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post #841 of 1877
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Originally Posted by cbcdesign View Post

Got and watched Sammy's Adventures-A Turtle's Tale tonight. Hands down the best 3D ever! Not a chance.
It's fine if you like LOTS of pop out but I found many such shots in this movie impossible to bring into focus resulting in eye strain and a slight headache by the end of the movie.

It might be your device's fault and not the movie. On my set, all pop-outs in the movie are perfectly done, in-focus and crisp. On the other hand, Hugo has a couple of instances full of crosstalk.
post #842 of 1877
Highly doubtful frankly. I have a calibrated Panasonic Vierra GT30, one of the best displays out there. But It's a 50 inch set and I am sitting 3.5 meters from it so excessive negative parallax pushes objects so close to my seating position its very difficult to focus on them.

Secondly, the whole reason directors try and avoid too much pop out is precisely because its more tricky to pull off well than positive parallax is. Jedi 2016 summed it up nicely. Pop-out is hard work for some of us!

And how about the shot where the sea surface in shot with negative parallax but breaks the frame on each side! That was a stupid shot and its well documented that this sort of thing causes eye strain and headaches. An object cannot be in front of the screen and behind it at the same time. No wonder some of us struggle when mistakes of that sort are made.

That said, there were some very good shots too and the coral reefs in particular with stunning. I just don't like 3D movies where negative parallax is present in almost every frame of a movie. It should be used sparingly and carefully.

Crosstalk on hugo! Not on my set. I very rarely get any crosstalk. almost all 3D on my Vierra is superb.
Edited by cbcdesign - 7/28/12 at 4:55am
post #843 of 1877
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Originally Posted by cbcdesign View Post

Got and watched Sammy's Adventures-A Turtle's Tale tonight. Hands down the best 3D ever! Not a chance.
It's fine if you like LOTS of pop out but I found many such shots in this movie impossible to bring into focus resulting in eye strain and a slight headache by the end of the movie.
Avatar & Hugo remain THE best 3D movies so far. They don't over use negative parallax like this movie does so you can watch for hours without any difficulty. 3 hours of Samm'y Adventures would give me a serious headache.

Me and my partner watched Hugo 3D and nearly fell asleep, it was very slooooooooooooow and I wasn't overly impressed with the 3D.. I like pop out and was impressed with Sammys Adventure A Turtle Tale. Where you and I do agree is with Avatar, great 3D presentation.
post #844 of 1877
After having the opportunity to watch most of the Dreamworks 3d exclusives from Best Buy as wellas Madagascar 3 at the cinema, I decided they have the best 3d engine for animated movies. They apparently employ some guy known as Captain 3d McNally and he is a great stereographer imo. Even the conversion of Shrek has great 3d depth and amazing clarity.
post #845 of 1877
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Originally Posted by BleedOrange11 View Post

I agree with you. The 3D depth was the weakest I've ever seen for a native production. There were a lot of pop-out gimmicks, but none of them were really what I would categorize as "extreme 3D" in terms of pop-out distance. This was probably my biggest 3D disappointment after reading nearly all positive user and critic BD3D reviews.

totally agreed. i thought HAROLD AND KUMAR looked terrible. some of the reviews made it sound like reference 3d, but the gimmicky popouts didn't even look right. the rest of the film looked like it was shot on video, the colors were terrible and overall it just didn't have anything going for it. and it was not remotely funny (i was a fan of the first one).
post #846 of 1877
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Originally Posted by cbcdesign View Post

Got and watched Sammy's Adventures-A Turtle's Tale tonight. Hands down the best 3D ever! Not a chance.
It's fine if you like LOTS of pop out but I found many such shots in this movie impossible to bring into focus resulting in eye strain and a slight headache by the end of the movie.
Avatar & Hugo remain THE best 3D movies so far. They don't over use negative parallax like this movie does so you can watch for hours without any difficulty. 3 hours of Samm'y Adventures would give me a serious headache.

