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post #301 of 709
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Don't blame you prepress. Apparently there are 6 tubes you will have to worry about, though im sure the sound will be phenomenal. How much will each tube cost? Im sure there not cheap.

It depends upon which brand you want. I haven't found a price on the stock tubes, but most audiophile types are high on Gold Lion tubes, which would total about $270 for six of them. The type of tube apparently has a significant effect on sound and some are better than others. if I overruled myself and bought one of these, it would mean (based upon an average of 4 hours daily use, which is on the high side) replacing the tubes about every 5 years. With the ARC, the tubes are a bit more, but there are only two and they have shorter life spans, so that's $110 every three years.

My complaint with the 2300 is that there are two tubes which are serving no purpose which would nevertheless have to be replaced. There are two for the linestage, two each for the MM and MC phono inputs. I wouldn't use the MC input.
post #302 of 709
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It depends upon which brand you want. I haven't found a price on the stock tubes, but most audiophile types are high on Gold Lion tubes, which would total about $270 for six of them. The type of tube apparently has a significant effect on sound and some are better than others. if I overruled myself and bought one of these, it would mean (based upon an average of 4 hours daily use, which is on the high side) replacing the tubes about every 5 years. With the ARC, the tubes are a bit more, but there are only two and they have shorter life spans, so that's $110 every three years.
My complaint with the 2300 is that there are two tubes which are serving no purpose which would nevertheless have to be replaced. There are two for the linestage, two each for the MM and MC phono inputs. I wouldn't use the MC input.

$270 for six of them isnt too bad, but then again how good are they. But it will be annoying to replace tubes of an input you will never use.
post #303 of 709
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$270 for six of them isnt too bad, but then again how good are they. But it will be annoying to replace tubes of an input you will never use.

On the other hand, I could use the stock tubes as replacements, which means that three out of the five tube changes over the anticipated 20-year life of the component, I'm buying only four tubes. That would help.

Still, the first order of business is to deal with my room setup, beginning with a MASSIVE recycling effort.
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On the other hand, I could use the stock tubes as replacements, which means that three out of the five tube changes over the anticipated 20-year life of the component, I'm buying only four tubes. That would help.
Still, the first order of business is to deal with my room setup, beginning with a MASSIVE recycling effort.

How did you go with your MASSIVE recycling effort prepress?
post #305 of 709
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How did you go with your MASSIVE recycling effort prepress?

Nothing today, I had too much else to do. Just got home, in fact. Maybe a little at a time, or during my next vacation break. There's too much paper in here.
post #306 of 709
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Reality has intruded on things in a big way, as it has a habit of doing. What started out as an equipment rack search and a hypothetical preamp search all but turned into an actual preamp search, and now will, perhaps, change again.

A friend of long acquaintance found herself in a deep financial quandry, and reached out to me for help (quite possibly she had nowhere else to go, based upon my knowledge of her general circumstances). I helped her with a loan of $3,000 last weekend. I know I won't get this back all at once or quickly, and there are repercussions to my audio (and perhaps other) plans.

Being $3K lighter in the wallet, my first thought was to get a C48 and be done, as it's the least expensive alternative and would give me what I want; $6000 for a C2300 makes less sense now, even if I audition and prefer it. But I could go forward with those auditions and if the C2300 really floats my boat, wait until my circumstances are more favorable and go for it (that could take a while). Or, all things considered, spending this kind of money doesn't make a lot of sense now, so I could go back to my original premise of replacing/upgrading my TV console. While this seems most sensible, there's no guarantee I'll follow through. smile.gif
post #307 of 709
Sounds like you made the right call helping someone out. We could all use some good karma once in a while. You still have a very nice system:)
post #308 of 709
I always have great respect for someone who is willing to do without to help those in need. You're a good man. The home theater stuff will work itself out. smile.gif
post #309 of 709
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Thanks for the kind words, guys. I've known this woman for twenty years, so there was no hesitation in helping; I just had to figure out how much. This is the same friend who wants my Hooker TV console, but told me the other day that, as much as she wants it, perhaps I should try to make it work with the system. I like it as a piece of furniture, but it's simply awkward with the kind of equipment I have, which was why I wanted to replace it to begin with.

