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post #2581 of 3001
There are many people on the Apple Discussion forums saying that Airplay from an iPhone / iPad seems to work better than the Apple TV native app (which has been getting slow streams for me for 2.5 weeks now).

So I gave it a try and sure enough it seems to work pretty reliably for me.

iPhone gets 3000 kbps on the Example Short (I think 3000 kbps is the limit with Netflix Airplay from the iPhone). iPad gets 4300 kbps consistently (not sure if 4300 kbps is the limit of Netflix Airplay from the iPad).

At face value this is strange - when using Airplay it is still the Apple TV streaming data from Netflix - but it does seem to be another indication that something is up with the native Apple TV Netflix app.
post #2582 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

I still have the bps problem with Netflix but no problem on Chromecast any time of day.

I see the same - no problems with my Chromecast.
post #2583 of 3001
Two ATV 3's and one ATV 2 in the house. No issues at all and running the latest software. Cox 50dn 8up service. I have no cable and only use streaming and occasional OTA HD. Not to say it isn't a problem, but not for me.
post #2584 of 3001
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

There are many people on the Apple Discussion forums saying that Airplay from an iPhone / iPad seems to work better than the Apple TV native app (which has been getting slow streams for me for 2.5 weeks now).

So I gave it a try and sure enough it seems to work pretty reliably for me.

iPhone gets 3000 kbps on the Example Short (I think 3000 kbps is the limit with Netflix Airplay from the iPhone). iPad gets 4300 kbps consistently (not sure if 4300 kbps is the limit of Netflix Airplay from the iPad).

At face value this is strange - when using Airplay it is still the Apple TV streaming data from Netflix - but it does seem to be another indication that something is up with the native Apple TV Netflix app.
Where can I get the example short?
post #2585 of 3001
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

Where can I get the example short?

Search Netflix for Example Short 23.976.
post #2586 of 3001
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Originally Posted by jgiddyup View Post

Two ATV 3's and one ATV 2 in the house. No issues at all and running the latest software. Cox 50dn 8up service. I have no cable and only use streaming and occasional OTA HD. Not to say it isn't a problem, but not for me.

Yes, it doesn't seem to be a universal problem otherwise there would be huge outcry from owners. But for others the performance of the ATV3 was severely impacted by the latest firmware.

My own recent experience was that my ATV3 was working fine with the old firmware and the minute I installed the latest version its performance went out the window.

I'm not too concerned since I use it infrequently and use the Roku 3 for Netflix/Amazon/VUDU and WDTV Live for NAS streaming.
post #2587 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

I'm not too concerned since I use it infrequently and use the Roku 3 for Netflix/Amazon/VUDU and WDTV Live for NAS streaming.

How does the Roku 3 compare to ATV3 for Netflix streaming?  Streams on Roku 3 tend to start out with crappy resolution and then get good after a minute or so. Does the ATV3 start out with good resolution and keep it? Or does it also start weak like Roku and then get good and keep it?

post #2588 of 3001
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Originally Posted by pqwk50 View Post

How does the Roku 3 compare to ATV3 for Netflix streaming?  Streams on Roku 3 tend to start out with crappy resolution and then get good after a minute or so. Does the ATV3 start out with good resolution and keep it? Or does it also start weak like Roku and then get good and keep it?

It used to until about 3 weeks ago - normally starting at 3850 kbps and jumping quickly to 5800 kbps.

However for many people problems started 3 weeks ago with the Apple TV and Netflix streaming with it never or rarely getting the highest resolution.

Everything apart from Netflix works fine on the Apple TV.
post #2589 of 3001
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

There are many people on the Apple Discussion forums saying that Airplay from an iPhone / iPad seems to work better than the Apple TV native app
I tried that and like changing playback settings it had a transient effect. And then it actually got worse. In one instance it did trigger a source change from the Netflix CDN to Limelight but there was no bit-rate change.

I'm just going to stick with Netflix on TiVo. I prefer "HD" quaility to the fuzzy not quite VCR quality. I also like the new "cinema" UI so although I'm sure Apple/Netflix will resolve the issue it's not relevant to me.
post #2590 of 3001
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

There are many people on the Apple Discussion forums saying that Airplay from an iPhone / iPad seems to work better than the Apple TV native app
I tried that and like changing playback settings it had a transient effect. And then it actually got worse. In one instance it did trigger a source change from the Netflix CDN to Limelight but there was no bit-rate change.

I'm just going to stick with Netflix on TiVo. I prefer "HD" quaility to the fuzzy not quite VCR quality. I also like the new "cinema" UI so although I'm sure Apple/Netflix will resolve the issue it's not relevant to me.

Odd, I have an ATV3 going via my Google TV's HDMI port and use the GTV controller (the Sony GS7) to control the ATV3 ( to get return just have the ATV learn a new remote- bottom left of the trackpad is what I have assigned as Menu).
Netflix SuperHD is behaving and looking as it has for months. Our Roku3 just got Profiles so it's back in use for Netflix and apart from the slow start I see little difference.

