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post #811 of 1877
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Who are you calling "common"?



Disc producers leave edge enhancement, smeary DNR and blocky compression artifacts on DVDs and Blu-rays all the time.



The vast majority of consumer 3D displays exhibit some degree of crosstalk on 3D content. There are factors in the content (wide parallax, strong contrast, etc.) that trigger or exaggerate the crosstalk in these displays. Hence the reason why some discs show more crosstalk than others, and some have none at all.

That you have one of the few 3D displays without crosstalk on any 3D content must be awfully nice for you. But I suspect that most of the rest of us are not willing to downgrade to a 720p projector with terrible contrast and lousy 2D performance just to solve this issue.

Ghosting is a display issue, not a disc issue.

There are a number of 1080p DLP projectors to choose from.
post #812 of 1877
I really enjoyed Transformers, I thought the 3D really added to the movie. Just picked up Avatar, I'll probably watch that this weekend, I never had a chance to catch it in 3D in theaters so I'm pretty excited to see it with the added dimension.
post #813 of 1877
We watched Alice in Wonderland tonight in 3D and it was awesome, thanks for the recommendations. Tomorrow night we have Under the Sea to watch.
post #814 of 1877
...and having a 75" Laservue TV really shows me which rise to the top of the heap--including some you guys may not know about as they are import-only to US. You can usually tell by the size--BD50 discs are really needed to do 3D well. Oh...one question...H&K reference means Harold and Kumar I'm guessing? Is the 3D really that good?

First the US releases...
*Coraline is very well done--even the music is terrific. Some great effects!
*Kung Fu Panda 2 has great 3D depth (especially at the beginning)--story, not so much unfortunately
*ALL IMAX movies are amazing, particularly Hubble and Under the Sea
*Seemingly any Warner title has great 3D: Of course they have the best IMAX but Legends of Guardians and Happy Feet 2 (Krill Scenes) amaze
*World War II in 3D: Previously mentioned, and I agree--this was a really pleasant surprise!

Now for the truly good stuff--the imports with the German links. The US really gets shafted here as there is so much more available overseas!
Figure out a way to play a Region B disc in the US and you have some great deals to be had...most of these are $13 Euro or less
Shark Night 3D is how that movie needs to be viewed. US only gets a terrible 2D transfer for some reason and it's obviously meant for 3D with some rather cool effects and a nice depth to it. This is a Warner title who seems to excel in the 3D race...
http://www.amazon.de/Shark-Night-3D-...8186152&sr=1-1
Sky 3D (UK) movie "Bugs: A Rainforest Adventure" is rediculously cool closeup 3D of two insect lives. Some of the best 3D I've seen to date.
http://www.amazon.de/Bugs-Abenteuer-...8186248&sr=1-1
Monster in Paris 3D: Very cool and fun 'kids' movie about a singing flea. Nice "fantasy-looking" 3D image and in full English version of the great soundtrack
http://www.amazon.de/Ein-Monster-Par...8186114&sr=1-2
Close to the Edge TT3D: 3D documentary of the famous motorcycle race at Isle of Wight. Incredibly engaging, in British English...and even the subtitles are 3D!
http://www.amazon.de/TT3D-Closer-Edg...9&sr=1-1-fkmr0
and my number one...
Boogie el Aceitoso 3D: Argentinean "hit-man" flick. Extremely Graphic, ultra-bloody but great black comedy that's adults only. Awesome hand-drawn 3D too that really impresses along with a booming crystal clear soundtrack. Easily worth the import cost via amazon.de
http://www.amazon.de/Boogie-3D-Blu-r...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF

Finally, can someone please release Tucker and Dale vs Evil in 3D???? It was filmed that way according to the credits and there are some scenes that seem to be made for it. Love that movie!
post #815 of 1877
Having read this entire thread, confusion reigns.

There are far to many contradictory reports, no doubt due to the many variables involved. Displays ranging from active to passive, projectors to flat panels, DLP, LCD, Plasma, different glasses, active shutter to passive polarized, which may introduce various and sundry artifacts.

