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post #1891 of 3016
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Originally Posted by djc11369 View Post

An Apple TV is limited even jail broken, besides the fact that the current generation can't be yet. If you want something that will decode anything check out the Mede8er products. Even the Pivos Xios would be a better option over an Apple TV.

I have the Pivos XIOS DS running XBMC-Linux. It's quite nice but it's very different than the ATV. You don't really get any premium services, AirPlay is not really there, etc ... The Mede8er and other general media players have no premium content and never will since their main, but not only, purpose is to run grey sourced media.

philip
post #1892 of 3016
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Originally Posted by browerjs View Post

Since I'm getting sucked into the Apple ecosystem more and more (iPhones, iPad, MacBook), I'm thinking about getting rid of my Netgear NeoTV550 and switching to an AppleTV for streaming purposes.

Currently all my BluRays are ripped to movie only ISO, so it is my understanding that I will have to convert all of these to mp4. Is there any free software that does this (BDISO->MP4) directly w/o intermediate steps, or do I need to buy something like DVDFab.

I have all my content stored on a Netgear ReadyNAS, but it is my understanding that I have to have iTunes open to use the AppleTV. No streaming directly from the ReadyNAS. If iTunes is open on my MacBook, does it actually stream from the NAS to my MacBook to the ATV, or does it go directly from the NAS to the ATV, and just use iTunes for the location information? My ATV would be hardwired, so I'd like to minimize the WiFi. If I start streaming with iTunes open and someone is using the MacBook and shuts the lid, will the streaming stop?

I have no real interest in buying an ATV2 and jailbreaking.

We have similar setups: I have both Mac's and Windows computers in the house, a couple of Netgear ReadyNAS's, and a Netgear NeoTV 550.

For a couple of years, I stored all my iTunes music on the NAS, and pointed iTunes to that location. However, it would frequently drop and revert to the default Mac HDD, so I eventually gave up, and store the music in both places (on the NAS as a backup). I never could get the built-in iTunes streaming server on the ReadyNAS to work, but I never tried that hard, either.

I have all my DVD movies ripped and stored on the NAS; the NeoTV 550 works great for playing those VIDEO_TS folders with full menu support. I use My Movies Collection Management to embed the cover artwork in the folders, so I can see those on screen via the NeoTV 550. I have thought about making the move to store the movies on the ATV (I have one already), but am concerned about the artwork and metadata management.

Recently, I decided to configure an older Core 2 Duo PC for use as a media center machine connected to my HDMI distribution system. Using My Movies via WMC should be a great improvement over the NeoTV 550, at least from the perspective of the UI.

Mark
post #1893 of 3016
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

I have the Pivos XIOS DS running XBMC-Linux. It's quite nice but it's very different than the ATV. You don't really get any premium services, AirPlay is not really there, etc ... The Mede8er and other general media players have no premium content and never will since their main, but not only, purpose is to run grey sourced media.
philip

His direction was to play anything he could throw at it which clearly ATV isn't the device. I agree Pivos isn't really a great option either but it does have more format support than MP4. I just recently purchased a Mede8er product for playing my BD rips, it will never play grey sourced media as I have no desire, but it has an extensive format support. Will it work for everything out there? I doubt it.

I've tried the Airplay feature twice on the ATV for when I actually found a time I'd like to use it, once for HBOGo and once for Amazon Instant Video of which it wouldn't work for either time. As far as premium services, I've already got a Roku, TiVo, and BD player. Does the ATV have a better implementation...maybe. I keep waiting for Apple to make it a great device, until then it collects dust as it doesn't offer much. My wife loves it for her iTunes music though, so if it makes her happy then it was worth the $100. smile.gif
post #1894 of 3016
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Originally Posted by djc11369 View Post

As far as premium services, I've already got a Roku, TiVo, and BD player. Does the ATV have a better implementation...maybe. I keep waiting for Apple to make it a great device, until then it collects dust as it doesn't offer much. My wife loves it for her iTunes music though, so if it makes her happy then it was worth the $100. smile.gif

Premium content on the ATV + iTunes store is ok. have heard some horror stories that it takes an awfully long time for a rented or bought movie to play after you start the download. Aside from the movie portion, Airplay from clients like a iphone, ipad ipod is fantastic. Couple that with iTunes on a computer on the same network and you have a pretty sophisticated multi-zone music system in the house. This used to cost thousands of dollars to setup; at least to setup properly.