Where is this available for purchase? I see it on amazon but $46 is way to high.
post #847 of 1877
It's not out on video yet but the 3D in Prometheus was definitely very well done. Avatar quality, IMHO. One to watch out for when it hits blu.
post #848 of 1877
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Originally Posted by RolandL View Post

Where is this available for purchase? I see it on amazon but $46 is way to high.

People are buying it from overseas or you can rent the movie thru VUDU.
post #849 of 1877
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Originally Posted by supermr2 View Post

People are buying it from overseas or you can rent the movie thru VUDU.

It's been out of stock for months at his web site - http://www.yesasia.com/us/sammys-adventures-the-secret-passage-2010-blu-ray-3d-2d-version-hong/1024542675-0-0-0-en/info.html . Any other place to buy besides Amazon?
post #850 of 1877
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Originally Posted by RolandL View Post

It's been out of stock for months at his web site - http://www.yesasia.com/us/sammys-adventures-the-secret-passage-2010-blu-ray-3d-2d-version-hong/1024542675-0-0-0-en/info.html . Any other place to buy besides Amazon?

http://dddhouse.com/v3/product_details.php?ProductID=12014
post #851 of 1877
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Originally Posted by cbcdesign View Post

Got and watched Sammy's Adventures-A Turtle's Tale tonight. Hands down the best 3D ever! Not a chance.
It's fine if you like LOTS of pop out but I found many such shots in this movie impossible to bring into focus resulting in eye strain and a slight headache by the end of the movie.
Avatar & Hugo remain THE best 3D movies so far. They don't over use negative parallax like this movie does so you can watch for hours without any difficulty. 3 hours of Samm'y Adventures would give me a serious headache.
Are you viewing with Active or Passive glasses. I have a Toshiba TV that uses Passive glasses and no one has ever complained of eyestrain or headaches, and I've shown it to many people. Everyone that I've shown it to is blown away by the 3D in this movie. Remember, it's NOT the movie that's causing your problems. It could be many factors including your display, glasses, etc. Active shutter glasses have been known to cause headaches/eyestrain for some individuals.

So far, I've shown it to nine people and no one has had any problem with the viewing. Sorry it didn't work out for you.
post #852 of 1877
It's pointless suggesting that there is an issue with my TV. Its a physiological issue that some of us have resolving objects in negative stereo space that is the root of the problem. The closer the object appears to the viewer the more our eyes are forced to move towards crossing and that causes eye strain and headaches. Its just a fact of life and that is precisely why Directors are avoiding too much negative parralax in their 3D movies, to ensure that the experience is comfortable for everybody. If I could have been bothered, I could have adjusted the 3D settings to make the experience more comfortable. Frankly though, I couldn't be bothered.

Nobody shoots a 3D movie with negative parralax in EVERY SINGLE shot for very good reasons. I get why you like it but less is more where pop out is concerned.
post #853 of 1877
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Originally Posted by cbcdesign View Post

It's pointless suggesting that there is an issue with my TV. Its a physiological issue that some of us have resolving objects in negative stereo space that is the root of the problem. The closer the object appears to the viewer the more our eyes are forced to move towards crossing and that causes eye strain and headaches. Its just a fact of life and that is precisely why Directors are avoiding too much negative parralax in their 3D movies, to ensure that the experience is comfortable for everybody. If I could have been bothered, I could have adjusted the 3D settings to make the experience more comfortable. Frankly though, I couldn't be bothered.
Nobody shoots a 3D movie with negative parralax in EVERY SINGLE shot for very good reasons. I get why you like it but less is more where pop out is concerned.
I'm not saying that there is an issue with your TV. I'm just pointing out that many people using Active Shutter Glasses are prone to eyestrain/headaches as opposed to Passive Glasses that do not have the drawbacks associated with Active Shutter Glasses. This is a proven fact, look it up.