Films shot with 3D cameras or converted 2d>3D from dated material produced by directors/producers who may sacrifice directors intent for a quick buck.
So for now for better or worse this AVS thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1029348
will have to do. More consistent wrt display configuration and far more detailed reviews.
Sample here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1370712

Beneath the Sea, Legends of flight, Deep Sea and Avatar serve as a reference for decent 3D using the Epson 3010 3D projector to a 100 screen, using the Epson active shutter glasses. The first three purchased and Avatar a freebee with the coupon bundled with the Panny 210 player.

I also have the Monprice 2d>3D converter which serves as a reference for what really mediocre 3d looks like.

None of this post is meant to shame or denigrate the many posters who put forth their best effort to enlighten us.

I learned a lot from those posts although deciding what to buy is still a mystery.
post #816 of 1877
In terms of sheer 3D entertainment value, Journey 2: Mysterious Island must rank near the top of anyone's list. I bought and watched the 3D BluRay today and while the movie may be dumb, implausible, goofy and occasionally cringe-inducing, the 3D is outstanding. Depth into the screen is constant there is a steady supply of gimmicky pop-out effects: berries flying off the Rock's pecs, giant bees, electric eels, and a spear that seems to go right thru your eye. The image is also largely free of crosstalk even on my older 2010 3D plasma as the cinematography avoids images of extreme contrast that can trip up older displays. If you want more 3D gimmicks than you'll want to know what to do with, check this one out. Its about as close as anything comes to a Disney thrill ride at home so far.
post #817 of 1877
I agree. Both the journey movies are pretty dumb really but the 3D is very good and I do find them entertaining. Sometimes movies can be bad and good at the same time!
post #818 of 1877
Took the advice on this forum and picked up a few of the "favorites" for 3-D Blu-rays. First full movie I watch last night was Final Destination 3-D. Some decent enough effects and sound was pretty good but what an awful movie.

While I wasn't expecting much, I really enjoyed the first 2 of them for what they are/were, this one not as good.

Kung Fu Panada 2 3-D up this weekend with the family
post #819 of 1877
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Originally Posted by slider34z View Post

Took the advice on this forum and picked up a few of the "favorites" for 3-D Blu-rays. First full movie I watch last night was Final Destination 3-D. Some decent enough effects and sound was pretty good but what an awful movie.
While I wasn't expecting much, I really enjoyed the first 2 of them for what they are/were, this one not as good.
Kung Fu Panada 2 3-D up this weekend with the family

...and don't forget "Tangled 3D", 3D is very good!
post #820 of 1877
I just picked up Pirates of the Caribbean On Stranger tides for 28 bucks CAD. 3D In it decent? Good price? My HD33 will be here in about a week, so I need to get some cheap 3d blu rays somewhere in Canada!
post #821 of 1877
It's not bad. My only complaint was that there were too many instances of 2D cinematography shooting which lessened the 3D effect. Examples include forground vegetation being out of focus, isolated shots of characters with no foreground or background elements to enhance the 3D. To me, those techniques work fine in 2D shoots but 3D is all about depth and scenes should be composed accordingly.
post #822 of 1877
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Originally Posted by cbcdesign View Post

It's not bad. My only complaint was that there were too many instances of 2D cinematography shooting which lessened the 3D effect. Examples include forground vegetation being out of focus, isolated shots of characters with no foreground or background elements to enhance the 3D. To me, those techniques work fine in 2D shoots but 3D is all about depth and scenes should be composed accordingly.

I've noticed this myself with some of the content I've been watching lately. I imagine it's the result of two things: Either the film was shot with 2D in mind, and decided after the fact to convert (which I know isn't the case with POTC, but is with quite a few others). Or, the cinematographer just wasn't that familiar with the idea of shooting in 3D, and so stuck with the "tried and true" 2D cinematography tricks, without taking the cameras into account.