Also, many families use the ATV for family gaming while mirroring an iPad. And the Photos feature, while nothing special, it is cooler than most photo slideshow options out there.
post #1895 of 3016
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Originally Posted by bowmah View Post

Premium content on the ATV + iTunes store is ok. have heard some horror stories that it takes an awfully long time for a rented or bought movie to play after you start the download. Aside from the movie portion, Airplay from clients like a iphone, ipad ipod is fantastic. Couple that with iTunes on a computer on the same network and you have a pretty sophisticated multi-zone music system in the house. This used to cost thousands of dollars to setup; at least to setup properly.
Also, many families use the ATV for family gaming while mirroring an iPad. And the Photos feature, while nothing special, it is cooler than most photo slideshow options out there.

I have seen that mentioned ( the time to play). I have never noticed it. It has always worked great for us ( renting and playing from the iTunes store). It will buffer a bit at first ( so there is a short delay) but then when it starts it just plays great. The other approach is what our Rokus do. They start at a lower quality and work their way up to what your network can handle.

The Netflix and Hulu+ clients on the Apple TV are great. In fact the best we've tried ( to be fair I haven't tried the PS3 which is also supposed to be good for Netflix).

Just got a new Mini which also us to Airplay content to the Apple TV via mirroring. Coupled with Rowmote it's a pretty slick solution. Had been doing it with an iMac before but the problem with the iMac is there doesn't seem to be a way to turn off the screen and Airplay.

philip
post #1896 of 3016
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Originally Posted by djc11369 View Post

until then it collects dust as it doesn't offer much. My wife loves it for her iTunes music though, so if it makes her happy then it was worth the $100. smile.gif


Feel free to mail it to a dust free future smile.gif

philip
post #1897 of 3016
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

Feel free to mail it to a dust free future smile.gif
philip

I'd probably do that but when I hinted at jail breaking at one point when it's possible cold daggers shot from my wife's eyes...I think I'll keep it to maintain the peace...untouched. Women, they just don't understand the need to tear things apart. biggrin.gif
post #1898 of 3016
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

I have seen that mentioned ( the time to play). I have never noticed it. It has always worked great for us ( renting and playing from the iTunes store). It will buffer a bit at first ( so there is a short delay) but then when it starts it just plays great. The other approach is what our Rokus do. They start at a lower quality and work their way up to what your network can handle.

The Netflix and Hulu+ clients on the Apple TV are great. In fact the best we've tried ( to be fair I haven't tried the PS3 which is also supposed to be good for Netflix).

Just got a new Mini which also us to Airplay content to the Apple TV via mirroring. Coupled with Rowmote it's a pretty slick solution. Had been doing it with an iMac before but the problem with the iMac is there doesn't seem to be a way to turn off the screen and Airplay.
philip

Great to hear your have your ATV working to meet your needs. I am on the other end of the spectrum, never buy anything, just use it to Airplay from clients, photos and most of all, music!
post #1899 of 3016
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bowmah View Post

have heard some horror stories that it takes an awfully long time for a rented or bought movie to play after you start the download.
Apple has a lot of bandwith via Akamai (and others) so time to start is dependent on the consumer's bandwidth and Apple is quite conservative with how much of the customer's bandwidth they use for downloading large media files. A two hour HD (either flavor) program takes a long time to download over a 3Mbs link. The math is straightforward after you determine the average download speed.
post #1900 of 3016
How does music from iTunes on my iMac, assuming it was uploaded lossless, streamed via Airplay through Apple TV to my theater system (planning a Pioneer SC-68 to replace an older B&K and an Oppo 105 to replace my first gen. Denon BluRay), compare sonically with putting a CD into the Oppo and listening to it? Or, for that matter attaching my ipod with the lossless music files, directly to the receiver?
In other words, is there some loss of quality due to any part of that path, most notably the streaming over WiFi?
post #1901 of 3016
I have my iTunes on Windows 7 PC. It runs wirelessly to Apple TV. CD's are ripped lossless. When Airplay works, it sounds as good as a CD played on an Oppo BDP-83 to a Denon 891. There are settings to make in iTunes equalizer. I believe I have it off.
post #1902 of 3016
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Originally Posted by rmgrenley View Post

How does music from iTunes on my iMac, assuming it was uploaded lossless, streamed via Airplay through Apple TV to my theater system (planning a Pioneer SC-68 to replace an older B&K and an Oppo 105 to replace my first gen. Denon BluRay), compare sonically with putting a CD into the Oppo and listening to it? Or, for that matter attaching my ipod with the lossless music files, directly to the receiver?
In other words, is there some loss of quality due to any part of that path, most notably the streaming over WiFi?

