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post #61 of 134
How bout this?
Since this is the same source as the DVD
(something I was against B4 the 1st HD disc was released/using old transfers)
Disc Two, the second half of the movie (B4 the intermission tho)
which has the extras; was more compressed than the feature only Disc 1.
That's what I see on the SD DVD.
More compression artifacts on D2; although closeups still look good.
Any medium too long shot (especially long tracking shots) looks smeared.
Anyway....
my two cents!
(& I'll pick this up at WallyWorld for $15US; better than the DVD, ugh, is worth that)
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What I'm I too do w/all my DVD's?!?!
Those perfect forever digital transfers???
Those 5 out of 5 star transfers??
Those it looks great on my 100" screen discs?
Can't even watch DVD on my little 50"...
what a waste!
(did enjoy SD on an SD set for yrs tho)
[only SD that didn't make me miss HD, so far, is "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls"/weird huh?]
post #62 of 134
I've finally pre ordered this film. Have to admit I've never seen it, how I missed this is beyond me.
post #63 of 134
I had this in my Amazon basket ready to pull the trigger but the screenshots and the review at DVDBeaver are so underwhelming that I think I'll just rent. Shame really. This title deserves better.
post #64 of 134
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Originally Posted by Canary_Jules View Post

I had this in my Amazon basket ready to pull the trigger but the screenshots and the review at DVDBeaver are so underwhelming that I think I'll just rent. Shame really. This title deserves better.

Ill still pull the trigger.
post #65 of 134
I saw the BD before reading this thread. I thought that the PQ wasn't absolutely top-notch but the audio was. I got the disc cheap and I'm relatively happy with it.
post #66 of 134
$15.00 at walmart...it was worth that not to get up and load another disc....just call me lazy. I'm it watching now and I think it looks great. I always wondered what the method was that people apply to the rating of PQ and AQ. I also tend to think people want all movies to look CGI'ish before they say the PQ is reference.
post #67 of 134
When you compare the bluray to the dvd and can barely tell the difference that is the definition of poor PQ. The bluray should blow it out of the water especially for a modern classic such as this. This is an 8 year old master and simply should never have been released until Warner ponied up to do a proper 4K master for this exceptional film. Titles like this give catalog blurays a bad name. One of the worst looking blurays I have seen in the past year and is quite similiar the quality of the titles at the launch of the format. 2/5 for PQ. What was reference in 2003 sure as hell isn't reference in 2011!
post #68 of 134
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I always wondered what the method was that people apply to the rating of PQ and AQ. I also tend to think people want all movies to look CGI'ish before they say the PQ is reference.

I apply The Evil Dead test. If a transfer of a major studio 35mm production doesn't look as good as a 30 year old low-budget 16mm film shot by amateurs, then it sucks
post #69 of 134
I've gone through three separate copies of Once Upon a Time in America (each from a bricks-and-morter Barnes & Noble), and all three had the same defect at the same spot: Chapter 30, about 1:47:50 in. The image freezes, then after a few seconds jumps several seconds ahead, then freezes again, then jumps again.

I'm using a Samsung BD-UP5000 (a backup to my Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD, which is in for service for the third time.) The firmware is up to date, and I reformatted persistent storage.

Has anyone else had a problem in Chapter 30?
post #70 of 134
No problem at chapter 30 or anyplace else using an Oppo 83.
post #71 of 134
So does anyone have the UK release to compare to the US one?

Cheers.
post #72 of 134
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Originally Posted by Ingram View Post

So does anyone have the UK release to compare to the US one?

It's Warner, it's not going to be any different.
post #73 of 134
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post
I apply The Evil Dead test. If a transfer of a major studio 35mm production doesn't look as good as a 30 year old low-budget 16mm film shot by amateurs, then it sucks
I just had to buy as I love this movie......I seen worse, Out of Africa. ...

Anyway ought to be a law such that the how, when and who , et al, must be disclosed on the label. Maybe that might discourage such stuff, but I doubt it.

This type of repeat crud makes me think that if other forms of delivery (FIOS, neflix, etc) are not taking its toll on blu ray sales, then this stuff is. sort of a form of suicide

I need to start a list of bluray vs (cable fios HD,etc) versions and which are better...........