Anyway, basically the whole movie takes place out of the TV and in your living room. It is a work of art and a fine example of the best 3D out there. All other 3D movies are boring by comparison. The depth in this movie is incredible. The depth apears beyond the screen in both front and rear directions. I want 3D to look like 3D. So far, nothing else compares. Sammy's Adventure was done right. It's a masterpiece. And don't give me that paralax crap. Most studios have no clue how to use 3D. Others, are doing conversions of movies that were not shot in 3D just to make few extra bucks. This gives 3D a bad name. Conversions are usually never as good as a film shot using 3D cameras and a studio that knows what they're doing. Most can learn from Sammy's Adventure.
post #854 of 1877
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Originally Posted by buonforte View Post

Anyway, basically the whole movie takes place out of the TV and in your living room. It is a work of art and a fine example of the best 3D out there. All other 3D movies are boring by comparison.
You're discussing something that's entirely subjective as if it's fact. Just because you like it, doesn't mean that it's automatically the "best", or that everyone else should like it. That may not be your intention, but you're certainly coming across that way.

All other "physical" issues aside, I simply don't like negative parallax. It's a preference, not a medical condition. I watched one of the trailers on YouTube and said "no, thank you".
post #855 of 1877
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Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

You're discussing something that's entirely subjective as if it's fact. Just because you like it, doesn't mean that it's automatically the "best", or that everyone else should like it. That may not be your intention, but you're certainly coming across that way.
All other "physical" issues aside, I simply don't like negative parallax. It's a preference, not a medical condition. I watched one of the trailers on YouTube and said "no, thank you".
Fair enough.
post #856 of 1877
There should be two different categories in this discussion. Real 3D and animated 3D. I don't like cartoons, just a personal thing, not knocking people who do. It's cool to have a few movie that can really show off the 3D effects but most of the movies I buy will be for content and story with the 3D effects being icing on the cake. Kids movies are for kids of all ages.
post #857 of 1877
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Originally Posted by buonforte View Post


Anyway, basically the whole movie takes place out of the TV and in your living room. It is a work of art and a fine example of the best 3D out there. All other 3D movies are boring by comparison. The depth in this movie is incredible. The depth apears beyond the screen in both front and rear directions. I want 3D to look like 3D. So far, nothing else compares. Sammy's Adventure was done right. It's a masterpiece. And don't give me that paralax crap. Most studios have no clue how to use 3D.

Well there is no point continuing with this. You don’t recognise the issues that negative parallax crap as you so eloquently put it, impose on the viewer and think a blanket use of it is somehow a masterful use of 3D. I think you are a typical pop out fan that thinks anything other than the course use of negative stereo space is somehow inadequate. I am very glad that you are not in the business of shooting 3D because god help the public if the sort of 3D you like ever becomes the norm.

I shall stick with Cameron and Scorsese, Directors who actually know how to use 3D and in particular negative stereo space appropriately to suit all audience members, not just the few like you who want the sort of non stop head ache inducing eye crossing evoking 3D preset in this movie.

Good luck finding 3D movies that you like, I have a feeling you will be dissapointed with most of them.
post #858 of 1877
I actually enjoyed Sammy's adventure very much played through the Epson 5010, Love the crab that comes all the way up in front of you and you can almost put your hands around it, a lot of pop out fun effects.
post #859 of 1877
There was a lot of very nice 3D for sure.

My issue and indeed the issue for many people in their late forties upwards I suspect is that age makes us increasingly long sighted. That makes focussing on objects that are close to us impossible and I think this is the problem with Sammy's. The object are too far into negative space with the result that I simply couldn't focus on them.

Regardless of peples opinions on the use of negative stereo space, I think its reasonable to expect a film like this to be viewed by kids and adults in my age group and above. We have kids and grand kids and take them to the theatre. The movie should have been shot with ALL audience members in mind, not just those who can focus on objects inches from their nose.

