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Back when I was the only one who believed, I knew what one little drywall screw could do, and another, and another...

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Zuluwalker,

When I saw the hand drawings you posted I thought "So I'm not the only one!" I've modeled what I'm (slowly) building in Sketch-up but I still find myself drawing ideas on the nearest scrap of paper whenever I can. My wife thinks I've gone crazy. It's nice to know that if it's true at least I have company!
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Zuluwalker,

When I saw the hand drawings you posted I thought "So I'm not the only one!" I've modeled what I'm (slowly) building in Sketch-up but I still find myself drawing ideas on the nearest scrap of paper whenever I can. My wife thinks I've gone crazy. It's nice to know that if it's true at least I have company!

Finally, I get credit and the padded room looks to no longer be an option!

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Very nice setup.

Thank you very much, it has been a lot of fun. And now everyone is excited about it, and that I am not showing them drywall and saying "one day I will put ..."

Thanks again!
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Looks great, fantastic job on the colunms!

They don't look too bad, I am excited by how they turned out! Thank you for your compliment!!
post #36 of 234
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Still waiting for Baseboards...maybe they will do themselves?
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Amazing. I think you scored a home run on this build. Congratulations.
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Amazing. I think you scored a home run on this build. Congratulations.

It's great to know others see the dream can true, and it is more than just a pipe dream. We are very pleased with the final appearance too. I am refining the sound now with home made accoustic panels.

Take care,
Zulu
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Congratulations on completing a beautiful theater. I love the monochrome look with the contrasting wood columns. Very classy. You say your wife took part in the decorating details...I applaud you for maintaining a strong pallet. I appreciate that your thread is concise with lots of pictures and quick descriptions. Didn't have to plow through a bunch of unrelated pondering to understand the decisions you made and the final product. Also appreciate that you have built an amazing theater using solid but obtainable equipment and standard construction techniques. Looks like you put a lot of thought into every detail; wire access for future upgrades, a separate room for the gear, even a port for visiting source components. The simple sofit for side lighting turned out very well. You have pored your heart and soul into the project, as well as a little sanity and it shows. Unless someone has gone through the process themselves it is diffcult to understand how all consuming it is. I laughed when I saw your multitude of hand drawn setups. Personally I thought through most of my ideas behind the wheel, usually in rush hour traffic. Not the brightest thing to do but apparently my autopilot works quite well.
Although I like the sleek, uncluttered look of a false front projection wall, being an audio equipment guy at heart I can appreciate that your front speakers are in full view.
Thank you very much for sharing your passion and the end result on the forum. You did a fabulous job and should be very proud.
Enjoy your theater...and the family and friends lined up with favorite movies in hand. I look forward to details of future upgrades.

DaveK

Dave, your ability to perceive my intentions while at the same time as qualifying my creative and artistic mesh, have left me feeling good. Thanks for the kind words, it's a recognition I enjoyed reading twice. I am also glad to hear postive feedback on my style of writing for the thread, as I was aware it strayed from some of the norm. As much as anyone I appreciate a clear instruction, but still my heart tells me a picture is worth a thousand words. I was infact amazed by the thread after it's completion, as I had nearly forgotten some of the struggles and moments when design and theory became brick and mortar (so to speak).

I noticed you are in the interior of BC. Should you ever find yourself planning a trip to Edmonton, please let me know, and it would be a pleasure to show you the room and demo some things for you.

Zulu
post #40 of 234
I was skeptical early on, but the final photos... you pulled it off. I was especially skeptical of the katana - it's way too easy to make those look ridiculously kitchy.

It's got me thinking hard about being able to pull off Japanese influences in my own (future) design.
post #41 of 234
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After a night of solid listening to music, and movie watching I was surpirsed to discover my AVR (Pioneer Elite VSX-21) almost hot to the touch. All music listening was done in the two channel. I asked my lovely lady to come over and touch the top of it, she drew her hand away quickly and said "It's hot, is that normal?" I replied "In an ideal situation the AVR would not have generate the power for the front two channels and could then reduce it's output to just surrounds and rear, plus the center channel. Ideally of course." My wife then said, "Is it going to be okay?"...and then, I stretched the truth: "No, no infact this high heat could actually bake the components inside and shorten the lifespan and reduce our investment to heap of garbage...sort of, it's complicated?" My sweet, sweet wife then told me to make sure we protect our investment, I told her we needed an Amp...she agreed.

Well, I felt guilty for two days since that happend, so I took an extra shift this weekend at time and half and I plan to send her shopping for more shoes or whatever she likes.

I feel a little better, but I am sure we will all sleep better once we protect our investment...and buy a freaking awesome Amp!!!

