2010 Mitsubishi 3D DLP Owners Thread (638 series) - Page 8

I noticed the the TV fan makes quite audible noise. it is high-pitch hum. not noticeable when the volume is on but my PS3 was updating system software (as you know, it can take ages) and the whining noise was very irritating.

Anyone else hear this noise?

Who has any content that is 480i w/ 24 frames per second? Let alone 1080i with 24 fps, sounds pretty useless too me. It's probably for when you want to watch a VHS is 60+ inch format, lol.

Anybody using their AV receiver to upscale their cable/sat feed?

This TV looks great with my Pioneer blu-ray player but leaves a lot to be desired with 720p/1080i. I realize that is the weak link with the TV but was wondering if something like a inexpensive Onkyo receiver with the Faroudja chip would be an improvement over the scaler in this Mitsu. The Denon's seem to come with the best video in the sub 1000 price range; but to get one with preouts cost a bunch more than onkyo/marantz/etc...

Currently I'm hooked to Directv HR20-700 with the HDMI going directly to the TV. On the audio side an Emotiva LMC-1 processor (no hdmi) with a parasound amp I'm not getting rid of any time soon.

The Onkyo rec. should do a better job then the HDTV set at scaling video to 1080p. But I'd recommend getting the DVDO Edge video processor instead. The best part is that you don't have to worry about your video when you upgrade your audio. Plus it acts as a auto HDMI switcher/HUB, which is a nice touch. You can also use the device on any future HDTV.

Ya I was checking into that as well. Looks like amazon has the best deal around on those.

I just feel like I can spend 400 on a receiver plus video chip which would then allow me to recoup some funds selling my pre/pro; or spend 400 on the DVDO alone. I've still got to do more research on the DVDO because it looks like it has a lot of features that could prove useful.

Received my tv (WD-60C10) on Tuesday. In speaking with the Pilot delivery man, he said their warehouse is jammmmmed with all these tv's can't even use the hi-lo. After hearing all the delivery horror stories I wasn't very confident that I would get mine in time. I have to say I am now very pleased with the tv. I have even adjusted some settings and have found a configuration I like. I do wish I would have gotten the one I saw on QVC it had internet apps, which I thought was cool. but it was over a $1000.
ColnelAce: you and I have the same story, I bought from Dell, and I also sold my 37inch Vizio LCD, so my net payment will be $289. Good luck I hope you get your tv soon.

A few days ago it was 349 at the same place but has gone up in price. Guess the Holiday deals are going away do to the increase in spending this year.

I wouldn't recommend using a low end rec. as a audio processor. You have separates and will take a hit with audio going lower-end. I also have a Parasound amp (older 5 channel demo unit that I scored for $650 bucks several years ago) and use a Boston Acoustics rec. that doesn't have any amp. Before I had the Boston Acoustics rec. I used a mid-range Yamaha rec. with amp. While the Parasound amp made the Yamaha sound better/stronger (used pre-outs) it still didn't come close to matching what the Boston Acoustic rec. did when hooked up to the Parasound amp. So don't shoot yourself in the foot and upgrade your video while downgrading your audio.

Also, the video processors in these mid-low end rec. are not all that great, Denon is the exception. So while you might get a "deal" so to speak, you'll get the best video if you upgrade to the DVDO Edge. Then look for an older/used 5.1 rec. which has the best audio performance. After all, that's the whole reason for going separates anyway - so you can get the best out of your gear and upgrade just the parts that are needed.

My Boston Acoustic rec. doesn't have HDMI but I don't care and will probably own it for many years to come (10+ years). Sure it would be nice to have a rec. that supports the newer audio formats (DTS-HD MA) but for movies I don't think there will be a huge improvement over DTS. At least not enough for me to drop a grand (or more) to upgrade to a rec. that has similar audio performance but with additional audio format support. And most material only has 5.1 audio channels so I don't see a need to upgrade for additional audio channels either. I really wish more people would go separates. And if they don't mind going used then they can build a audio theater system for pretty much the same cost as a mid-end system. But the audio quality will be much better. Of course, you have to get the wife acceptance factor (if they have one) since good speakers and subs are big. Never understood why people would spend more for smaller speakers that sound like crap or have limited range. Go figure.

