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post #1501 of 1877
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Originally Posted by FilmReverie View Post

Same it may also change depending on what you are watching it on, in Imax and on a sizable front projector setup the 3d to me is spectacular. Also brightness is not a consideration to me (as my projector in 2d and 3d needs the iris clamped as it is far to bright otherwise) nor is crosstalk, which once again maybe that is casuing a difference in view. It is mostly a more subtle use which could mean the smaller the screen size the less evident it may be (just guessing here). I can see 3d throughout the entire film (of course excluding the 2d segments at the start and end).

I've watched Tron Legacy on several different displays, ranging from a small 32" LCD TV to an 8-foot wide projection screen via both D-ILA and DLP projectors. The 3D on that disc has outright sucked on every display. Depth is so minimal in most of the movie that I can take off the 3D glasses and see no parallax separation on the screen. Even the big showcase scenes like the disc war and the light cycle race that would appear to be designed with 3D in mind are totally flat. The 3D in that movie is worthless, IMO.
post #1502 of 1877
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

I've watched Tron Legacy on several different displays, ranging from a small 32" LCD TV to an 8-foot wide projection screen via both D-ILA and DLP projectors. The 3D on that disc has outright sucked on every display. Depth is so minimal in most of the movie that I can take off the 3D glasses and see no parallax separation on the screen. Even the big showcase scenes like the disc war and the light cycle race that would appear to be designed with 3D in mind are totally flat. The 3D in that movie is worthless, IMO.

Agreed. I don't get all the excitement for the 3d on this one. The 3d is extremely subtle and conservative to the point that the glasses don't feel worth wearing. I can't stand conservative 3d!
post #1503 of 1877
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Agreed. I don't get all the excitement for the 3d on this one. The 3d is extremely subtle and conservative to the point that the glasses don't feel worth wearing. I can't stand conservative 3d!

We all perceive 3d differently or at least like different things about it. It is subtle but I think it works extremely well. It's not in my eyes a reference 3d title like Hugo but it is just below it.
post #1504 of 1877
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

I've watched Tron Legacy on several different displays, ranging from a small 32" LCD TV to an 8-foot wide projection screen via both D-ILA and DLP projectors. The 3D on that disc has outright sucked on every display. Depth is so minimal in most of the movie that I can take off the 3D glasses and see no parallax separation on the screen. Even the big showcase scenes like the disc war and the light cycle race that would appear to be designed with 3D in mind are totally flat. The 3D in that movie is worthless, IMO.
"totally flat," "worthless," "no parallax separation," "outright sucked," "completely flat 2D."

And yet the 3D is indeed there, even on my 24" monitor. I just don't feel the need to add more weight to my opinion, my opinion just is there, people can take it or leave it. Maybe you should re-evaluate the disc one more time.
post #1505 of 1877
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Originally Posted by cakefoo View Post

"totally flat," "worthless," "no parallax separation," "outright sucked," "completely flat 2D."

And yet the 3D is indeed there, even on my 24" monitor. I just don't feel the need to add more weight to my opinion, my opinion just is there, people can take it or leave it. Maybe you should re-evaluate the disc one more time.

I have watched the disc many times. Odd you should post as you did above about it being your opinion as of course it is only your opinion just like what I am saying is mine.
post #1506 of 1877
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Originally Posted by FilmReverie View Post

We all perceive 3d differently or at least like different things about it. It is subtle but I think it works extremely well. It's not in my eyes a reference 3d title like Hugo but it is just below it.

No doubt, and even though I don't see the excitement over Tron's 3d, I respect the fact that there are those who do feel it is a great 3d title. What makes "great" 3d as you mention can be very subjective for whatever reasons.