(however, i have discovered if I say director's intent over and over again, it makes me think that it is okay....for a few seconds or so)
post #74 of 134
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Originally Posted by paku View Post
If only. I'm going to have to strongly disagree with this statement.

Considering it doesn't have a first-rate transfer to begin with, and a rather poor bitrate, the first half of the movie actually looks perfectly decent. Almost exactly halfway through something happens though, maybe whoever supervised the transfer went on lunch break and someone else took over, with the first order of business being to turn the DNR knob way up, leaving nothing but a super-soft image with virtually no natural grain or detail.

This is fairly indicative of the quality of much of the first half:


And this is what it looks like a lot of the time during the second half:


In other words yet another release that could have been OK, but someone had to go and mess with it.

I got a virus (according to Avast) when I opened the fourth linked photo ???
post #75 of 134
Thread Starter 
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6007

Can the disc handle more filtering?
post #76 of 134
Color me curious...though at that point there's no way they can comfortably fit a 269-minute-long movie on one BD (by current "standards") without it looking like an episode of Gumby. I call that a good thing...though we wouldn't even see this Once Upon A Time In America Redux until, what, late 2013-ish?
post #77 of 134
The current transfer is not great but not as bad as some here claim it is. The source material varies greatly in sharpness. Not a transfer issue.
The average bit rate is low which does not help either. The film should be rescanned and output on 2 discs. Likely to happen with the Redux version.
post #78 of 134
Even with 269 minutes I think one disc is good enough (about 20Mbps abr for picture + DTS HDMA 5.1) with good restoration and remaster, additional disc for bonuses.
post #79 of 134
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Originally Posted by jiopsi View Post

Even with 269 minutes I think one disc is good enough (about 20Mbps abr for picture + DTS HDMA 5.1) with good restoration and remaster, additional disc for bonuses.

It's 15 Mbits/s at the moment since Warner does not fill the format and added supplements too. 15 does not cut it. 20 is a bare minimum. Better 30 for good grain definition, meaning 2 discs.
post #80 of 134
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6007

Can the disc handle more filtering?

Not sure what you mean by that. The restoration and reconstruction has nothing to do with Warner. It is organised by Leone's children and will be supervised by Martin Scorsese. I'm 100% sure it will be treated with respect and love.
post #81 of 134
That's a ways off from the finished restoration print being handed off to whomever for video distribution mastering, though. (Unfortunately.) That said, if Scorsese's involved with the restoration that part of things does at least sound like it will turn out quite well...
post #82 of 134
Close your eyes and repeat after me, over and over again......director's intent, director's intent, director's intent, director's intent, director's intent, director's intent, director's intent, director's intent, director's intent, director's intent, director's intent, director's intent, director's intent..........
post #83 of 134
Thread Starter 
www.movie-censorship.com/news_en.php?ID=4548


More on one disc? Seriously, I am not sure Warner will be happy until they get every Harry Potter disc onto one disc
post #84 of 134
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

www.movie-censorship.com/news_en.php?ID=4548
More on one disc? Seriously, I am not sure Warner will be happy until they get every Harry Potter disc onto one disc
104 more minutes?confused.gif
post #85 of 134
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

104 more minutes?confused.gif

The original was chopped down for American theatrical release. As I recall, it was panned by critics, soon closed, then took on a new life on video, where it was released in it's original cut.
post #86 of 134
With all those extra minutes, what are we gonna end up with? .....Once Upon A Time In America, Canada & Belize ? wink.gif
post #87 of 134
The new cut is "only" 25 minutes longer than what's currently on BD.
post #88 of 134
Of course I can't find it now, but I came across an article a couple of weeks back that claimed that the 255m version of OUATIA/R (Redux--I'm sticking with that) that briefly screened at Cannes was the result of some sort of logistical issue and that the remaining 15m-ish of footage would be included later (which probably dovetails with that version being pulled from circulation a few months back "pending additional restoration work"). Reading the article Dan mentioned does make the additional footage we know of for certain sound like it simply fleshes out elements of the narrative, which I don't have a problem with...yet; just finish it and give us the BD already, guys!
post #89 of 134
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Originally Posted by Bill C. View Post

just finish it and give us the BD already, guys!
Yeah, that.
post #90 of 134
Thread Starter 
Should be two discs really
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