First order of business is to clean up in here and then reassess. The preamp could wait (for now, anyway).
post #310 of 709
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I always have great respect for someone who is willing to do without to help those in need. You're a good man. The home theater stuff will work itself out. smile.gif

I agree.
post #311 of 709
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The Parasound JC 2 is available factory-refurbished for about $500 off. That is really tempting, and it's on my list. But getting it would be a near-automatic for the JC 3 phono preamp to compliment it, too (which was also available as a factory-refurb but apparently sold). Not sure I'd be comfortable dropping my checking account balance that much right now. Maybe if I stall enough, that JC 2 will sell and I'll be back to normal.
post #312 of 709
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Something interesting last night.

Because it was so muggy, I had the air conditioner on. As I turned it off on my way to bed, I heard a click behind me, and thought nothing of it, just the Tripplite Smart 1500LCD voltage regulator on the computer stuff kicking in. But this AM, I noted that my Furman SPR-20i had gone into extreme voltage shutdown, and that was probably the click I heard; come to think of it, the sound was different than the usual click of the Tripplite but I paid no real attention at the time. The SPR's red LED was on, verifying shut down. But, it's plugged into a Furman Elite-15PFi (which is plugged into the wall) and the Elite didn't go into shutdown; it was still on. I sent an e-mail to Furman asking about this. None of the Tripplite equipment was affected, and it's plugged into the same duplex (a Smart 1500LCD plugged into a HT1210ISOCTR, which is plugged into the wall).

Con Ed was out in the street recently doing work, and that could be a factor. A few years ago they were out there and some things changed in here (pre-Furman). The A/C compressor kicked in a split-second before turn-off last night, so that's the moment this happened, but it is not typical. The A/C and my system are ostensibly on different lines though at opposite ends of the same room. This bears watching.
post #313 of 709
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Something interesting last night.
Because it was so muggy, I had the air conditioner on. As I turned it off on my way to bed, I heard a click behind me, and thought nothing of it, just the Tripplite Smart 1500LCD voltage regulator on the computer stuff kicking in. But this AM, I noted that my Furman SPR-20i had gone into extreme voltage shutdown, and that was probably the click I heard; come to think of it, the sound was different than the usual click of the Tripplite but I paid no real attention at the time. The SPR's red LED was on, verifying shut down. But, it's plugged into a Furman Elite-15PFi (which is plugged into the wall) and the Elite didn't go into shutdown; it was still on. I sent an e-mail to Furman asking about this.

Charles isnt the Furman SPR-20I meant to be plugged into the wall and the Elite -15PFI plugged into the SPR-20I ?
post #314 of 709
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Charles isnt the Furman SPR-20I meant to be plugged into the wall and the Elite -15PFI plugged into the SPR-20I ?

Hypothetically, yes, but you can do it the other way also. Besides, Furman's guidelines are suggested, not mandatory. In fact, It was suggested to me to do it this way (by a Furman rep, though it was a while ago) so that I could take advantage of the Elite's 45A current reserve (though I'm not sure I need it.). I was told something similar by Tripplite and I had their LCR2400 plugged into an HT1210ISOCTR. The Elite is a 15A unit, whereas the SPR is a 20A unit. But since my system never plays above 4.7A, that's not an issue.

I suppose I could reverse things and put the SPR into the wall, and most of the components into the Elite; both are in the same rack and I do need the plugs available. I'd need a 20A-to-15A adapter plug if I wanted to keep the SPR where it is, then.
post #315 of 709
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Hypothetically, yes, but you can do it the other way also. Besides, Furman's guidelines are suggested, not mandatory. In fact, It was suggested to me to do it this way (by a Furman rep, though it was a while ago) so that I could take advantage of the Elite's 45A current reserve (though I'm not sure I need it.). I was told something similar by Tripplite and I had their LCR2400 plugged into an HT1210ISOCTR. The Elite is a 15A unit, whereas the SPR is a 20A unit. But since my system never plays above 4.7A, that's not an issue.
I suppose I could reverse things and put the SPR into the wall, and most of the components into the Elite; both are in the same rack and I do need the plugs available. I'd need a 20A-to-15A adapter plug if I wanted to keep the SPR where it is, then.

