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post #301 of 2060
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

Very odd. Have you tried turning on only A and one ATV? What if only A and B are on? Is A a fixed ip? Is everything wired, wireless or both?

philip

Tried turning off home sharing in diff places / combos, but can never get A to show up on the aTV.. The only wireless device in this scenario is the Macbook (C) which is working fine, everything else is wired (aTV = gig, pc B = gig, pc A -= 100 mb).. I tried bypassing the 100 mb switch on that one and went straight into the wall for gigabit- but it didn't have any effect..

Not all of these devices are fixed ip, its about half and half.. I guess I could try changing that and see if anything improves but I don't know why it would..
post #302 of 2060
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Originally Posted by Hagfish View Post


Tried turning off home sharing in diff places / combos, but can never get A to show up on the aTV.. The only wireless device in this scenario is the Macbook (C) which is working fine, everything else is wired (aTV = gig, pc B = gig, pc A -= 100 mb).. I tried bypassing the 100 mb switch on that one and went straight into the wall for gigabit- but it didn't have any effect..

Not all of these devices are fixed ip, its about half and half.. I guess I could try changing that and see if anything improves but I don't know why it would..

I had the problem that my 2 ATV's weren't showing up in remote.app . It had something to do with the initial naming of the AppleTV. I had three on the network. I basically pulled the plug on them and refreshed the network after renaming them appropriately. Now they are all there.

Philip

Edit: mine are not fixed ip's. One is wired. The other is wireless and I have so many routers and switches that I am amazed it worked. It may very well be a simple refresh of the network.
post #303 of 2060
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Originally Posted by nyca View Post

I sort of answered my own question above - when I power on my television, the ATV powers up. But it really doesn't power up, just the front panel LED comes on, its not really "on" - it must see the HDMI interface from the tv lit up. Does everyone elses do the same?

Mine does that -- when I switch my receiver to the ATV, the light sometimes comes on but no picture till I hit menu.
post #304 of 2060
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Originally Posted by Hagfish View Post

Tried turning off home sharing in diff places / combos, but can never get A to show up on the aTV.. The only wireless device in this scenario is the Macbook (C) which is working fine, everything else is wired (aTV = gig, pc B = gig, pc A -= 100 mb).. I tried bypassing the 100 mb switch on that one and went straight into the wall for gigabit- but it didn't have any effect..

Not all of these devices are fixed ip, its about half and half.. I guess I could try changing that and see if anything improves but I don't know why it would..

I think you have to actually unplug them from the network, turn them off, etc... Just turning off home sharing won't fix it (it didn't for my issue that I mentioned above in post 303).

philip
post #305 of 2060
Interesting.. I tried renaming the aTV last night but it didn't do anything.. I'll try unplugging all the switches / routers in the house to see if that has any effect.. I'm starting to think that something w/ bonjour is just screwed up on this particular system.
post #306 of 2060
Anyone else having their streamed music (from a Mac Mini) continue to stream but stop producing audio. The Mini/iTunes says it's still streaming but there isn't any sound. The moment I switch iTunes from the Apple TV to my computer it works fine and starts working again when I switch back. Bandwidth shouldn't be an issue as I can stream movies without any issues.

I haven't turned on the TV set to see if there are any messages (which I will now) but since iTunes says all is well I'm guessing I won't see any. So far it appears to happen after about 4 or 5 songs. My Mini is rather busy at the time but I don't know if that makes any difference...
post #307 of 2060
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

If the LED is lit it's "on". If it's out it's sleeping/in standby/etc. or unplugged.

No, its not on. Its in some "I saw the HDMI port light up so I illuminated my LED" state. It consistently does this, this is with a SONY LCD television.
post #308 of 2060
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Originally Posted by nyca View Post

No, its not on. Its in some "I saw the HDMI port light up so I illuminated my LED" state. It consistently does this, this is with a SONY LCD television.

Either there's a bug or there's a disagreement in terminology. I was reporting what Apple says. Your experience to the apparent contrary I see no reason for Apple's description to be in error.

If Apple TV is The status light
On Glows
Off or in standby Is off
Starting up Flashes slowly
Accepting command from remote Flashes once
Rejecting command from remote Flashes three times
Having problems Flashes quickly
post #309 of 2060
There's something in HDMI that let's device control each other's states. Not everything supports it, but perhaps the AppleTV does and lets itself be turned on by your TV, for example? Speculating.
post #310 of 2060
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Originally Posted by mishakim View Post

Mine does that -- when I switch my receiver to the ATV, the light sometimes comes on but no picture till I hit menu.

