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post #331 of 3001
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Originally Posted by jackstrawphilly View Post

I'm streaming my library from my Mac to the ATV, (most are originally Apple Lossless or WAV).

It's not quite the same. If you ripped CDs on a Mac as Apple Lossless or WAV files then the files are already 16/44 and will be resampled slightly to 16/48. If you get high resolution files (e.g. commercial 24/96 FLAC releases) and convert them to ALE (at the same resolution) then they will be resampled to 16/48 before being sent to an ATV.
post #332 of 3001
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The effect of resampling on audio content is complex and subtle. I haven't seen any proper testing on output but I doubt it's audible when done properly. There's also the possibility that even if you avoid resampling in the software space that your component chain can be doing it in the hardware space. If you're happy with the sound then problem solved. If you're not happy listen to some low-res mp3 files for a while (ideally using low-rent earbuds) then return to your "stereo". Voila.
post #333 of 3001
Searched on the Apple site but didn't come up with anything on this.

Sometimes when trying to play movies or TV shows off NetFlix I get a HDCP error saying something to the affect that my HDMI output on the ATV isnt supported or something. Once it happens on one video it quickly does the same on all you try to access. The only way I have found to get it to work is to reset factory settings.

Not sure what the fix is or even what the error is and would like some input.
post #334 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Mike Freas View Post

Sometimes when trying to play movies or TV shows off NetFlix I get a HDCP error

That's happened to me once, but not with netflix. I stopped, moved to the top menu and restarted the video. Assuming nothing else in your system has changed it sounds like you're developing and HDMI problem. Unfortunately any component between the source and the display can be the culprit. If other protected content does play it suggests the ATV is at fault.
post #335 of 3001
For those haven't seen this... Pretty exciting stuff
post #336 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Hagfish View Post
For those haven't seen this... Pretty exciting stuff
For a lot I think if you lose Netflix you lose most of the excitement.
post #337 of 3001
I would think when its all said and done things like plex will be able to be launched as an app- and give you the ability to go into the standard mode w/ netflix, etc all in place.
post #338 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Hagfish View Post

I would think when its all said and done things like plex will be able to be launched as an app- and give you the ability to go into the standard mode w/ netflix, etc all in place.

You know, there was a time when I loved Plex. Perhaps it's ok now but when I think of it I just don't feel the excitement. I even prefer XBMC. Plex went wild with apps at one point, and then there was the issue of getting my remote working with it under Snow Leopard. Their emphasis on Library mode was yet another negative for me since the scraping wasn't foolproof. I would rather not see it on the ATV.

Philip

Edit: I do admit that getting those apps on the new ATV is neat. But, it's not worth the loss of Netflix. Moreover, I suspect Airplay is going to make all of this irrelevant. My first generation ATV has a Crystal HD card and can do a heck of a lot running XBMC, but the new ATV with Airplay sounds much more exciting. Of course things will get even more interesting if Apple opens up apps for the ATV. Then jail braking it will make no sense at all. This desire to run a zillion codecs is understandable, but I think we should be getting rid of codecs and not keeping them around. It's a bit like the days of sound cards on PC's. That too was a nightmare.
post #339 of 3001
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... This desire to run a zillion codecs is understandable ...

As long as codecs are considered a competitive advantage vendors are not going to settle on just one and they're not going to give them away. As long as Apple (and Oppo and ...) decline to support DVD/BD images people are going to be inclined to solve that problem.

Apple doesn't care much and that's always going to cause a bit friction between them and everyone (customers and competitors) else.
post #340 of 3001
HELP!!!!

After installing snow leopard, I cannot get my apple TV to pop up on iTunes, nor can I get home sharing to work. Both home sharings are turned on (itunes and apple tv). The apple tv is connected to my wifi as I can get netflix, youtube, et al, but I cant recognize my iMac library.

I have 10.6.4 installed and the latest version of iTunes. I unplugged my apple tv and replugged it in to no avail.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS!!!
post #341 of 3001
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Originally Posted by ratm View Post
HELP!!!!

After installing snow leopard, I cannot get my apple TV to pop up on iTunes, nor can I get home sharing to work. Both home sharings are turned on (itunes and apple tv). The apple tv is connected to my wifi as I can get netflix, youtube, et al, but I cant recognize my iMac library.