Watched Transformers 3 in 3d last night and while the 3d was decent, the general brightness drop part way into the film is still annoying to my eyes. I know this was talked about when this one first hit, but I had forgot about it. I would love to see this fixed as I cant imagine this was intentional.
post #1507 of 1877
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Originally Posted by FilmReverie View Post

I have watched the disc many times. Odd you should post as you did above about it being your opinion as of course it is only your opinion just like what I am saying is mine.
You're debating with Josh, not me man. smile.gif
post #1508 of 1877
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

No doubt, and even though I don't see the excitement over Tron's 3d, I respect the fact that there are those who do feel it is a great 3d title. What makes "great" 3d as you mention can be very subjective for whatever reasons.

There appears to be a small subset of viewers for whom "great 3D" means "wearing 3D glasses but not seeing any 3D." To each their own, but I don't personally understand that mindset. If you don't like 3D, just watch in 2D.
post #1509 of 1877
I think we're dealing with fans of the overall movie. It seems they would love it even if it was 1D. I personally was never impressed with it.
post #1510 of 1877
It's amazing how polarizing Tron 3d is. I think it's true that other elements of the experience can actually make the 3d seem more immersive. The audio is incredible as is the visual quality. If you loved the original Tron then add that in, too.

I watched it both on a dlp pj and a Sony hmz-t1. The 3d added a sense of scale that is not possible in 2d. It really makes you feel like you are a tiny being in a gigantic computerized world.

So maybe yes, the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts and some of us just enjoy the whole experience. But if they made a 3d version that had even better 3d, I'd be all for it!
Edited by johnsmith808 - 10/11/13 at 3:46am
post #1511 of 1877
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

There appears to be a small subset of viewers for whom "great 3D" means "wearing 3D glasses but not seeing any 3D." To each their own, but I don't personally understand that mindset. If you don't like 3D, just watch in 2D.

Once again in my eyes the best 3d photography in a feature film is Hugo a film most people agree had rather strong 3d. So maybe there is a small subset out there but I am not a part of it. My demand is that it adds to the experience, if it does it is good 3d photography if it doesn't it isn't. I also have found some scenes featuring heavy depth to distract from the film as I am noticing the depth and thus it isn't being utilized in a seamless manner that adds to the film. The heavy depth used in Hugo for me works because of the story it is telling, likewise I found the depth in the non action scenes of The Amazing Spiderman to be subtle but immersive. Where The Amazing Spiderman 3d's I felt lacked was in the action scenes which could have done with more depth (excluding the criminally mostly cut first person scene) which I fell done right could add to the sense of scale of the fights and in particular could have shown the difference in size between the hero and villain.

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It's amazing how polarizing Tron 3d is. I think it's true that other elements of the experience can actually make the 3d seem more immersive. The audio is incredible as is the visual quality. If you loved the original Tron then add that in, too.

I watched it both on a dlp pj and a Sony hmz-t1. The 3d added a sense of scale that is not possible in 2d. It really makes you feel like you are a tiny being in a gigantic computerized world.

So maybe yes, the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts and some of us just enjoy the whole experience. But if they made a 3d version that had even better 3d, I'd be all for it!

Very well said. I have also played the game Tron Evolution in 3d which uses the same visual style on pc and having heavy levels of depth with this visual style I found to be a determent to the game. I also played the game before I saw the film. But i'm not surprised at this stage that a film that uses 3d in a subtle manner is not liked by all. I however can sleep soundly knowing that one of my favorite film makers thinks such use of 3d is perfectly fine and worthwhile (Scorsese).

Also be definition if they made any film that had better 3d I would be all for it. That goes for every single 3d film out there though as better is always better. tongue.gifcool.gif
post #1512 of 1877
I watched Gravity on IMAX 3D yesterday and all I can say is WOW! Best 3D "experience" I have ever had. I watched Avatar in IMAX 3D when it came out and don't remember thinking anything special about it. As has been discussed a whole lot of things can effect your enjoyment of a movie including the story line (and I thought Avatar was overly cliché) the mood your are in when you watch the movie, and the physical setting like IMAX.
post #1513 of 1877
What's the best 3D movie or anything to try on a new Vizion 80" HDTV with a new Sony BR player? smile.gif
post #1514 of 1877
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What's the best 3D movie or anything to try on a new Vizion 80" HDTV with a new Sony BR player? smile.gif
Just use the Sony player's Netflix app and stream one or more of the 3D titles on there. There is a subsection of movies just for 3D. On disc, I just watched Star Trek into Darkness and enjoyed the 3D version of that if sci-fi is your thing.
post #1515 of 1877
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