You can add internet features to your new HDTV by using either a PC (with Windows Media Center or Boxee, which is free) or by getting a standalone device like the Boxee Box or the Popcorn Hour. I really don't like having features like that added to HDTVs since after market devices are much much better. Yet, if they include it in a HDTV I still have to pay for that extra crap that I don't want or will replace with something else.

So for around $189 (on sale) you can get a Boxee Box which supports more internet apps, comes with a remote which has a keyboard on one side, and supports pretty much any photo/audio/video file format you can give it. The Boxee Box also allows you to move it to another set or take it to a friends house.

Dear fellow Mitsu owners,

I have a WD-60C10 (same as the 638), and I am experiencing difficulties connecting my PS3 to it ("Invalid Format" error). I made this thread, to highlight the issue: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1296844.

If anyone has a PS3 connected to their 638/C10 and it is working properly, please let me know. The thread explains it, but I have tried a lot of settings to no avail.

Also, is it just my unit, or does these TVs have a layer on the screen that makes it look a little grainy? Almost like the screen is made of kaviar. It does not destroy the picture by any means, but it is certainly noticeable, especially if you turn up brightness/look at brighter areas. Is it just me?


Thanks a million!

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Lucid69: thanks for the information on the boxee etc... I was wondering what else was out there. I had my vizio hooked up to the laptop occasionally but that was through VGA, these Mits have the DVI which my laptop doesn't have. I was going to try to find and adapter, not sure if they make one. but anyway, I will look into the two devices you mentioned, I love gadgets and those sound really cool.

I also got mine from Dell and was wondering what settings you are using?

yea i spoke with pilot today they said the tv wont reach the warehouse til monday and that doesnt mean ill get it then either i swear im never buying anything from dell not even a screw! expedited my @$$ but what settings u used i was looking at two from the forums i will try those because some calibration beats my usual untouched factory settings

Having some trouble feeding a PC image through to WD 60C10. Have tried on both component input and HDMI input on the TV.

For component I used a VGA to component transcoder coming out of the PC VGA port, with output settings on the transcoder set a at both 480p and 1080i. No go, although it did briefly display on the 480p setting. I know it's not the transcoder, because it worked via component on my old 42" Mitsu I just replaced.

Also tried using DVI output from PC, with a DVI to HDMI cable (into HDMI 3 input), and resolution set at 1920 x 1080 and a 60hz refresh rate, which the manual states the Mitsu should display.

In both cases, i received "Invalid Format" message on Mitsu. Tried toggling through the format settings via remote button, but same message each time.

Any thoughts?

I found out that this is the effect I am experiencing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_screen_effect

It is not a problem with my unit unfortunately, but with all DLPs it seems...

It seems a lot of people are experiencing "Invalid Format" issues with the C10s. I created the following thread about it, hoping that a solution would be found (it currently describes a temporary fix for the PS3): http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1296844

As I stated earlier in this thread I see a ton of SSE on my 60638. Pretty happy with it in other ways but the SSE is so bad that the picture loses a lot of clarity. I see in the other thread you are getting a new one from Dell, you should post back when it comes and let us know how the SSE is on the new one. If it's better at all I may have to try and do the same.

I will definitely do that! I have calibrated the "Normal" display mode with the settings suggested here by sharpsuxx, as well as made a custom one with more colors for animated movies etc. The Silk Screen Effect is still very apparent in both cases.

Sounds like you might have an older chipset which might be a problem.

I too having problem hooking up my computer to my 60638 at 1920x1080 @60Hz, it displays 'Invalid Format'. However, it displays 1280x720 with no problem. After playing around, I was able to get it to display 1920x1080 at 30Hz. The manual does not mention this, but 30Hz is the only way I can get it to work. The overscan is terrible, I can barely see the task bar and the Start button, anyone knows how to adjust the overscan, maybe thru service menu?

Just got my WD-60C10, updated from a 32 LCD Samsung. Boy what difference size makes .