Yep, that's what happens with one of my ATV's hooked up to a Samsung.

philip
post #311 of 2060
Thread Starter 
A rash of defective units is not heartening. Of course there are 250k of them out there so a handful of failures is to be expected.
post #312 of 2060
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

Yep, that's what happens with one of my ATV's hooked up to a Samsung.

philip

same here on my onkyo. it hasn't bothered me too much, though. it's nothing like my popcorn hour that i just retired. that thing had huge hdmi issues. if it ever powered off, i had to sit there and restart it 5-10 times before it would show up.
post #313 of 2060
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

A rash of defective units is not heartening. Of course there are 250k of them out there so a handful of failures is to be expected.

Are you referring to having to press a button on the remote to see a picture even though the white light is solid?

philip
post #314 of 2060
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

Anyone else having their streamed music (from a Mac Mini) continue to stream but stop producing audio. The Mini/iTunes says it's still streaming but there isn't any sound.

I stream music from my Mini and haven't had that happen. I have had the ATV screen saver on while streaming and I'd switch to a video and I'd hear the audio but not a picture until I pressed a button on the remote.

philip
post #315 of 2060
New ATV owner here and I must say, quite a purchase for $99. Love it.
post #316 of 2060
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Originally Posted by nyca View Post

No, its not on. Its in some "I saw the HDMI port light up so I illuminated my LED" state. It consistently does this, this is with a SONY LCD television.

I just finished moving my entertainment system and this happened when I flicked the switch on my surge protector. I haven't tested to see whether or not everything is ok with the Apple TV after the move, though.
post #317 of 2060
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Are you referring to having to press a button on the remote to see a picture even though the white light is solid?

philip

Yes. I doubt Apple would "accidentally" implement CEC and neglect to document it so I believe exiting stand-by because of an HDMI event is a bug.

However I wouldn't be surprised if what's happening a bit more subtle than what's being surmised. I think the ATV is ON and another HDMI bug is supressing video. Since I don't have this problem I can't do any trouble-shooting nor have a I checked the ATV forums.

With my other AVR I got an odd video zoom that was quite repeatable and required the ATV to be cold-started to clear so I'm sure the ATV-2g continues the ATV-1g's propensity for HDMI quirks.

I had some success using a monoprice switch to isolate the ATV-1g from my old, old (Sony) AVR.
post #318 of 2060
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Originally Posted by Hagfish View Post

Interesting.. I tried renaming the aTV last night but it didn't do anything.. I'll try unplugging all the switches / routers in the house to see if that has any effect.. I'm starting to think that something w/ bonjour is just screwed up on this particular system.

Finally resolved this horribly annoying problem.. It had to do w/ my nic not being in promiscuous mode (all packets allowed to be received) which screws up bonjour.. Took care of that and presto, there was the home share showing up on the ipad remote and aTV.. Finally
post #319 of 2060
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Originally Posted by Hagfish View Post

It had to do w/ my nic not being in promiscuous mode ... which screws up bonjour.

FYI, Bonjour doesn't require promiscuous mode unless, of course, your driver is borked. You do have to support/allow multicast.
post #320 of 2060
Correct- there were driver issues with this card that had to be worked around..
post #321 of 2060
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

There's something in HDMI that let's device control each other's states. Not everything supports it, but perhaps the AppleTV does and lets itself be turned on by your TV, for example? Speculating.

Yes, the SONY TV has that HDMI device control - but I have it turned off.
post #322 of 2060
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Yes, the SONY TV has that HDMI device control - but I have it turned off.

Well we can suggest my theory might be incorrect then.
post #323 of 2060
After a few more hours the audio hasn't cut off again but this morning when I turned on (I kill its power via my AV receiver) the Apple TV it was back to factory settings. All of my user settings were gone such as wireless and it was set to send data to Apple which I had set to Off. Going to swap units and see if I have any better luck.

It appears they have hit their saturation mark at least at my local Fry's. They got in 3 dozen or so a few days back and the majority of them (if not all) are still there.
post #324 of 2060
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

when I turned on (I kill its power via my AV receiver) the Apple TV it was back to factory settings.