Oh ok. I'm going to look into getting the IT reference to plug into my power regulator it reduces hum. I can hear slight hum from 4 subwoofers and combined I can hear it easily.
post #316 of 709
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An update on the shutdown issue:

Con Edison has been doing work on my block (to do transformer work I think, and replace some cables), and they suggested the over-voltage problems could be done with once they're finished. In the meantime, I see this morning the line is running 124-125V currently. Not a problem unless I need air conditioning.

The specs for the SPR and Elite 15PFi thresholds are different regarding the Extreme Voltage Shutdown feature. The SPR's is 135 +/- 5V, whereas the Elite's is 140 +/-3V. So the SPR is lower, probably explaining why it shuts down when the A/C compressor kicks in and not the Elite. Also, the Tripplite equipment my computer stuff runs on (again, same duplex) is similarly unaffected. Furman suggests troubleshooting further, starting with putting the SPR directly into the wall. I'm reluctant to do that because it's a reconfiguration hassle or will cost me to buy an adequate extension cord or 15A to 20A adapter. OR...run the SPR's power cord across the floor straight to the wall plug and connect via my Venom extension cord; no extra expense and a minor hassle only. Maybe I'll try that. Currently, the Elite is going to the wall via a Wireworld Stratus snaking behind my LP cabinets and connected to the wall via the Venom.

I've also noted that even though it's the same duplex, voltage between the two plugs varies. On the Tripplite setup, the Smart 1500LCD reads 124 and the HT1210 (which the 1500 is plugged into) reads 123 currently; the SPR reads 124 (the Elite has no readout). Sometimes the three units agree, sometimes not. At this exact moment of typing they all read 124, but that won't last. And it didn't.
post #317 of 709
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An update on the shutdown issue:
Con Edison has been doing work on my block (to do transformer work I think, and replace some cables), and they suggested the over-voltage problems could be done with once they're finished. In the meantime, I see this morning the line is running 124-125V currently. Not a problem unless I need air conditioning.
The specs for the SPR and Elite 15PFi thresholds are different regarding the Extreme Voltage Shutdown feature. The SPR's is 135 +/- 5V, whereas the Elite's is 140 +/-3V. So the SPR is lower, probably explaining why it shuts down when the A/C compressor kicks in and not the Elite. Also, the Tripplite equipment my computer stuff runs on (again, same duplex) is similarly unaffected. Furman suggests troubleshooting further, starting with putting the SPR directly into the wall. I'm reluctant to do that because it's a reconfiguration hassle or will cost me to buy an adequate extension cord or 15A to 20A adapter. OR...run the SPR's power cord across the floor straight to the wall plug and connect via my Venom extension cord; no extra expense and a minor hassle only. Maybe I'll try that. Currently, the Elite is going to the wall via a Wireworld Stratus snaking behind my LP cabinets and connected to the wall via the Venom.
I've also noted that even though it's the same duplex, voltage between the two plugs varies. On the Tripplite setup, the Smart 1500LCD reads 124 and the HT1210 (which the 1500 is plugged into) reads 123 currently; the SPR reads 124 (the Elite has no readout). Sometimes the three units agree, sometimes not. At this exact moment of typing they all read 124, but that won't last. And it didn't.

Have you ever considered the PS Audio? I was told good things about them but they can only handle so much. Im surprised that the Elite is able to handle slightly more than the SPR. I was going to go for the reference but was told it wont eliminate any hum.

How long before the works are finished?
post #318 of 709
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Have you ever considered the PS Audio? I was told good things about them but they can only handle so much. Im surprised that the Elite is able to handle slightly more than the SPR. I was going to go for the reference but was told it wont eliminate any hum.
How long before the works are finished?

I don't know, actually. I didn't think to ask. There's no one out there working now, but there's a small area up the street that doesn't look finished. Voltage is still running in the 123–126V range. This will be a problem when it's time for air conditioning. I suppose I could relocate the SPR and then extend it around the wall to the kitchen, which is presumably on another line; I did it once before, but that was pre-Furman.
post #319 of 709
Hey there, prepress.

