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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan in Blu-Ray is $8!! Come on, people! LOL
What are you laughing at? We are merely testing Amazon via Airplay as it was just released. No need to get snarky wink.gif
post #2282 of 3004
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

Are you getting 5.1 audio using the Amazon app and Airplay?

Nope. Just stereo. Generally its not very good via AirPlay. You're better off using a dedicated amazon app on a STB. Bluray player or TV.

Amazon HD streams at 720p

Amazon HD downloads via Tivo are 1080p/24
post #2283 of 3004
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

What are you laughing at? We are merely testing Amazon via Airplay as it was just released. No need to get snarky wink.gif

I just shake my head when I read exchanges like this, where users are shocked that streaming selections are largely nowhere near as good in pq or sq as Blu-ray. This has been a problem since video streaming has been available, which is why I've given up on relying on streaming for quality.

I go to physical media, because I know I can much more reliably get it there.
post #2284 of 3004

+1.  No comparison.

post #2285 of 3004
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

I just shake my head when I read exchanges like this, where users are shocked that streaming selections are largely nowhere near as good in pq or sq as Blu-ray. This has been a problem since video streaming has been available, which is why I've given up on relying on streaming for quality.

I go to physical media, because I know I can much more reliably get it there.
True. But I don't know anyone that honestly believes streaming matches BLU-ray at this point. It has that potential, but we have a ways to go and there are just too many variables to conquer in that chain.
post #2286 of 3004
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post


I just shake my head when I read exchanges like this, where users are shocked that streaming selections are largely nowhere near as good in pq or sq as Blu-ray. This has been a problem since video streaming has been available, which is why I've given up on relying on streaming for quality.

I go to physical media, because I know I can much more reliably get it there.

Well there's streaming and then there's streaming. Bits are bits. If you send enough of them things look fine. This is particularly relevant here because some folks call downloads from iTunes to the ATV streaming simply because you can start watching when "enough" has been buffered. The fact that no one is sending blu-ray bandwidth over the public Internet doens't mean anything more than that. I assume that ultra-violet etc. are not blu-ray quality.

Can you get 5.1 streamed? Sure. And full bandwidth.

Of course I don't see any assumption in the conversation to suggest they were expecting BD quality from Amazon.
post #2287 of 3004
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

I just shake my head when I read exchanges like this, where users are shocked that streaming selections are largely nowhere near as good in pq or sq as Blu-ray. This has been a problem since video streaming has been available, which is why I've given up on relying on streaming for quality.

I go to physical media, because I know I can much more reliably get it there.

All we were testing is if Airplay supported 5.1 audio on the Amazon titles that have 5.1

Sigh - we all know Blu-Ray will be superior - it is not even a discussion. However that doesn't mean I will have Blu-Ray for everything I would like to watch - which is why I have an Apple and follow/post in this forum......

There is good summary of the TRoK options here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474847/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-blu-ray-vs-online-vs-dvd-vs-vhs

Back to the original discussion. If Airplay had supported 5.1 audio for Amazon Instant it would have meant I could use the Apple TV for all my streaming needs (Netflix, Hulu+ and Amazon Instant) + Vudu on my Blu-Ray player.

(before someone says it the Roku's don't work for me as their color space get messed up through my receiver - almost certainly because the Roku's are RGB unlike pretty much all other consumer boxes)
Edited by undecided - 9/18/13 at 10:39am
post #2288 of 3004
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Nope. Just stereo. Generally its not very good via AirPlay. You're better off using a dedicated amazon app on a STB. Bluray player or TV.

Amazon HD streams at 720p

Amazon HD downloads via Tivo are 1080p/24

I know the differences between the download are streaming quality. Amazon is really just a back up to Vudu/iTunes/Netflix which I mainly use for streaming. Clearly Vudu and iTunes are the best quality out of these options - but sometime I can get titles on Amazon Instant that are not available elsewhere and the 720P streams with 5.1 are OK.

That is why Airplay with 5.1 on Amazon Instant would be nice as would a native Apple TV Amazon Instant app.

Edit - yes you are right Amazon Instant is not very good via AirPlay. Not only is it stereo but the 720 streams are not as good the Amazon app on a STB. I had set up a somewhat convoluted Activity on my Harmony remote to use the Amazon App on my Panasonic Plasma and while it works there are two downsides - my TV only outputs stereo on ARC and the apps on my TV don't use either the calibrated picture settings or even the THX picture settings. Hopefully we'll get a native Apple TV Amazon Instant app
Edited by undecided - 9/18/13 at 10:08pm
post #2289 of 3004
Update is available for ATV. Includes iTunes Radio, iCloud photos and streaming.
post #2290 of 3004
This one takes a while to "prepare" but it's got some good new features.
post #2291 of 3004
No Plex ?
post #2292 of 3004
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

I know the differences between the download are streaming quality. Amazon is really just a back up to Vudu/iTunes/Netflix which I mainly use for streaming. Clearly Vudu and iTunes are the best quality out of these options - but sometime I can get titles on Amazon Instant that are not available elsewhere and the 720P streams with 5.1 are OK.