I have 10.6.4 installed and the latest version of iTunes. I unplugged my apple tv and replugged it in to no avail.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS!!!
The new ATV does not show up in iTunes. You need the very latest iTunes for the new ATV. In the new ATV your Mac will show up provided you enable homesharing on it and the ATV. Use the same account otherwise the ATV won't see your Mac.

I assume the ATV is on the same network as the Mac?

philip
post #342 of 3001
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Originally Posted by pmcd

The new ATV does not show up in iTunes. You need the very latest iTunes for the new ATV. In the new ATV your Mac will show up provided you enable homesharing on it and the ATV. Use the same account otherwise the ATV won't see your Mac.

I assume the ATV is on the same network as the Mac?

philip
Yup. And I had to unplug the atv to let it reset and then plug it back in. That seemed to get it to work with home sharing.
post #343 of 3001
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post
As long as codecs are considered a competitive advantage vendors are not going to settle on just one and they're not going to give them away. As long as Apple (and Oppo and ...) decline to support DVD/BD images people are going to be inclined to solve that problem.

Apple doesn't care much and that's always going to cause a bit friction between them and everyone (customers and competitors) else.
H.264 has pretty well become the standard codec. divx, xvid, etc... are now the equivalent of ms-dos. The only real question surrounds containers, and the only issue there is what to do about mkv. I don't know what will happen to that very flexible and therefore hard to support container. It's obviously popular, but not in the commercial video world. As for dvd/bd images it would be very difficult for Apple and others to support them when backing disks up in the US is considered illegal. Apple is moving away from physical disks anyway so that's a bit of a moot point. They even ship their OS on flash ram with the new Air's.

I doubt that Apple sees itself competing with the mkv gang. They just can't and maintain good relations with the content providers. I don't see MS or Sony providing a lot of support in that direction either.

Most of the mkv players are sold outside the US where laws are different.

In any case the jailbreaking gang will fill in the void. I am still amazed at what my 1stG ATV can do with that Crystal HD card.

philip
post #344 of 3001
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H.264 has pretty well become the standard codec.
I was using codec in the more specific sense, I was not referring to a standard like H.264 Main or VC-1 Simple. A great deal of the complexity of Handbrake (to pick an encoder at random) is dealing with the idiosyncratic nature of commercial decoders.

Apple's decoders will support Apple's encoders. I don't expect either to change, I don't expect the ATV to become a general media streamer/extender and I don't expect most people to switch to Apple preferred content (the iPod notwithstanding).
post #345 of 3001
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I decided to "jailbreak" my ATV and found the default configuration has 6.6G of usable space. Watching a bit of content quickly consumed half of that.
post #346 of 3001
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Originally Posted by jackstrawphilly View Post

Sounds like that's a bad thing. Sound quality is important to me, I'm streaming my library from my Mac to the ATV, (most are originally Apple Lossless or WAV). Sounds good to me which I know matters most....but are you suggesting that I'm really hearing a really compressed sound like an mp3 might sound? Thanks. Mike

It is a bad thing, prevents me from bit-streaming DTS-WAV files to my receiver for decoding DTS 5.1 audio tracks.

It is not compressed sound like MP3 but up-sampled output like using Shibatch (SSRC) on your audio files. I honestly can't tell the difference between 44.1 KHz & 48 KHz tracks but I just wish Apple TV would leave 44.1KHz WAV & ALAC files alone.
post #347 of 3001
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

I decided to "jailbreak" my ATV and found the default configuration has 6.6G of usable space. Watching a bit of content quickly consumed half of that.

Did you use the Apple video player? Are you saying that caching used the 3GB's? I assume if you stick to the 720p main profile stuff you wouldn't need that much cache. In any case one could still have apps. They don't use a lot of space.

philip
post #348 of 3001
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Apple's decoders will support Apple's encoders. I don't expect either to change, I don't expect the ATV to become a general media streamer/extender and I don't expect most people to switch to Apple preferred content (the iPod notwithstanding).

Where do you expect them to go? You surely don't expect the divx's of the world to last much longer? It seems to me the codec situation is narrowing down. Now you can tweak those to use higher profiles and stuff, but they will essentially be using the same compression. For now the 720p limited profile that Apple uses ensures that it will work wirelessly and interact well with most iDevices. I have no problems streaming stuff wirelessly throughout my home using Apple equipment ( even higher than 720p). But moving to a greater detail leads to that breaking. I'd rather have less detail but more freedom. The detail will eventually come. I don't see a pressing need for 1080p+. We just have to wait and see what AirPlay does.

philip
post #349 of 3001
Any idea if ATV 2 hardware is capable of 1080p out? Or if a jailbroken ATV2 is able to output 1080p running plex/xmbc in future?
post #350 of 3001
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

Are you saying that caching used the 3GB's?