Here's hoping Sandy isn't too rough on you guys. Get out the sandbags and protect all that wonderful gear.biggrin.gif
post #320 of 709
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Hey there, prepress.
Here's hoping Sandy isn't too rough on you guys. Get out the sandbags and protect all that wonderful gear.biggrin.gif

Thanks, Waboman. The latest models have the center moving over central/southern New Jersey, which is bad for this area if it works that way; the costal flooding would be worse because of all that water being pushed into the harbor. Having to go to work on Monday, when the worst of it comes, will be NO fun. So I will be continuing my prayers for sure. In fact, I started yesterday.
post #321 of 709
Holy smoke I've only just learnt that you guys are expecting a hurricane. More important than anything stay safe prepress. My prayers are with you guys.
post #322 of 709
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Holy smoke I've only just learnt that you guys are expecting a hurricane. More important than anything stay safe prepress. My prayers are with you guys.

If public transportation is shut down (as it was with Irene) my only alternatives for getting to work would be to hope I can snag a cab or walk. It's about a 1-hour walk on a good day, which neither Monday nor Tuesday will be. Lots to pray about.
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If public transportation is shut down (as it was with Irene) my only alternatives for getting to work would be to hope I can snag a cab or walk. It's about a 1-hour walk on a good day, which neither Monday nor Tuesday will be. Lots to pray about.

Would you still have to go to work ?
post #324 of 709
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Would you still have to go to work ?

Theoretically, yes, but I'm hoping to find out more. If the weather's as bad tomorrow and Tuesday as the forecasters all say, it could actually be dangerous to be out. And public transportation has begun to shut down. Subways started shutting down at 7:00PM, buses will start at 9:00PM tonight.
post #325 of 709
Well regardless be careful. Weather can be a tricky mistress. No need to risk it if you don't have to.
post #326 of 709
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Well regardless be careful. Weather can be a tricky mistress. No need to risk it if you don't have to.

Exactly
post #327 of 709
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Well, last night I called the director, having sent an e-mail earlier to both he and the shop's manager. The unofficial suggestion was to stay home. Apparently something similar was being told to other workers too. I imagine those who, like me, rely on public transportation especially. A nearly 60-minute walk in what are unstable conditions would be unsafe, of course, and it'll be the same scenario tomorrow plus the weather is supposed to be worse then. This AM, other than a big gust a few minutes ago it's not been too bad.
post #328 of 709
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Well, last night I called the director, having sent an e-mail earlier to both he and the shop's manager. The unofficial suggestion was to stay home. Apparently something similar was being told to other workers too. I imagine those who, like me, rely on public transportation especially. A nearly 60-minute walk in what are unstable conditions would be unsafe, of course, and it'll be the same scenario tomorrow plus the weather is supposed to be worse then. This AM, other than a big gust a few minutes ago it's not been too bad.

Do you live near the water prepress? I heard on the news the people that live near the water could expect waves crashing into their homes frown.gif
post #329 of 709
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Would you still have to go to work ?

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Theoretically, yes, but I'm hoping to find out more. If the weather's as bad tomorrow and Tuesday as the forecasters all say, it could actually be dangerous to be out. And public transportation has begun to shut down. Subways started shutting down at 7:00PM, buses will start at 9:00PM tonight.

Hey man, my father put it best as we discussed storm-prep strategies: "Never put yourself in danger for a job. Job's can replace you if you're injured or worse, but you cannot replace your health and well-being." My father is from the Caribbean island of Jamaica where Tropical Storms and hurricanes occur far more frequently, so when he offers storm advice, I make sure I listen. My family is up there in NY (Queens) too, praying that this storm does minimal damage.
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Hey man, my father put it best as we discussed storm-prep strategies: "Never put yourself in danger for a job. Job's can replace you if you're injured or worse, but you cannot replace your health and well-being." My father is from the Caribbean island of Jamaica where Tropical Storms and hurricanes occur far more frequently, so when he offers storm advice, I make sure I listen. My family is up there in NY (Queens) too, praying that this storm does minimal damage.

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