IMO yes an audible loss of quality when streaming to ATV compared to cd played on oppo 105. All files streamed to ATV are converted only to 48khz from their native such as cd at 44.1 or hd at 96/24. I love my ATV as its interface is exceptional. But if your ears and audio system are top shelf look at other streamers. Oh yes there is no FLAC or wav compatibility by ATV so that kills hd download formats. I added a mica ep600g2 streamer and very pleased compared to ATV. The micca was $129.
post #1903 of 3016
Pure audiophile speculation as content played from a HDD will be jitter free unlike the transport in the Oppo. Sure, there's extremely stable transports that can rival tha stability of HDD, but their cost exceeds that of the entire Oppo unit. Connect the ATV with a glass optical cable and a suitable DAC and try again. As to Hi-res audio, there's another format ready to die a 1000 well deserved deaths.
post #1904 of 3016
As I was planning to get an Apple TV, I was just wondering...when you watch YouTube on the computer, you can choose to watch a video in higher resolution if offered. How does this work on Apple TV? Will it always show at the highest resolution available on the site? including HD if available?
post #1905 of 3016
The ATV will play the video at tis highest native resolution.
post #1906 of 3016
Have two Apple TV's. I updated the first one right out of the box. When powering on the second one for the first time, it failed to "activate". It still worked and Airplay was functional when it decided to work but I could never connect to Youtube, Netflix ot Hulu Plus. It was on firmware 5.1, not 5.1.1. I tried to update, reset and restore the thing several times. It always failed. The first box restored and updated fine from it's wireless location so I decided to pull the ethernet cable from second box and try it. This worked. Why so many issues with ethernet and Airplay connections? I've reworked my network and components many many times over the last couple of weeks in an effort to keep a reliable connection. I can honestly say that it has been the worst experience I've ever had with consumer electronic devices. I like iTunes, my iphone 4S, iPad 3 and Apple TV's. It would be a thing of beauty if they all connected reliably all of the time. I find that if I just run iTunes and activate remote app and wait a few minutes, everything connects and shows up in remote app. Warm up time? Really? Are the visual graphics an iTunes only feature. When I tap the icon in the remote app, the computer screen shows the graphics. I'd like the computer screen to stay as it is and send graphics to Apple TV during playback. Is this a computer only feature? I wonder if a completely ethernet connected setup is any more reliable than one with a mix of ethernet and wireless devices, save for the iPhone.
post #1907 of 3016
Probably a network issue, IP conflict or whatever - nothing unique to Apple. Most similar devices need to be powered off and reconnected to the network at some point.
post #1908 of 3016
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tre74 View Post

It would be a thing of beauty if they all connected reliably all of the time.

You do realize that if everyone had your experience all the ATVs would have been returned to Apple don't you? So what does that suggest?
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I find that if I just run iTunes and activate remote app and wait a few minutes, everything connects and shows up in remote app. Warm up time? Really?

Well strictly speaking yes. And a delay also points to a problem on your network.
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Are the visual graphics an iTunes only feature. When I tap the icon in the remote app, the computer screen shows the graphics....

I don't know what you might be talking about here.

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I wonder if a completely ethernet connected setup is any more reliable than one with a mix of ethernet and wireless devices, save for the iPhone.

In absolute terms of course. In practical terms ... it depends.
post #1909 of 3016
Very helpful and supportive response. Now, go kick a puppy.
post #1910 of 3016
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Originally Posted by tre74 View Post

Very helpful and supportive response. Now, go kick a puppy.

No.

Provide more information and you'll get a better response. How is your network setup? What are your iTunes settings? Fwiw, my Apple TVs are the most reliable devices in my stack (all wired).
post #1911 of 3016
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Originally Posted by tre74 View Post

Have two Apple TV's. I updated the first one right out of the box. When powering on the second one for the first time, it failed to "activate". It still worked and Airplay was functional when it decided to work but I could never connect to Youtube, Netflix ot Hulu Plus. It was on firmware 5.1, not 5.1.1. I tried to update, reset and restore the thing several times. It always failed. The first box restored and updated fine from it's wireless location so I decided to pull the ethernet cable from second box and try it. This worked.