Philip
post #2591 of 3001
Do any of you know if I can hook up Apple TV to an old TV without HDMI input?
post #2592 of 3001
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

I tried that and like changing playback settings it had a transient effect. And then it actually got worse. In one instance it did trigger a source change from the Netflix CDN to Limelight but there was no bit-rate change.

I'm just going to stick with Netflix on TiVo. I prefer "HD" quaility to the fuzzy not quite VCR quality. I also like the new "cinema" UI so although I'm sure Apple/Netflix will resolve the issue it's not relevant to me.

Strange it seems to work consistently for me. Ramps quickly up to 4300 kbps (never more which I am starting to think is an Airplay limitation from my iPad).

It seems as reliable as the Netflix Apple TV native app has been unreliable recently (never getting above 1750 kbps and often less).
Edited by undecided - 12/1/13 at 12:03am
post #2593 of 3001
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

At face value this is strange - when using Airplay it is still the Apple TV streaming data from Netflix - but it does seem to be another indication that something is up with the native Apple TV Netflix app.
I haven't been following this thread for a while, but happened to read some recent posts yesterday. Last night we went to watch a Neflix movie on my front-projector setup. PQ was pretty awful for the first couple of minutes, so remembering the recent posts here, I stopped it and started it via my iPhone 5 and AirPlayed it. Sure enough, PQ was much better.

I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix (possibly with Apple's assistance) has been fine-tuning the AirPlay experience lately, to bring it up to parity with the Google Chromecast method/quality. I was always under the impression that when using AirPlay that you were always sending the content through the mobile iOS device, but I read some things a month or two ago which claimed that the AirPlay technology supported the same type of thing that Chromecast does, whereby the iOS device acts simply as a remote and "hands off" the streaming duties to the Apple TV. In the past, AirPlaying Netlix content was noticeably worse than playing it direct from the Apple TV. Now, lately, it seems reversed, and as I stated, I wouldn't be surprised if it's due to some experimentation on Netflix/Apple's part to improve the experience when using AirPlay. Hopefully they'll fix the Apple TV-only issues soon, though.

So, just to clarify, has anyone confirmed that when using an iOS device and AirPlay, the video stream is *not* traveling through the iOS device and is being dealt with entirely by the Apple TV?
post #2594 of 3001
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Originally Posted by oldhouse View Post

Do any of you know if I can hook up Apple TV to an old TV without HDMI input?

There's a pic on the Apple website of the back of the unit. It appears the only video connection available is HDMI. Some of the Roku models offer analog video connections for older TVs.
post #2595 of 3001
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Do any of you know if I can hook up Apple TV to an old TV without HDMI input?

Does the TV have a DVI input?
post #2596 of 3001
I have an ATV3 V1 in the living room, and am buying a second one for my son's room. Though I know the two devices are supposed to be functionally identical, are there performance improvements or better protocol support in the V2 units over the V1? Much of what I play is material that has been converted via Handbrake, though I do some MLB.tv playing too during the baseball season. I didn't know if there were subtle differences that would make it worthwhile to shuffle the V1 box to his room versus keeping my setup and just plopping the V2 in there.
post #2597 of 3001
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Originally Posted by srauly View Post

So, just to clarify, has anyone confirmed that when using an iOS device and AirPlay, the video stream is *not* traveling through the iOS device and is being dealt with entirely by the Apple TV?
Yes. AirPlay does both data and control. It's been speculated that it's not as capable as DiAL but I don't think the control specifications are public. Of course if you kill the Netflix app the ATV goes back to the previous app.

If I were to speculate I'd say an iPad gets a different stream type than the ATV. Besides the apparent bit-rate limit (3000/4000 vs. 5800) why would Netflix send multi-channel audio to an iPad just to have to convert it down to two? They seem quite invested in network efficiency.

By the way, I just transferred the test clip from my iPad Mini2,5 (1st gen) where it was running at 3000. It dropped to 235 and then ramped up to 4300.
post #2598 of 3001
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

Netflix SuperHD is behaving and looking as it has for months.

I'm a brand new Netflix streaming customer (since they unbundled disc and stream) so I don't know how things were and particularly how they were before the 7.0.4 update but given a current configuration the recent problem seems common and wide-spread in the US. I think I read a comment from the UK that said it was a problem there too but I could misremember.

It would be nice if Apple pushed an update that fixed the problem. Then one could be fairly confident it was a Apple issue. A Netflix update could be a bug fix or a work-around for an ATV3 specific defect.
post #2599 of 3001
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Originally Posted by srauly View Post


So, just to clarify, has anyone confirmed that when using an iOS device and AirPlay, the video stream is *not* traveling through the iOS device and is being dealt with entirely by the Apple TV?

Confirming bodosom's comments I can clearly see on my router that once the stream starts there is only background data going to my iPad (or iPhone) while the stream goes directly to the Apple TV.