Depth of field, that you mention, is a perfect example. It's main purpose is to isolate the focus of the shot (usually an actor) from the background elements, so the audience's attention is in the right spot. With a 2D plate shot with an infinity lens, the frame can get very "busy" and the actor can blend into the background. But.. with 3D cameras, you actually get the best of both worlds.. you can shoot everything in focus, and the actor will still be separated from the background through the 3D effect, allowing you to maintain the audience's focus.

I noticed that Prometheus did this rather well, with comparatively few shots using traditional depth of field, and letting the 3D effect do the rest. I think that's one of the reasons why everyone is praising the visuals, just like they did on Avatar.. not only is the 3D effect very good, but everything's in focus nearly all the time. It's a different look than we're used to, and can make the film look "amazing" even in 2D just because so much of the frame is in focus.

On a different note, I have come to realize that not all 3D is created equal, even with CG films. I just got a 3D monitor for my PC a few weeks ago, and aside from games, the only 3D I can watch is Youtube (I've got a Blu-ray drive on the way). I've been going through a lot of movie trailers to find films that have a good, deep 3D effect, and noticing the differences. Rio is very good, as is Tangled. But I found the effect in the trailer for Megamind and Despicable Me very shallow and almost unnoticeable, with only a handful of shots done specifically for effect. Almost as if they were converted to 3D after the fact instead of being rendered natively.

The problem is that I already own a lot of these films, and I don't really want to double-dip just for a 3D disc (especially since the 3D version will include all the 2D discs, bonus discs, and digital copy discs that I already own). Granted, everything I buy from this point forward will be 3D, but I'm "shopping around", so to speak, for older titles to get in 3D to watch on the new monitor. Right now, I think the two top contenders are Hugo (for live action) and Tangled (for CG).
post #823 of 1877
I have just watched a turtles tale 3d and have to say it is without a doubt the best 3d film I own hands down. Every scene is a thing of beauty with amazing detail fantastic depth and pop out.
I really recommend people give this one a try it is definitely reference material for how good 3d can look and I own 30 3d films including avatar etc.
post #824 of 1877
I have been saying that for the longest time. There is NO 3D movie that even comes close to Sammy's Adventures-A Turtle's Tale. Not Avatar, not Hugo, Not Journey 2...NOTHING! Animated or real life, I have not seen anything that comes close. It's the BEST 3D movie there is. Even better than many IMAX movies including, Under The Sea.
post #825 of 1877
But it's a cartoon about a turtle?
post #826 of 1877
I was all set to buy it, but then read about how it's your "Humans are evil and destroying the world" type of propaganda. rolleyes.gif
post #827 of 1877
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Originally Posted by NickTheGreat View Post

I was all set to buy it, but then read about how it's your "Humans are evil and destroying the world" type of propaganda. rolleyes.gif
Seriously??!! We're NOT talking about content, we're talking about the best 3D out there, even beating out Disney's Pixar stuff. Stop being so narrow minded and look at this for what it is, the best display of 3D, period! Unfortunately, with your attitude, you'll never be able to experience it.

But take it from me, I own about 30 3D titles, and this is the one that has everyone floored when they see it. And by the way, I happened to think the story was pretty good. So did my wife and friends we've shown it too.

**and for what it's worth, humans ARE destroying the world! Sad, but true!
post #828 of 1877
I'll pick this one up soon I think. There are enough VERY positive reviews about the quality of the 3D to make it worth having.
post #829 of 1877
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Originally Posted by cbcdesign View Post

I'll pick this one up soon I think. There are enough VERY positive reviews about the quality of the 3D to make it worth having.

I thought it was out-of-print?
post #830 of 1877
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Originally Posted by buonforte View Post

Seriously??!! We're NOT talking about content, we're talking about the best 3D out there, even beating out Disney's Pixar stuff. Stop being so narrow minded and look at this for what it is, the best display of 3D, period! Unfortunately, with your attitude, you'll never be able to experience it.
But take it from me, I own about 30 3D titles, and this is the one that has everyone floored when they see it. And by the way, I happened to think the story was pretty good. So did my wife and friends we've shown it too.
**and for what it's worth, humans ARE destroying the world! Sad, but true!