For me, the best 3D movie that includes lots of pop out is the Imax Ocean Wonderland release. Not one shot pushes objects so close to the viewer that they are forced to almost cross their eyes or struggle to focus on the object coming out of the screen. That is how to shoot 3D using negative space. Sammy's just went a bit too far in some shots and used the effect too much in my opinion.
post #860 of 1877
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Originally Posted by cbcdesign View Post

There was a lot of very nice 3D for sure.
My issue and indeed the issue for many people in their late forties upwards I suspect is that age makes us increasingly long sighted. That makes focussing on objects that are close to us impossible and I think this is the problem with Sammy's. The object are too far into negative space with the result that I simply couldn't focus on them.
Regardless of peples opinions on the use of negative stereo space, I think its reasonable to expect a film like this to be viewed by kids and adults in my age group and above. We have kids and grand kids and take them to the theatre. The movie should have been shot with ALL audience members in mind, not just those who can focus on objects inches from their nose.

Hmm. I wonder if that's true.

If you experienced it then I don't doubt you, but since the images you are focusing on are still physically the same distance away as any other image on your TV does it make sense that being long-sighted would some into play? I have no idea, and I'm no expert in the field, but I'd like to hear from someone knowledgeable in the field to confirm if this could indeed be the case.

Being that I'm already in my early-40's myself, I'd hate to think that my 3D experience could begin to deteriorate along with my eyesight over the next few years...
post #861 of 1877
I'm 72 and 3D looks fine to me.
post #862 of 1877
3D looks very good to me as a rule but on this movie, having just tried, the only way I can get rid of the issues I have it to adjust the 3d effect to the extreme left hand side of the adjustment scale on my TV, something I have not had to do on any other title. This adjustment seems to shift the whole scene further back into positive stereo space, i.e. further back into the screen.

I think I can rule out age related long sightedness having anything to do with the problems quite honestly so ignore that. I was just grasping at straws trying to find an explanation for the difficulty I have focussing on certain objects in certain shots in this movie.

Interestingly, looking at the shots I have difficult with, every one of them involves objects being in front of the screen but also breaking the frame. Film makers are supposed to avoid this visual paradox but do so frequently in this movie. Perhaps I just cannot resolve objects that do this because my visual cortex is receiving conflicting information. Objects cannot be behind the screen and in front of it at the same time after all!
Edited by cbcdesign - 8/7/12 at 1:09pm
post #863 of 1877
If you sit closer to the TV so it fills your vision field (like a theater screen), it makes the window violations more tolerable. Sammy uses high convergence and extreme negative parallax as a deliberate artistic choice. It causes more eyestrain that way, but it also makes many viewers feel like they're part of Sammy's world moreso than Hollywood 3D movies. Ben Stassen has been making 3D animation for years. He likes extreme "theme park" 3D and breaks the "rules" to provide amazing effects for children (his target audience) and pop-out fans.
post #864 of 1877
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Originally Posted by johnny905 View Post

Hmm. I wonder if that's true.
If you experienced it then I don't doubt you, but since the images you are focusing on are still physically the same distance away as any other image on your TV does it make sense that being long-sighted would some into play? I have no idea, and I'm no expert in the field, but I'd like to hear from someone knowledgeable in the field to confirm if this could indeed be the case.
Being that I'm already in my early-40's myself, I'd hate to think that my 3D experience could begin to deteriorate along with my eyesight over the next few years...
Pretty sure you are correct. Extreme negative parallax causes more eyestrain via the accommodation-convergence discrepancy not because of farsightedness. With 3D, your lenses are focused on the plane of the screen the entire time, so whatever objects your eyes converge upon should be in focus if you can see the screen clearly from your seating distance.

With age-related farsightedness (presbyopia), the lens hardens and becomes more difficult to bend, which hinders the ability to focus light from close-up objects onto the fovea. With 3D, the light is always coming from the screen and not the close-up pop-outs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyopia
Edited by BleedOrange11 - 8/7/12 at 1:52pm
post #865 of 1877
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Originally Posted by cbcdesign View Post