Anyone think I should work two weeks in a row to pay off my sins? Or should I call us even since she made me visit her sister in another city...hahahaha! Kidding of course.
post #42 of 234
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You are afraid of smoking your Pioneer Elite playing stereo into an efficient pair of Polk tower speakers? From the rack picture it looks like you have a reasonable amount of air around it. I have the similar VSX-919AH-K and although it definately gets warm I've never been concerned about spontaneous cumbustion. All I can say is thank goodness you did some sound proofing...or maybe it was in fact just a devious rouse so that you could go electronics shopping. Tisk, tisk!
Either way, happy amp hunting.

Well there always was the problem of those pesky extra shelves in my rack...this will likely take care of that problem
post #43 of 234
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Sound proofing

I have proof!



These puppies hang at the front of the room, with two full size pieces behind each one, of Roxul Safe n' Sound 3" thick.



I read about LE/DE (Live End and Dead End) theory many years ago and have sought out to apply it's rules to my own room. As it goes the front end of the front where the screen is should become the DEAD END, and rear of the room would be the LIVE END. I am excited to report great results so far!!

Panels to follow:
post #44 of 234
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I am in the process of building panels, they will be held in place by brackets on the baseboards and chair rail.



There is a really nice pattern on the black fabric I am using for the panels, it only becomes visable when direct light is shining on it. A very cool effect for sure.

A direct flash from a camera can sometimes really make black fabric like speakers grills, or the such, look so terrible!
post #45 of 234
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I was skeptical early on, but the final photos... you pulled it off. I was especially skeptical of the katana - it's way too easy to make those look ridiculously kitchy.

It's got me thinking hard about being able to pull off Japanese influences in my own (future) design.

Thank you very much! It was a critical part of the design, and as such I allowed all other decisions be made to accomodate it. For example, the chairs are the same deep brown, black's from the handle, and the lighting had to be just right so as to draw attention but also set mood and tone for the movies being played. I liken it to a grown up, take it serious, hobby room. As for other Japanese influences, I actually decided to go Eastern vs. one culture , therefore allowing me to integrate my Kung-fu uniforms and belts (as part of a display), and some more pieces of my growing Eastern cultural interests.

I am glad too that the room worked out as well as it did, in some ways better than I hoped, or could have planned for!
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As for other Japanese influences, I actually decided to go Eastern vs. one culture , therefore allowing me to integrate my Kung-fu uniforms and belts (as part of a display), and some more pieces of my growing Eastern cultural interests.

For me, it'll definitely be exclusively Japanese influences (well, Chinese influences too, but filtered thru Japan! ), since I'm getting a second degree in Japanese. Hard to pull off, especially in a movie room. Shoji are very reflective.
post #47 of 234
Zulu, nice job on the build. It's very similar to what I'm undertaking a few hundred km north of you.
My space is similarly sized, and I've got some of the same design targets, ie the soffits, separated equipment, a riser, future-proofed wiring.
I'm wondering how you're finding the noise isolation, with the pot lights and the soffits, the RC for the ceiling drywall, the Roxul and the Quiet Zone?
And your riser dimensions. Did it turn out to be right-sized?
Thanks.
post #48 of 234
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Zulu, nice job on the build. It's very similar to what I'm undertaking a few hundred km north of you.
My space is similarly sized, and I've got some of the same design targets, ie the soffits, separated equipment, a riser, future-proofed wiring.
I'm wondering how you're finding the noise isolation, with the pot lights and the soffits, the RC for the ceiling drywall, the Roxul and the Quiet Zone?
And your riser dimensions. Did it turn out to be right-sized?
Thanks.

Have you started a build thread yet? I wish I had began mine sooner...

Thank you for the compliments. It might be exciting to see some of your plans, and from the sound of it, you are looking down the right set of choices in a number of areas. What is the size of your home? If you have two levels separating you from the theatre then this type of isolation will be fine. I have a bi-level home with no third level, and we find that with a TV on upstairs, or people talking, that it drowns all but the deepest LFE...which I doubt anyone who builds their own room could truly eliminate (It would take a big budget).

Roxul and Quiet Zone are so closely matched in terms of sound isolation, I would let only two things determine your choice between them: 1) location, do you need Roxul because it will not allow promote mold, or catch fire, 2) cost, and the size of your budget as Owen's is much more value for the dollar. I am using Roxul in places that might one day have water (riser on the concrete floor, and below any water lines in the soffits). I used Owen's Corning just about everywhere else.

I will write some tests and results of sound quality soon, as I use an SPL meter I have on loan from a friend. I will include rooms around the theatre and above.

I have found that the riser is the correct size, but that since most of the movies we watch are 2.40:1 I actually end up never even coming close to an issue. Though with the front row in recline, even a very tall person (6'3) does not become an issue, maybe only if they did not recline the chair...who would sit like that through a movie???

The RC makes a difference, as compared to when I use to listen to movies down there before all the renovations. So, yes, RC is worth the time and money.

I will try to write more soon, and post some results from sound tests.

