Originally Posted by newfmp3
honestly, if this many issues exist with the Epson bulbs, people should start considering Class action Lawsuit. The free replacment during the 2 warranty is nice, but it's only a band aid fix, and obviously we are all screwed once warranty is over.
I wish I had never bought the Epson, I feel like it's a ticking time bomb.
So the question really is, what other projector would you have bought?
As one of the original "yellers" about the bulbs, let me say that I do think that Epson's 2-year warranty on the bulbs IS ENOUGH to compensate for 80% of PEOPLE.
The only projector that can really kill this thing for cost-effectiveness is the Mits 4000, it has long-lasting cheap bulbs, but it doesn't have lens shift and I assume most of you if you had to choose prefer the features of the Epson over the Mits, regardless of the differences in PQ (we won't go into this here).
The only concern I see is if you are a VERY heavy user that plans to use the projector for more than 4 years averaging over 2500 hours per year.
Let's do some simple math here. What other options do you have for a $1200 LCD projector with the features of the Epson, not many right, NO DLP's with these features, some LCD's with a lesser picture quality, etc...
Keep in mind there are not many LCD's at this price range, other than the Sanyo z700 and some really super budget projectors. The 8350 should beat the z700 overall though, so let's use the Sanyo z4000 instead to compare. The Sanyo z4000 has a much dimmer image, is a bit sharper, has a tad better blacks, close enough. It costs $400 to $600 more on average for the PJ itself.
Let's say you bought the much dimmer Sanyo z4000 which costs about $500 more. So if you use your projector for 2000 hours per year (which is fairly heavy usage). After 4 year's you're looking at 8000 hours, or about 3 new Sanyo bulbs on average if you run in high lamp mode (which you likely will ned to), at a total cost of around $700 for 3 bulbs. That's a total cost after 4 years on the Sanyo of about $2,500 if NO bulb ever fails for the z4000. Although the Sanyo bulbs can last a very long time, they do get VERY dim after 2000-2500 hours when running lamp on high mode.
What I am trying to do is put some people's mind at ease with their decision.
With the Epson for the first 2 years, your bulb cost should absolutely be zero, so you're already getting 4000 hours out of the first set of lamps regardless (as long as you truely used your projector 4000 hours in the first 2 years). If you use your projector less than this anyways, then your not a heavy enough user for the cost to add up that much anyhow.
For the Sanyo, the first 2 years of bulbs at 4000 hours cost about $250 or so, so your nearing 2k total cost after 2 years, or $2500 after 4 years - BEST CASE.
At the Epson your still only at $1,300 after 2 years, so $700 cheaper than the Sanyo z4000, almost enough to upgrade the projector again to something newer which may also have a bulb warranty, get it?
So your total cost starts around $1,300 after 2 years given that's what you paid for the PJ (some people paid more, some less). Now let's say over the next 2 years you use the projector another 4000 hours, well at worst case if the bulbs fail at the inopportune time right after the warranty expires (keeping in mind your first set had to last at least 4000+ by default because it was warrantied regardless of lamp hours and the math here assumes 2000 hours usage per year), well then you'll need 4-6 bulbs at a cost of $300 each is around $1,200 to $1,800, and that is if the total average of the bulbs are all under 1000 hours. Most of the bulbs come with 90-day warranties I believe even if the projector is out of warranty, so if any lamp failes within 500 hours, it should be replaced anyhow (1/4 of 1 year = 90 days if using 2000 hours per year, = 500 hours).
So if every bulb fails between 500 hours and 1000 hours (if you are this unlucky), then your total cost after 4 years is still only a smidgeon higher than the Sanyo z4000, and compared to a more expensive Panny your still ahead.
So, you are at $3000 total cost after 4 years with the Epson 8350 worst case, not much different than the Sanyo's best case.
Let's go to the Mits hc4000 with no lens shift, a tad better picture overall (just a bit IMHO) starting around the same price as the Epson. If the Mits bulbs last 3000 hours, given they are cheap too, yes the Mits hc4000 will have been a much cheaper projector over the lifetime, but you will have no lens shift and if you are sensitive to RBE, well there ya go. So again, what other projector could you have bought?
NOTE TO MFR's, stop calling projectors 4000's, it's annoying (sanyo 4000, Mits 4000, Panny 4000, next they'll be a JVC 4000).
Now if you are a 2500+ hour user per year planning to keep this projector 4+ years, it may be a problem (but that is a BIG MAYBE, that assumes Epson never fixes the issue, that there are no other good NON-OEM bulbs to choose from, that most lamps you buy fails past 90 days, that there are no reliable third-party bulb warranties to choose from (there should be), that the bulbs remain at around $300 new, and that you are an EXTREMELY heavy PJ user. I assume if the bulbs continue to be this bad, the sheer volume of replacements will likely bring a lot of third-party sellers into the game and we will see bulbs in the range of $150 to $250 cost.
So I don't see the problem for most people when you really run the math.
I think the only problem is people were assuming they could have an overall cheaper projector over the long run, but projectors don't always work out this way regardless of which PJ you buy. Sometimes the whole dang PJ just fails out of warranty and you have to buy a new one anyhow.