say we didn't get more Superman flying because of the F/X guys... they practically put Kara in a Supergirl costume twice... and she flew lots of time.

Even Lex (when possessed by Zod) flew more than Clark! That's just wrong.

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I thought they made very clever use of select past episode special effects which when played back to back in several sequences, added a lot of reminders about the capabilities of this character... without having to pay to do all such effects anew.

Don't get me wrong... I actually liked these sequences too... but when TV shows do a "clip show" lots of people complain... and that part of the finale was very much a clip show.

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It clearly looked like they had saved a little slush fund from this year to throw some extras into the finale. Yes, a few bits seemed a little more drawn out than necessary and how many of the other characters had to basically tell Clark to put on the suit and get with it? But, for a little, low-budget show on a 5th major network (is it not the weakest of the 5?), I thought the people in front of and behind the cameras did a great job of finishing the show on a high.

I'm not saying it was horrible... but honestly, there were better 2-part episodes of Smallville that had as much emotion, F/X, and plot advancement + character growth than this finale.

It wasn't the worst episode of Smallville... but there were nits worth picking.
post #520 of 588
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... there were better 2-part episodes of Smallville that had as much emotion, F/X, and plot advancement + character growth than this finale.

Like the JSA episodes. And what happened to Chloe's "future" as Dr. Fate?
post #521 of 588
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Well the finale certainly met Smallville standards. It's a shame that every big climactic moment has to come down to one big blurry super punch. I remember someone said earlier in the thread that there are some contractual problems with the suit; don't know if that played into the silly shots we got of Tom...either way far out as CGI or just a face show with CGI cape in the back.

Can't say I disagree with the comments about pacing, but when the score started to play, it was ultimately all worth it. His first appearance was saving a plane, which was cool as it matched the comics. Thought for a second he'd go lift a car too. Oh well. Kinda wished someone would have named him from the Blur in a line of dialogue before we flash-forwarded 7 years, too.

I joined Smallville "live" in season 6. It's been a fun re-imagining. I look forward to the direction being taken with Superman on the big screen under the guidance of Christopher Nolan.

Agree with everything you said, B -- especially the Christopher Nolan comment. I'd forgotten he's directing the next "Superman." Considering what he did with the "Batman" franchise -- and last summer's INCREDIBLE "Inception" (a movie that looked 3D even when it WASN'T), we'll all be expecting BIG THINGS from HIS "Superman" movie.
Jeff
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Which drama would that be?

Word on the street is that her response was something to the effect of, 'It'll be a cold day you know where, before I work for those people again.'

IOW, she felt she was treated badly by the show runners ... exactly what that means, I know not.

OTOH, I suppose the Lana storyline had already reached a natural conclusion (probably more than once.)
post #523 of 588
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Agree with everything you said, B -- especially the Christopher Nolan comment. I'd forgotten he's directing the next "Superman." Considering what he did with the "Batman" franchise -- and last summer's INCREDIBLE "Inception" (a movie that looked 3D even when it WASN'T), we'll all be expecting BIG THINGS from HIS "Superman" movie.
Jeff

Except that he's not directing...Zack Snyder is. Nolan is producing.
post #524 of 588
I thought it was funny that they were ripping off a lot of movie plot lines this season and finally at the end they started to rip off "Superman Returns". It's all I could think about when the plane with Lois started going out of control.
post #525 of 588
Who do you think the little boy was that Chloe was reading too? I'm guessing it is her son and Oliver is the father.
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Who do you think the little boy was that Chloe was reading too? I'm guessing it is her son and Oliver is the father.

Correct. They showed the kids arrows in his room.
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Correct. They showed the kids arrows in his room.

So much for Black Canary!
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So much for Black Canary!
She can have my baby...
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They never did explain why he couldn't fly for the entire length of the series until the final 10 minutes. Then he flew like he had flown his entire life.

I stopped watching this show about three seasons ago, and watched the first part of this season. Amazing how you could skip right to the end and still have everything make sense.
I just watched Superman with Christopher Reeve and he didn't fly until after he went to the fortress ( he was 18) and spoke with Jor-El. If you remembered the movie, he hitched all the way to the North Pol. He didn't fly there. As he was speaking to Jor El, he even mentioned to him (Clark)_ that some of his powers he discoverd, some he had yet to still discover. He returned from speaking with Jor-El, 12 years had passed on earth so he was 30 and that's when he first flew.
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Word on the street is that her response was something to the effect of, 'It'll be a cold day you know where, before I work for those people again.'

IOW, she felt she was treated badly by the show runners ... exactly what that means, I know not.

OTOH, I suppose the Lana storyline had already reached a natural conclusion (probably more than once.)

No problem. I actually hoped more for a final appearance of Jonn Jones. But other than AltLionel's overly-done "deal-with-the-devil", I thought the finale was pretty good.
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I thought it was funny that they were ripping off a lot of movie plot lines this season and finally at the end they started to rip off "Superman Returns". It's all I could think about when the plane with Lois started going out of control.

Well that's not really true on the Superman Returns (although the rest of the ripping off is). Superman Returns AND Smallville used a directly point from the first appearance of Superman in comics. He saves Lois in an airplane. Then there's (probably) the most well-known shot of him lifting the car over his head; also in SR.
post #532 of 588
I never even considered the airplane scene to be a homage to Superman Returns when I saw it. I thought it was a homage to the first Christopher Reeves Superman movie where Superman saves Air Force One.

Duane
post #533 of 588
I haven't watched Smallville since Lex was "killed" but, I always knew I'd watched the last episode to see how they finally wrapped it all up. Boy, I'm glad I did too. While the first hour was ho hum, the last 20 minutes was great and worth it all. A great finish to the series.