What's the best 3D movie or anything to try on a new Vizion 80" HDTV with a new Sony BR player? smile.gif
Just use the Sony player's Netflix app and stream one or more of the 3D titles on there. There is a subsection of movies just for 3D. On disc, I just watched Star Trek into Darkness and enjoyed the 3D version of that if sci-fi is your thing.
Internet speed sucks and bah to subscriptions.
post #1516 of 1877
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

What's the best 3D movie or anything to try on a new Vizion 80" HDTV with a new Sony BR player? smile.gif

If you want some "demo material" I'd suggest looking at some of the Imax 3D BluRay features. Hubble, Space Station, Space Junk and Under the Sea all have lots of great 3D visuals. They are also all full screen 1.78:1, which further aids in the immersion.
post #1517 of 1877
That countdown in the beginning of imax presentations is so fun! Never get tired of it!
post #1518 of 1877

Art of Flight is on NetFlix in 3d....just got done watching it.... =)

post #1519 of 1877
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Originally Posted by mscibek View Post

Art of Flight is on NetFlix in 3d....just got done watching it.... =)


What is the audio when streaming AoF over Netflix?
post #1520 of 1877
Not sure. Mine was lagging badly on the audio. I need to go back and try it again
post #1521 of 1877
That's one of my pet peeves, and it's something Netflix has a problem with more often than I'd like. I'll flat turn it off if there's audio sync issues, it drives me crazy. Unfortunately, their feedback system is also lacking pretty severely, so I can't explain what's going on. Once I had a movie where the audio was out of phase... how do you explain that when the feedback only gives you the option of "playback problems"? Most people wouldn't even know what "out of phase" means.
post #1522 of 1877
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

No doubt, and even though I don't see the excitement over Tron's 3d, I respect the fact that there are those who do feel it is a great 3d title. What makes "great" 3d as you mention can be very subjective for whatever reasons.

Watched Transformers 3 in 3d last night and while the 3d was decent, the general brightness drop part way into the film is still annoying to my eyes. I know this was talked about when this one first hit, but I had forgot about it. I would love to see this fixed as I cant imagine this was intentional.

i really wish they would fix the Transformers 3 issue. the 3d was pretty impressive up until the cut early on where the brightness drops (which was proven with waveform analysis) for the rest of the movie. It takes away a lot of the pop the 3d image had early on.

I like Tron's 3d, it's definitely subtle. I think what might bother people more than other titles is that there are some early 2.35:1 scenes that intentionally have no 3d, but were encoded to still require the glasses for them to be seen "properly". they have zero 3d, though. I enjoy the IMAX 3d sections of this title but agree it's not demo-worthy even though I find it enjoyable.
post #1523 of 1877
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Originally Posted by oleus View Post

i really wish they would fix the Transformers 3 issue. the 3d was pretty impressive up until the cut early on where the brightness drops (which was proven with waveform analysis) for the rest of the movie. It takes away a lot of the pop the 3d image had early on.

I agree and would love to see this fixed.
post #1524 of 1877
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I like Tron's 3d, it's definitely subtle. I think what might bother people more than other titles is that there are some early 2.35:1 scenes that intentionally have no 3d, but were encoded to still require the glasses for them to be seen "properly". they have zero 3d, though. I enjoy the IMAX 3d sections of this title but agree it's not demo-worthy even though I find it enjoyable.