Caching in the sense that up to some threshold the ATV copies the entire object (in this case two 1.5G television episodes) to local memory.
post #351 of 3001
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Originally Posted by gaiusparx View Post

Any idea if ATV 2 hardware is capable of 1080p out?

With some constraints yes. It's been discussed in the thread. Search for 1080p.
post #352 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

For a lot I think if you lose Netflix you lose most of the excitement.

Why? Anything can play netflix, including many garden variety Blu ray players.
post #353 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Osamede View Post

Why? Anything can play netflix, including many garden variety Blu ray players.

Because it integrates nicely with the ATV interface. I don't own anything else, other than my computers, that can play Netflix. Moreover, in Canada players that advertise Netflix rarely support it up here. For example, none of the WD players will stream Netflix in Canada nor do the Seagate players.

This thing about anything can play Netflix is a really odd statement. Not everyone has game machines and many of us who are on the streaming side of things do not really want to go the physical disk route again.

Philip
post #354 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

For a lot I think if you lose Netflix you lose most of the excitement.

I'm not sure what Netflix has to do with it. I can still watch (VHS quality) Netflix just as before.
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Originally Posted by Osamede View Post

Why? Anything can play netflix, including many garden variety Blu ray players.

None of my other components do Netflix and I already have entirely too many boxes including two other streamers.
post #355 of 3001
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

I'm not sure what Netflix has to do with it. I can still watch (VHS quality) Netflix just as before.
None of my other components do Netflix and I already have entirely too many boxes including two other streamers.

Hmm ... Netflix for me is in excellent quality on my ATV's. Certainly nothing like VHS. It's slightly better than DVD subjectively.

Philip
post #356 of 3001
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

Hmm ... Netflix for me is in excellent quality on my ATV's. Certainly nothing like VHS. It's slightly better than DVD subjectively.

Philip

Netflix quality (in the US) depends on downstream bandwidth. Most people in the US don't have much. That's a good thing given how much Netflix streaming already happens.

But the point was that Netflix access currently doesn't depend on not installing after-market software on your ATV. And really, why should it?
post #357 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

For a lot I think if you lose Netflix you lose most of the excitement.

What makes you think the addition of Plex makes you lose Netflix? Adding Plex to a jailbroken Apple TV 2 does not affect Netflix as far as I am aware. It's just an added menu item.
post #358 of 3001
I'm confused about the difference between what's available for rental vs purchase on the new Apple TV 2.0.

Here's my problem: my Dad is thinking about ditching cable for a new Apple TV. One of his favorite shows is NCIS, which is on CBS. It's available for purchase in itunes but I've heard the new Apple TV 2.0 only has rentals of Fox and ABC shows due to the new licensing agreements.

So could NCIS be purchased and viewed on the new Apple TV? I'm not talking about purchasing on a computer and shared via an itunes library-- this would be too complicated for my older father.
post #359 of 3001
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Originally Posted by tangent1138 View Post

So could NCIS be purchased and viewed on the new Apple TV? I'm not talking about purchasing on a computer and shared via an itunes library-- this would be too complicated for my older father.

CBS isn't even listed as a network on the Apple TV and I believe it's rental only now... you can't purchase movies/TV shows.
post #360 of 3001
As Charles stated (and you already surmised), only ABC and Fox have shows available for rental directly from the Apple TV, and the new Apple TV can only do rentals by way of its UI. So your options are:
1) Purchase them via a computer with iTunes and stream them to the Apple TV.
2) Purchase them via an iPhone 4, iPod Touch 4g, or iPad and stream them via AirPlay to the Apple TV (note: AirPlay for video is not out yet, but should be later this month).
3) If your father is still getting caught up on previous seasons, you could purchase them on DVD (or Blu-ray if available), and rip/convert them via Handbrake to an Apple TV compatible format. You'll need to store them on a computer w/iTunes and stream them from their.
4) Wait/hope that CBS gets on board with the iTunes rental model. Eventually, if they don't, it's quite possible that Apple might also be planning an approach whereby you *purchase* them from iTunes using the Apple TV, but Apple they keeps them stored on their servers, and lets you stream them over the internet whenever you want to watch them.
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