This seems to work reliably for me - although it does seem to be limited to 4300 kbps (maybe an Airplay limitation). I am using the 3rd Generation iPad

While it works it really doesn't help me - my Chromecast (just a different button on the IOS App) gets 5800 kbps and DD+

Ideally I would like to see Netflix Apple TV App fixed as this is my preferred viewing device (family friendly as it works seamlessly with the Harmony remote).
post #2600 of 3001
My new ATV 3rd Gen is supposed to arrive today. I am replacing my 1st gen ATV. The 1st ATV was purchased as a music storage and playback device. Always used the iPad Remote app to control it. It contains 4500 songs and 6000 photos. I subscribe to itunes match for listening to music on my other i-devices.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to setup the new ATV? If I play a song on the iPad which is off the match cloud and then want to play it on the ATV is it better to send it through Airplay or stop the iPad and start the ATV with the remote app. Scanning this thread sounds like either way does the same thing.

Finally there is the option of Home Sharing my library which seems a little redundant since the music is already in the cloud. Should I leave home sharing off. I have never used it before.

I won't even ask about my photos yet...

Thanks for any suggestions.

Andy
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Originally Posted by allowiches View Post

My new ATV 3rd Gen is supposed to arrive today. I am replacing my 1st gen ATV. The 1st ATV was purchased as a music storage and playback device. Always used the iPad Remote app to control it. It contains 4500 songs and 6000 photos. I subscribe to itunes match for listening to music on my other i-devices.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to setup the new ATV? If I play a song on the iPad which is off the match cloud and then want to play it on the ATV is it better to send it through Airplay or stop the iPad and start the ATV with the remote app. Scanning this thread sounds like either way does the same thing.

Finally there is the option of Home Sharing my library which seems a little redundant since the music is already in the cloud. Should I leave home sharing off. I have never used it before.

I won't even ask about my photos yet...

Thanks for any suggestions.

Andy

I'd play it through the ATV as it's easy to use (my wife and child can do it) and it's just one less thing to have to do, meaning using airplay on your phone or ipad. Home sharing is nice if you have a lot of videos that you didn't purchase off of itunes but still want to play them on the ATV, but other than that situation I don't ever use home sharing. Enjoy!
post #2602 of 3001
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Originally Posted by allowiches View Post

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to setup the new ATV?
There isn't really any set-up.
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If I play a song on the iPad which is off the match cloud and then want to play it on the ATV is it better to send it through Airplay or stop the iPad and start the ATV with the remote app.
Try each.
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Finally there is the option of Home Sharing my library which seems a little redundant since the music is already in the cloud.
I prefer keeping things locally but the more compelling argument is volume and type of content. If you have something unique (after all not everything is available from iTunes) then you have to keep it locally. In my case I have a moderate library of home video which I like to watch on the ATV (mostly sourced from iPhones). Even if there was cloud support for these items it seems silly to me to store hundreds of gigabytes of video and waste time and bandwidth each time I want to watch one. I waste enough time preparing them.
post #2603 of 3001
Thanks for the suggestions. I hooked up the ATV last night and within 15 minutes I had my entire music library showing through iTunes Match. A few more minutes to remove the old ATV and connect the with the iPad remote app and I was playing music from the iPad.

I only have a few home videos and a couple of movies purchased from non-apple sources. If I ever want to view them on the ATV I'll turn on home sharing,

Thanks again!
post #2604 of 3001
Does anyone know what resolution the Amazon Instant Video app Airplays in?
post #2605 of 3001
To my eyes it's still 720p it's not as sharp as the 1080p I receive on the ps3.
post #2606 of 3001
A few new channels were added today (abc, crackle, Bloomberg and a Korea channel)
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A few new channels were added today (abc, crackle, Bloomberg and a Korea channel)

WD media players got DTSMA.
post #2608 of 3001
Just posted this on the Apple Forums so sorry for cross posting.
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After using the Roku 3 for weeks with really no major problems I decided to actually try the ATV again. I ran the example short and it started out in glorious Super HD 1080p 5800 kbps well for at least 10 seconds then it dropped down to a fuzzy low def 240p 235kbps mess. I let it play for a while and it did ramp up slowly to 720p 3000 kbps for about 30 or so seconds and then it again dropped down to a low def mess.

I decided to try the AirPlay thing on my iPod Touch and right away it started and stayed at 720pp 3000 kbps but it would not ramp up high. Probably a limitation of the iPod Touch. I don't have a iPad to test out.

I then tried the example short on the Roku 3. It started out a fuzzy low def mess but within 30 seconds ramped up to Super HD and stayed there.

In short I use to love my ATV the week 1/2 I had no problems but now I have to use my PS3 and my Roku 3 which has annoying post play which I loved that the ATV did not have.
If this is not fixed by next month I will be disconnecting my ATV for good.
post #2609 of 3001
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

Just posted this on the Apple Forums so sorry for cross posting.
If this is not fixed by next month I will be disconnecting my ATV for good.

They are probably shaking in their boots.
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They are probably shaking in their boots.
Undoubtably
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