Do you SLEEP the ATV before powering off? I assume Apple at least considers the possibility of power failures and should expect that some set of people will regularly remove power to a disk-less device. Glitches do happen, even to otherwise properly functioning equipment.
post #325 of 2060
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Do you SLEEP the ATV before powering off? I assume Apple at least considers the possibility of power failures and should expect that some set of people will regularly remove power to a disk-less device. Glitches do happen, even to otherwise properly functioning equipment.

Yep. I'm not that mean to my gear. I presume the still streaming audio without any audio wasn't the Apple TV's fault as when it happened it would still produce user interface sounds but when it lost the user settings I decided to swap.

For what it's worth I have very little bandwidth (1.5Mbps) and I compared the Netflix image to a PS3 and LG BD570. The BD570 looked very bad like Edge Enhancement was out of control creating a very coarse image. The Apple TV and PS3 were much more similar. To notice any real difference I had to freeze the image and when I did I thought the Apple TV had more detail (columns in the background appeared more defined). Of course the PS3 was upscaling the image to 1080p and the Apple TV to 720p and my set up to 1080p (my set's upscaling isn't very good).

I also noticed the Apple TV was only using .8Mbps for streaming and the PS3 used between 1.0Mbps to 1.2Mbps. Tomorrow I'll be playing around with 6Mbps and hopefully I'll be impressed with the increased speed.
post #326 of 2060
Has anyone noticed that certain movies don't display in the correct aspect ratio on the Apple TV when streamed from Netflix? I was watching Tell No One on the ATV and kept thinking that the people looked weird. So I then watched it on my Mini hooked up to the same TV. This is 720p in both cases and 16:9 selected for the TV. On the Mini the movie was perfect. On the ATV it was more like a 2.3 to 1 apse t ratio. This rarely happens but on occasion it does and is easily replicated.

The reception via the Mini uses Siverlight while the ATV does not. Perhaps that is the issue? Normally the ATV is far better in Netflix.

Philip
post #327 of 2060
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Yes. I doubt Apple would "accidentally" implement CEC and neglect to document it so I believe exiting stand-by because of an HDMI event is a bug.

However I wouldn't be surprised if what's happening a bit more subtle than what's being surmised. I think the ATV is ON and another HDMI bug is supressing video. Since I don't have this problem I can't do any trouble-shooting nor have a I checked the ATV forums.

With my other AVR I got an odd video zoom that was quite repeatable and required the ATV to be cold-started to clear so I'm sure the ATV-2g continues the ATV-1g's propensity for HDMI quirks.

I had some success using a monoprice switch to isolate the ATV-1g from my old, old (Sony) AVR.


I dont think its a bug. the gen1 atv behaved the same way and definetely managed its power state based on the state of the connected HDMI device.

For example: if the AVR was off the ATV will not show up as a valid airtunes set of speakers. once the AVR is on, the ATV wakes up and now can act as a remote set of speakers.

Sean
post #328 of 2060
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

I dont think its a bug. the gen1 atv behaved the same way and definetely managed its power state based on the state of the connected HDMI device.

And based on my experience I can say it definitely doesn't work that way.

ATV-1g: State is independent of power state of AVR. Doesn't transmit status when "sleeping" and hence not visible as Airtunes target. "Wakes" from "sleep" running screensaver.

ATV-2g: State is independent of power state of AVR. Sends RAOP traffic while "sleeping" and hence is visible as Airtunes/Airplay target. "Wakes" from "sleep" when connected as speakers.

My ATV-1g has been used with three AVRs and and three HDMI switches. It's never shown any tendency to exit "sleep" mode based on HDMI state. It's also reasonably apparent that there is little difference between "sleep" and not "sleep" with the ATV-2g.
post #329 of 2060
Sucks that the new Apple TV resamples audio to 48KHz including Apple lossless (ALAC) 44.1 KHz m4a files
post #330 of 2060
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Originally Posted by Kris404 View Post

Sucks that the new Apple TV resamples audio to 48KHz including Apple lossless (ALAC) 44.1 KHz m4a files

Sounds like that's a bad thing. Sound quality is important to me, I'm streaming my library from my Mac to the ATV, (most are originally Apple Lossless or WAV). Sounds good to me which I know matters most....but are you suggesting that I'm really hearing a really compressed sound like an mp3 might sound? Thanks. Mike
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