Thanks again!
Zulu
post #49 of 234
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myaudiocd

I do also find that the soffits and columns do add a much more rich and full surround sound field. The echo I use to experience even before the columns is now mostly reduced, accoustic panels will work on that remaining portion.
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This is my friend's speaker, I just recently learned from him that this was the Jumper supplied to him with the speaker.

post #51 of 234
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Just as how I decided to go with using a similar technique that was not with the old Jumper bar I was provided; now I use the wire connection as a Jumper.



I am positive that this method offers better clarity and pitch.
post #52 of 234
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For me, it'll definitely be exclusively Japanese influences (well, Chinese influences too, but filtered thru Japan! ), since I'm getting a second degree in Japanese. Hard to pull off, especially in a movie room. Shoji are very reflective.

That is the quality that makes them so perfect for my room. I enjoy that they catch the eye!



How is your room coming along?
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How is your room coming along?

Conceptual. Just entered contract on a 1960s home (yesterday!, but been in negotiations for over a month, so I've been planning). Since construction on the HT room will be as time/money permit (and since I work two jobs and go to school part-time), it will probably take years to finish.

I'm not in any rush, since this house will almost certainly be the final stop.
post #54 of 234
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Conceptual. Just entered contract on a 1960s home (yesterday!, but been in negotiations for over a month, so I've been planning). Since construction on the HT room will be as time/money permit (and since I work two jobs and go to school part-time), it will probably take years to finish.

I'm not in any rush, since this house will almost certainly be the final stop.

The longer you have the better your room will be, and the more likely you will be satisfied with the details. Rushed projects, and tight budgets with a fast pace are gross to endure...no matter what you build.

Our little project was tight to a budget too, and the expectation was it would cash only, so I worked a second job for most of the build (nearly 2yrs), so I would have additional funds. In the end we feel good about it, and I am glad to say I do not feel regret or am haunted by "if I only did this instead..." comments. That would be the worse. Instead the time I had to plan, and the budget kept me from rushing to quickly and instead I have a deep sense of satisfaction, as you will too!

Keep me updated, if don't mind?
Zulu
post #55 of 234
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The early years...



When I lived in my Condo, and cash was a dream.


First few years in our new home, no money to spare...but I saw things...like walls that could move...
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Here is photo of the room with ambient light allowed in through a window. Normally the window has blinds that are closed, and then two large wooden shutters that close over the blinds. Soon I plan to cover the shutters with an accoustic panel.

post #58 of 234
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A little history lesson,

This bad boy was responsible for a lot of trouble. The drain was directly below the wall that separated the old guest room, from the old family room. Once a leak was detected, I was forced to pull up the carpet on both sides of the wall, and then subsequently tear down the wall and hire a plumber. It was necessary for the plumber to jack hammer the concrete to access the drain pipe. He then did a better than necessary job, and charged me a bazillion dollars for four hours work. Afterwards, it was completely necessary to not rebuild the wall, or the old guest room; it was crucial we instead build a Theatre Room...







1 Leaking Drain Pipe
2 Soiled carpets
1 Demolished Wall
1 Expensive Plumber

= 1 Awesome Theatre Room...Priceless$$$

I also deny all alligations as non-sense, that I caused the leak, pure hear-say! How many shoes and purses does it take to clear a guilty conscience? I'm guessing it will never be enough...
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Our little project was tight to a budget too, and the expectation was it would cash only, so I worked a second job for most of the build (nearly 2yrs), so I would have additional funds. In the end we feel good about it, and I am glad to say I do not feel regret or am haunted by "if I only did this instead..." comments. That would be the worse. Instead the time I had to plan, and the budget kept me from rushing to quickly and instead I have a deep sense of satisfaction, as you will too!

Mine will be a "cash only" kind of venture too. It may be a while until I even start, depending on the length of the "honeydo" list for the new place (and other factors - like how high I can push this on the "home improvement list", especially since other projects - like redoing bathrooms, etc - will come out of the same not-enormous money pot).

Like I said, I'm in no rush. It's a luxury item, and for me - as a DIY kind of guy - the journey is at least as good as the destination.

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Keep me updated, if don't mind?
Zulu

I'll be starting a build thread sometime after we move, since one of the very top items on the honeydo list is minor mold remediation... in the future theater location. (Then I'll probably turn that space into a temporary workshop during construction for making the adjacent room into a storage room / server room / extended pantry. Lots of custom shelving and such to build.) I'll try to remember to come back here and provide a link. Thanks for your interest!
post #60 of 234
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Here are two amazing movies being released on Blu-ray. Both of these were recently reviewed in the printed copy of Home Theater Magazine. The reviewer raved about the sound and video quality.


The Thin Red Line was transfered by the Criterion Collection, and used 4K cameras, for amazing detail.



Apocalypse Now has an audio transfer that was completed to a meticulous level by the orginal sound engineer and man who created it. As reviewed it is totally immersive and impressive.
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