That isn't my problem with the disc. I'm well aware that the early "real world" scenes are supposed to be in 2D (though the movie actually cheats and incorporates a small amount of 3D in those scenes). However, even after the transition to the Grid world, the movie still exhibits next to no depth, not even during bit showcase sequences that call out for it, like the disc battle and the light cycle race.
post #1525 of 1877
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

That isn't my problem with the disc. I'm well aware that the early "real world" scenes are supposed to be in 2D (though the movie actually cheats and incorporates a small amount of 3D in those scenes). However, even after the transition to the Grid world, the movie still exhibits next to no depth, not even during bit showcase sequences that call out for it, like the disc battle and the light cycle race.

i agree that the depth isn't what it could be. i still find it enjoyable.. maybe it's telling that the director chose not to choose his OBLIVION in 3d, even though that film almost looks like it should have been. Maybe he was dismissive of the format from the beginning?
post #1526 of 1877
I was just watching parts of Journey to the Center of the Earth; for my money this is still the reference title when it comes to a live action 3D film. It exhibits a very strong sense of depth and even close-ups of the characters show a distinct separation between foreground and background. The various action sequences and other visual setpieces also exhibit outstanding depth and numerous objects seem to extend beyond the screen. The roller-coaster mine cart section actually made my stomach turn a bit. Having recently watched Creature From the Black Lagoon and House of Wax (both of which have very strong 3D), Journey to the Center of the Earth is one of the few contemporary movies that is able to match that strong stereoscopic effect. It's almost exaggerated to the point of being unrealistic but to my eyes at least it is still very pleasing to watch and I wish more movies would follow this film's stereoscopic philosophy.
post #1527 of 1877
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I was just watching parts of Journey to the Center of the Earth; for my money this is still the reference title when it comes to a live action 3D film. It exhibits a very strong sense of depth and even close-ups of the characters show a distinct separation between foreground and background. The various action sequences and other visual setpieces also exhibit outstanding depth and numerous objects seem to extend beyond the screen. The roller-coaster mine cart section actually made my stomach turn a bit. Having recently watched Creature From the Black Lagoon and House of Wax (both of which have very strong 3D), Journey to the Center of the Earth is one of the few contemporary movies that is able to match that strong stereoscopic effect. It's almost exaggerated to the point of being unrealistic but to my eyes at least it is still very pleasing to watch and I wish more movies would follow this film's stereoscopic philosophy.


This 3d transfer is a great example of what I wish we got more of with 3d live action in particular. After watching JttCotE, most other live action titles feel restrained, conservative and lacking in comparison for depth and pop.
post #1528 of 1877
On one side we have people complaining that the pop out is a gimmick, on the other side we have people that feel as you do. It's a wonder directors even consider 3D, because they can't win no matter what they do.
post #1529 of 1877
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Originally Posted by Augerhandle View Post

On one side we have people complaining that the pop out is a gimmick, on the other side we have people that feel as you do. It's a wonder directors even consider 3D, because they can't win no matter what they do.

I think it is more that it is new (well not really, but it is new for film makers of now) and a lot more work is needed to shoot in 3d. Even when you shoot in 2d there are people who will pick apart how you shoot it, the dof you used etc.
post #1530 of 1877
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Originally Posted by TonyDP View Post

I was just watching parts of Journey to the Center of the Earth; for my money this is still the reference title when it comes to a live action 3D film. It exhibits a very strong sense of depth and even close-ups of the characters show a distinct separation between foreground and background. The various action sequences and other visual setpieces also exhibit outstanding depth and numerous objects seem to extend beyond the screen. The roller-coaster mine cart section actually made my stomach turn a bit. Having recently watched Creature From the Black Lagoon and House of Wax (both of which have very strong 3D), Journey to the Center of the Earth is one of the few contemporary movies that is able to match that strong stereoscopic effect. It's almost exaggerated to the point of being unrealistic but to my eyes at least it is still very pleasing to watch and I wish more movies would follow this film's stereoscopic philosophy.

+1!

Although it's certainly not an Oscar winner it's a great family movie, especially for younger kids and has GREAT 3D!smile.gif

Ed
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