Had a quick question, read through the thread but I am still unclear on this: I have an Xbox 360 and Panasonic DMP-BDT100. I would like to use those 2 sources to view 3D with this TV. The Mitsubishi 3D starter kit is kind of pricy for me, are there any alternatives? If I am correct for the TV I got I need an adapter and 3D glasses correct?

Could be - it's an nVidia dual output card I installed in the XP machine back in 07, although I'm not familiar with what monitor compatability issues can be created by video card chipsets.

Finally got it "sort of" working last night, where it would display for a few seconds, then go to invalid format, then go blank, then cycle through again, as if the TV was struggling with how to display. No output that is usable yet, but at least I'm getting signs of life. Will try hooking up a newer laptop instead of the deskptop to see if I can isolate the issue to the desktop hardware. That would certainly relieve some concerns I'm starting to have about the G10 formatting input signals. Briefly receive the same "invalid format" messages when changing channels on the cable box or switching input selections on the TV. Seems to take a while for the signal to register and the TV to figure out what to do with it.

pww118 - thanks for that tip, will also try that this evening.

I had initial issues where I'd get invalid format. I found the solution was to reboot the PC, hit F8 to pull up safe mode and load windows with low-VGA settings.

After I got in, I was able to set the resolution to 1920x1080 at 60Hz with no problem. For the overscan issue, assuming you are using an nVidia are or ATI, you can use their custom software that installs with the driver to adjust the overscan (you'll find when you launch Windows in low VGA mode, there is no overscan).

Is it possible on this TV to use a DVI to HDMI converter for display and use a 3.5mm to RCA for the audio?

I don't believe there is which is posing a problem where now I need to go out and buy a receiver but I wanted to see if maybe I was missing something.

I guess the alternative would be to buy a new video card with HDMI out and hook up the audio to go through the HDMI cable.

It is possible, I'm doing this right now. My HTPC has HDMI out, but for some reason I cannot get the 60638 to recognize the signal, so I'm using a DVI -> HDMI dongle and feeding HDMI video and 3.5" audio to the TV.

I had this one from Newegg for <$30 which works very well passing audio to TV thru HDMI, also enable hardware acceralation(DXVA) for playing HD video. You will like it.

Are you staying in the safe mode during the whole session? Will it work in the normal mode after that?

Yes I remember seeing that option to adjust overscan thru display driver. Will try it tonight, thanks for the tip.

I will be running my WD60638 with AT&T HD cable TV through a Yamaha RX-V1900. I am receiving the Mitsubishi sometime today (delivery truck broke down). The V1900 has a Anchor Bay VRS video chip in it and I am very curious to see how it upscales non-1080p native sources to 1080p. I plan on letting the Yamaha do the video upscaling work vs the Mitsubishi due to TV's processor is not that great.

I agree I would not get rid of your Parasound amp. You may want to check with the Yamaha RX-V1900. It is has preouts, 130w/ch, HDMI 1.3a specs all for around $600 now on ebay. I bought mine for $570 when NewEgg was having their sale back in early Nov.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio..._u/?mode=model

I will post back with results.
Just curious what model Pioneer Blu-Ray you have. I run a BDP-51FD

Food for thought: Anchor Bay (which is found on select Yamaha receivers) founded DVDO Inc in 1997, which makes such video processors as the Edge.

Looks like TigerDirect might be paying for me to ship my 60638 back. I haven't decided what to do yet but I think I may have to ship it on back. It's a shame I really wanted to like this TV. Might just pony up for the panasonic gt25.

You do your research on them on the internet. Do not order t.v.'s over the internet. After research you go to the store and buy it. A T.V. is a large item to ship and go through the mail system, being dropped and everything else, which would cause your problems. Its a gamble to take, and some do, but you dont want your expensive investment handled by others to much as they dont care and will be careless. 60638's were selling crazy on Black friday at fry's, and lucky to get this over the 60C10, which weren't selling as the sales guy said they were a flawed model, but what did he know right. Oh and those contrast, etc. settings work for me except when watching Avatar, the characters turned from blue to gray so I had to go to Brilliant mode, any ideas? Thanks. '60638 here"