That is why Airplay with 5.1 on Amazon Instant would be nice as would a native Apple TV Amazon Instant app.

Edit - yes you are right Amazon Instant is not very good via AirPlay. Not only is it stereo but the 720 streams are not as good the Amazon app on a STB. I had set up a somewhat convoluted Activity on my Harmony remote to use the Amazon App on my Panasonic Plasma and while it works there are two downsides - my TV only outputs stereo on ARC and the apps on my TV don't use either the calibrated picture settings or even the THX picture settings. Hopefully we'll get a native Apple TV Amazon Instant app

As I said the best amazon client is funnily enough the tivo. Sadly that doesn't support prime content though and the app GUI is horrible. That said purchased content is downloaded and played on the tivo in 1080p@24/DD+. Certainly Comparable to Vudu hdx and iTunes 1080p.
post #2293 of 3004
iTunes Festival in the update has some cool stuff.

Also was able to save favorites in internet radio.
post #2294 of 3004
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

iTunes Festival in the update has some cool stuff.

Also was able to save favorites in internet radio.
All of the iTunes Radio stations I created moved over to my ATV. Pretty cool.
post #2295 of 3004
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

All of the iTunes Radio stations I created moved over to my ATV. Pretty cool.

That is cool! I was setting things up on my ipad I upgraded last night when I got to bed. Nice to know when I turn on the living room system later today those stations will be waiting for me!
post #2296 of 3004
This update bricked my ATV3!! Now I have to connect it to iTunes with a USB cable. Hope it recovers.
post #2297 of 3004
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

apple doesnt give a sh*t to what the public wants. they will give you what they want and what they control.

Karma can really suck. wink.gif
post #2298 of 3004
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Karma can really suck. wink.gif

Still butthurt for being wrong and called out I see.

And since you seem to want to know about me, it's already fixed.
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

No Plex ?
What does this question mean?
post #2300 of 3004
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

What does this question mean?

I meant if the Plex app still doesn't work?
post #2301 of 3004
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

Still butthurt for being wrong and called out I see.

And since you seem to want to know about me, it's already fixed.
So how did you fix it. Mine seems to be bricked with the update.
post #2302 of 3004
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Originally Posted by frankhj View Post

So how did you fix it. Mine seems to be bricked with the update.

Plug it into your computer with a micro USB cable, open up iTunes, click on the Apple TV, then click restore. It will restore it with the new update.
post #2303 of 3004
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

Plug it into your computer with a micro USB cable, open up iTunes, click on the Apple TV, then click restore. It will restore it with the new update.
Thanks, I did a search and found that solution. All is good again.
post #2304 of 3004
Apple pulled the update because there is a widespread of bricking.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/22/4758704/apple-tv-update-pulled-causing-deleted-content-unusable-device
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Apple's latest Apple TV update may be causing big problems for its users. The company has seemingly pulled the major software update that it began rolling out earlier this week after it began rendering some Apple TVs unusable and deleting content on others, reports both iMore and 9to5Mac. The update to Apple TV version 6.0 enabled iTunes Radio, music purchasing, and additional iCloud integration, and was released alongside the new iPhones on Friday. We can confirm that some Apple TVs aren't seeing the software update, and have reached out to Apple to learn more.

The new software update reportedly hasn't caused issues for all users, but it's apparently problematic enough that Apple has taken action. According to iMore, the issue isn't so severe as to completely ruin the devices, but it does require troubleshooting the Apple TV through a computer and restoring its software. While Apple is yet to add a wealth of additional functionality to the Apple TV, it has been adding more and more channels and features over the past several months. With the latest update pulled, it seems that owners will have to wait just a bit longer to get even some basic new features.
post #2305 of 3004
I guess I should feel lucky as the update didn't brick my Apple TV?
post #2306 of 3004
It just works...except when it doesn't. smile.gif
post #2307 of 3004
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Originally Posted by djc11369 View Post

It just works...except when it doesn't. smile.gif
Ain't that the truth.
post #2308 of 3004
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

Apple pulled the update because there is a widespread of bricking.
I've read this in a few places but the ipsw files are still available. I'm not inclined to revert, even if I could, to test.
post #2309 of 3004
Wow, I guess I should feel lucky. I updated both of my ATV3 without a problem.
post #2310 of 3004
I was able to update both of mine as well.
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