Fair enough. I haven't seen the movie, so I don't really *know* the plotline. But that the beauty of this country, if I don't want to buy something, I don't have to. smile.gif
post #831 of 1877
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Originally Posted by NickTheGreat View Post

Fair enough. I haven't seen the movie, so I don't really *know* the plotline. But that the beauty of this country, if I don't want to buy something, I don't have to. smile.gif

Well here is the SPOILER: Turtle Sammy finds out in the end that he is a Dog.
post #832 of 1877
Not just any dog.. a prairie dog. .. cuz prairie doggin it and turtle'n it are really the same thing.....
post #833 of 1877
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Originally Posted by shepP View Post

Not just any dog.. a prairie dog. .. cuz prairie doggin it and turtle'n it are really the same thing.....

Common man, atleast have the decency to put a SPOILER WARNING when giving away the punch line that Sammy realizes that he is a prairie dog with a cliffhanger (I hate them) which leaves the audience thinking how is able to breath underwater.....a sequel written all over it.
post #834 of 1877
The problem is execution. I haven't seen a Pixar presentation in 3D since Up. Ever try to keep 3D glasses on a five-year old? That's why 3D ticket sales for family films are going down, not a lack of interest. But anyway, back to topic:

I've seen a few 3D trailers on YouTube for Pixar's more recent stuff, including Cars 2 and Brave, and it seems.. not that impressive. Depth is very shallow, to the point where I had to watch the trailer without glasses just to be sure it was really 3D. It almost seems like Pixar is being overly conservative in their use of 3D. So I don't think that saying such-and-such a film has "better 3D than even Pixar" is really saying much. Other Disney films have "better 3D" than Pixar these days.

That's what this thread is about, really.. what films really show off the 3D effect well, but without resorting to "gimmick" territory. These days, when I'm thinking of "good 3D presentations", I'm thinking of those that have decent visible depth (not so much pop-out.. unless it's done for a specific purpose, I tend to think of pop-out as a gimmick).
post #835 of 1877
A Very Harold and Kumar Christmas has some of the best use of 3D effects in a film that I've seen so far. Yeah, it's not one you're going to watch with the kids, but it's funny as hell if you get the jokes.
post #836 of 1877
I'd have to disagree on "Harold and Kumar". I'd rank it as easily the worst shot native 3-D movie of the modern era; looking to me like a conversion most of the time. It is obvious the director did not have an idea how to block shots for depth. So many missed opportunties....the gimmicks pale in comparison to any 80s 3-D movie, for example.
post #837 of 1877
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Originally Posted by Steve P. View Post

I'd have to disagree on "Harold and Kumar". I'd rank it as easily the worst shot native 3-D movie of the modern era; looking to me like a conversion most of the time. It is obvious the director did not have an idea how to block shots for depth. So many missed opportunties....the gimmicks pale in comparison to any 80s 3-D movie, for example.
I agree with you. The 3D depth was the weakest I've ever seen for a native production. There were a lot of pop-out gimmicks, but none of them were really what I would categorize as "extreme 3D" in terms of pop-out distance. This was probably my biggest 3D disappointment after reading nearly all positive user and critic BD3D reviews.
Edited by BleedOrange11 - 7/26/12 at 2:37pm
post #838 of 1877
Okay so I just got my projector setup and have only watched a few 3D movies so far, but Kung Fu Panda 2 was really good in 3D.
post #839 of 1877
Got and watched Sammy's Adventures-A Turtle's Tale tonight. Hands down the best 3D ever! Not a chance.

It's fine if you like LOTS of pop out but I found many such shots in this movie impossible to bring into focus resulting in eye strain and a slight headache by the end of the movie.

Avatar & Hugo remain THE best 3D movies so far. They don't over use negative parallax like this movie does so you can watch for hours without any difficulty. 3 hours of Samm'y Adventures would give me a serious headache.
post #840 of 1877
Yeah, not a big fan of pop-out.. makes it too much of a gimmick, and I have a hard time focusing on it.
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