I got an ATV3 for Christmas and ran into this same problem. Initially had it plugged into an ethernet connection and it won't activate and updating the software would always crap out before finishing. Tried a couple of resets but it would always fail the activation and update. Googled around for a solution and found the answer (as you've stated) was to disconnect the ethernet cable and do everything wireless. In my case I think the problem may lie with the Trendnet unmanaged 5 port ethernet switch I use with the ATV3 and a few other streamers I have in my system, although I'm not sure about this. I'm disappointed that the ATV3 doesn't support Netflix DD+ but I have the WDTV Live for that. I do like the Airplay feature for streaming music from my iPad (1st generation) and from my Mac Mini to the ATV3 for output through my home theater sound system.
post #1912 of 3016
It also does not support 24fps playback for titles recorded with such on Netflix. It also does not support Amazon Instant Video. Airplaying Amazon from iPhone to Apple TV will result in streamed audio but no video feed.
post #1913 of 3016
The update over ethernet issue is a bug everyone is having with the Apple TV and the latest update. The solution of course is to go wireless for the update. Once that's done you can go back to being wired and it will work perfectly.
post #1914 of 3016
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Originally Posted by tre74 View Post

It also does not support 24fps playback for titles recorded with such on Netflix. It also does not support Amazon Instant Video. Airplaying Amazon from iPhone to Apple TV will result in streamed audio but no video feed.

It also would not cost $99 if fully loaded. rolleyes.gif
post #1915 of 3016
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Originally Posted by tre74 View Post

It also does not support 24fps playback for titles recorded with such on Netflix. It also does not support Amazon Instant Video. Airplaying Amazon from iPhone to Apple TV will result in streamed audio but no video feed.

I can live without 24 fps. I would LOVE if they added Amazon video, but it's a long shot, IMO, since they don't have a great track record of supporting competitor services, and Apple would rather you buy from iTunes than Amazon. But my BR player supports Amazon video, so I'm covered when I need it. I hate the interface, though, Apple's is sooooo much nicer. I watch a LOT less Amazon video than I otherwise would, as a result.
post #1916 of 3016
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

It also would not cost $99 if fully loaded. rolleyes.gif
I guess you get what you pay for... maybe that's why it doesn't work properly. biggrin.gif
post #1917 of 3016
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Originally Posted by tre74 View Post

I guess you get what you pay for... maybe that's why it doesn't work properly. biggrin.gif

It works fine for me. wink.gif
post #1918 of 3016
One wireless, two wired, and one powerline......all updated just fine. The problem is in your network, not the ATV. Blaming the ATV is like blaming your balls for hurting because your pants are too tight. Fix the pants.
post #1919 of 3016
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post

I can live without 24 fps.

I can't. You should try encoding a video with it's native frame rate for both Apple TV and another device and then play them back. The difference is jaw dropping, really.

You know what else I can't live with? No support for HD audio, which Apple clearly has no interest in ever supporting. That's another comparison that is jaw-dropping. I've been a long time supporter of Apple TV, but I've now left the walled garden for better video and sound quality.
post #1920 of 3016
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

I can't. You should try encoding a video with it's native frame rate for both Apple TV and another device and then play them back. The difference is jaw dropping, really.
You know what else I can't live with? No support for HD audio, which Apple clearly has no interest in ever supporting. That's another comparison that is jaw-dropping. I've been a long time supporter of Apple TV, but I've now left the walled garden for better video and sound quality.

I get where you're coming from, but I use my ATV more casually. Anything I actually care about, from a quality standpoint, gets watched on Blu-ray, not the ATV. The ATV is great for tv shows, older movies converted from DVD, comedies, etc. IMO, it's plenty good enough for such casual use. Event movies and movies where quality is a major concern get the blu ray treatment. No matter how good your other devices are, Netflix is only going to look so good. And HDD prices have not hit the point where it's worth it to me to rip my BRs to ISO (or similar lossless techniques) just to avoid sticking in a disc. I'm fine with 1-3gb per movie, 10-25 FB is just too much.

I don't do HD music, so again, a non-issue for me. If I was going to pursue that, though, I'd go the HTPC route, not try to make the ATV something that its not.
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