3D looks very good to me as a rule but on this movie, having just tried, the only way I can get rid of the issues I have it to adjust the 3d effect to the extreme left hand side of the adjustment scale on my TV, something I have not had to do on any other title. This adjustment seems to shift the whole scene further back into positive stereo space, i.e. further back into the screen.
I think I can rule out age related long sightedness having anything to do with the problems quite honestly so ignore that. I was just grasping at straws trying to find an explanation for the difficulty I have focussing on certain objects in certain shots in this movie.
Interestingly, looking at the shots I have difficult with, every one of them involves objects being in front of the screen but also breaking the frame. Film makers are supposed to avoid this visual paradox but do so frequently in this movie. Perhaps I just cannot resolve objects that do this because my visual cortex is receiving conflicting information. Objects cannot be behind the screen and in front of it at the same time after all!
The problem might be with:
1. Your eyes
2. Your brain
3. Your display
4. Your glasses

Hopefully you can address those issues so that you can enjoy the movie with the best 3D ever. You never confirmed that you were using an Active Display w/active shutter glasses. If you are, there's your problem. I do understand your dilemma. I'm just trying to help, my friend. Maybe 2D is the way to go in your case which doesn't cause you any problems like 3D. Good luck.
post #866 of 1877
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Originally Posted by buonforte View Post

The problem might be with:
1. Your eyes
2. Your brain
3. Your display
4. Your glasses
Hopefully you can address those issues so that you can enjoy the movie with the best 3D ever. You never confirmed that you were using an Active Display w/active shutter glasses. If you are, there's your problem. I do understand your dilemma. I'm just trying to help, my friend. Maybe 2D is the way to go in your case which doesn't cause you any problems like 3D. Good luck.
He doesn't have a problem. He just doesn't like Sammy's extreme 3D. He's previously stated that he finds the excess window violations too uncomfortable. I felt the same way until I moved my couch closer to the TV when I rented it. That didn't make the window violations go away. It just reduced eyestrain to a tolerable amount where I could enjoy the strong parallax and extreme pop-outs. Individuals are going to have slightly different tastes in 3D and tolerance levels when it comes to eyestrain, and Sammy's 3D pushes those eyestrain limits in terms of accommodation-convergence and edge violations. It's bound to be a controversial love/hate viewing experience.
Edited by BleedOrange11 - 8/7/12 at 3:40pm
post #867 of 1877
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Originally Posted by BleedOrange11 View Post

He doesn't have a problem. He just doesn't like Sammy's extreme 3D. He's previously stated that he finds the excess window violations too uncomfortable. I felt the same way until I moved my couch closer to the TV when I rented it. That didn't make the window violations go away. It just reduced eyestrain to a tolerable amount where I could enjoy the strong parallax and extreme pop-outs. Individuals are going to have slightly different tastes in 3D and tolerance levels when it comes to eyestrain, and Sammy's 3D pushes those eyestrain limits in terms of accommodation-convergence and edge violations. It's bound to be a controversial love/hate viewing experience.
Very well stated. I only wanted to help. I understand the pain that cbcdesign must be feeling and that's why I suggested that 3D isn't for everybody. I feel so bad for him/her. Thank You for clearing it up.
post #868 of 1877
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Originally Posted by buonforte View Post

Very well stated. I only wanted to help. I understand the pain that cbcdesign must be feeling and that's why I suggested that 3D isn't for everybody. I feel so bad for him/her. Thank You for clearing it up.

Don't feel bad for me. I get on like a house on fire with 3D. I just don't particularly enjoy an experience that is as extreme as this title is.
I can't sit closer unfortunately Bleedorange. My HT is also my Bedroom and moving the Bed out of the room is not an option! smile.gif I just have to dial back the 3D settings on my TV to make this one comfortable.

And Thank you for confirming that this title pushes the eyestrain limits due to the strong parallax and extreme popout. buonforte may now understand that its the way the film has been made that is causing the issues for me and people like me that cannot tollerate the window violations and very stron parallax, not a fault with our vision or equipment.
post #869 of 1877
Frys has some 3D movies for $9.99.
http://www.frys.com/ads/page8
post #870 of 1877
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Originally Posted by goplay912 View Post

Frys has some 3D movies for $9.99.
http://www.frys.com/ads/page8

Are any of those movies any good (3D wise)?

As a fan of aviation, I purchased "Legends of Flight", and I feel it's a awful movie.

-JR
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