When the John Williams music started playing, I almost lost it. I grew up watching the Superman movies. Was never into comics but watched the movies all the time. I've been singing the Superman theme since I was 5. I love the Suoerman movies, even Returns and enjoyed most of Smallville. The music and seeing the suit sent chills down my back, I just loved the ending.

I have a bad feeling that the new Superman movie is not going to use any of the John Williams music and, IMO, it will not be a true Superman movie without it. Not saying they have to make it the main theme again but, a hint of it a few times would be nice. That theme is now as much a part of the character as the blue, red and yellow suit. The producers of Smallville realized this and chose to use it, I hope the producers of the new movie realize this as well.
post #534 of 588
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I have a bad feeling that the new Superman movie is not going to use any of the John Williams music and, IMO, it will not be a true Superman movie without it. Not saying they have to make it the main theme again but, a hint of it a few times would be nice. That theme is now as much a part of the character as the blue, red and yellow suit. The producers of Smallville realized this and chose to use it, I hope the producers of the new movie realize this as well.

Another generation felt the same way about the theme from the George Reeves TV series. Themes come and go...but Superman will live on
post #535 of 588
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But other than AltLionel's overly-done "deal-with-the-devil"...

I think he's going for the "Tommy Chong" look these days.
post #536 of 588
So I just watched the finale and thought it was just OK- it changed quite a few things from the Supes mythos, the biggest one being Green Arrow/Black Canary. Another thing that kind of bugged me was that why weren't the JL/JSA members at Clark/Lois' wedding? Bad enough they made absolutely no appearances fighting Apocalypse, but they've been major players in the last 2 seasons of Smallville and in the last 2 episodes we don't get to see even the Martian Manhunter?

At least the last few minutes were good- It's just too bad they ended the series with so many plot-holes.
post #537 of 588
There was just too much time filler in this episode.

First we got to hear Clark and Lois's vows twice. Once during that over-long door scene, and then again at the altar. We didn't need that. Once was enough.

Although the worst time killer was the wedged in clip show for both Clark and Lex. Most of the clips for Clark, and few of them even involved Lois (did any?) who was supposed to be the love of his life. Then the clips of Lex after being told that this super virus would wipe his memories implied that it wiped all of his childhood pain and trauma that the show so eloquently built up his character with. He NEEDS that pain to be the evil person he grew to be. Without them, he'd probably be a pretty good guy. It neutralized the entire character arc of Lex, which was just about the most enjoyable aspect of the show. Back when it was freak of the week, we still had a very interesting journey for Lex.

Not to mention if Tess knew that her blood would wipe Lex's memory, what was her plan to do with it? How did she reasonably expect to get it on him, unless her plan was to die. If that was so, why did she fight so hard not to have her heart transplanted into him? Wouldn't that have done the same thing?

Why was there a comic book that chronicled Clark's journey from Smallville to being Superman? Talk about giving away the secret. And why did it take seven years to walk back down the aisle, especially since the only roadblock the show offered to the first wedding was given at the zero hour the episode before the finale and seemed like it only existed to create conflict for the finale. It wasn't organic at all.

If Darkseid was the worst villain he'd ever face, why did it only take flying through him to vanquish him. Couldn't Kara have done that? She's been flying for years. It was the worst fight since Clark defeated Doomsday by flying him into a power plant. The fight between Clark and Bizarro was better staged, on a TV budget, five years ago. And if Apokalyspe was under it's own power to crash into Earth, why would a super push prevent them from doing that? Couldn't they have just upped the throttle a bit?

The whole thing wreaked of lazy writing. I've read rough drafts with more logic. None of my complaints stem from them not "getting it right" based on some pre-conceived notion of how the Superman mythos should play out. I understand the infinite earths idea and that this is just one of them in the DC universe. These are just flaws in their own storytelling logic. It was just bad, and intensely disappointing.
post #538 of 588
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Not to mention if Tess knew that her blood would wipe Lex's memory, what was her plan to do with it? How did she reasonably expect to get it on him, unless her plan was to die. If that was so, why did she fight so hard not to have her heart transplanted into him? Wouldn't that have done the same thing?

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Watch the scene again, it wasn't her blood, it was a neurotoxin toxin that Lex developed that she wiped on his cheek. She didn't have to die to get it on him, irt was on her glove.
post #539 of 588
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There was just too much time filler in this episode.

First we got to hear Clark and Lois's vows twice. Once during that over-long door scene, and then again at the altar. We didn't need that. Once was enough.



If Darkseid was the worst villain he'd ever face, why did it only take flying through him to vanquish him. Couldn't Kara have done that? She's been flying for years. It was the worst fight since Clark defeated Doomsday by flying him into a power plant. The fight between Clark and Bizarro was better staged, on a TV budget, five years ago. And if Apokalyspe was under it's own power to crash into Earth, why would a super push prevent them from doing that? Couldn't they have just upped the throttle a bit?

The whole thing wreaked of lazy writing. I've read rough drafts with more logic. None of my complaints stem from them not "getting it right" based on some pre-conceived notion of how the Superman mythos should play out. I understand the infinite earths idea and that this is just one of them in the DC universe. These are just flaws in their own storytelling logic. It was just bad, and intensely disappointing.

Thought I was the only one who felt that way. Could and SHOULD have been so much better.
post #540 of 588
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There was just too much time filler in this episode.

...Why was there a comic book that chronicled Clark's journey from Smallville to being Superman? Talk about giving away the secret. ...

What if the last ten years was just a comic book story Chloe was reading to her little boy?
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