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Mitsubishi HC4000

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9/22/10 at 12:31pm
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http://www.projectorreviews.com/mitsubishi/hc4000/
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9/22/10 at 12:56pm
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Can't wait to see how this compares to the Epson 8350
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post #3 of 1524
9/22/10 at 3:14pm
Things are heating up!

I really like the specs on this projector, and wish I could watch one in person. So far I've seen the 6800 live and it was impressive, but it's not DLP.

I could really go for a kink free HC4000, but are they hard to set up with no lens shift? I may have a pro do the install, I'm really afraid of that off set and getting it right without some major keystoning. I'm not a handy guy in that sense, techie, but not handy. Although my "blank" room I think I could get the positioning right with relative ease if I knew what I was doing.
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post #4 of 1524
9/22/10 at 4:31pm
Yes!!!
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post #5 of 1524
9/22/10 at 7:19pm
This might be the projector that gets me upgrade. But I did not see any mention of expected availability. Did I miss it or has that not been set yet.
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post #6 of 1524
9/23/10 at 12:31am
That link isnt working, is it down ?
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post #7 of 1524
9/23/10 at 12:50am
Guys is the offset the same on this projector ?
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post #8 of 1524
9/23/10 at 1:50am
Link doesn't seem to work. Is that a review of HC4000 ?
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post #9 of 1524
9/23/10 at 4:27am
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

Guys is the offset the same on this projector ?

Yes. Before the link was taken down, Art said the offset was about 16 inches for a 100 inch diagonal screen. That is the same as the HC3800.
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post #10 of 1524
9/23/10 at 5:53am
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Yes. Before the link was taken down, Art said the offset was about 16 inches for a 100 inch diagonal screen. That is the same as the HC3800.

That is a bit more offset than I would like, but I think I can live with it. I generally do not like to be among the first to buy a new product, but in this case I may may not want to wait. I noticed that Projector People took down the 3800 link the other day. Hopefully this is leading up to adding a link to the 4000.

Does anyone have any experience with any of the sponsor vendors for projector purchases? Projector People seems to have a more organized site than Visual Apex, but I have not bought anything from either one and do not know anything about their service, etc.
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post #11 of 1524
9/23/10 at 6:40am
Off subject for a sec but are those Epson projectors out now and due out look as HUGE as they do ?
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post #12 of 1524
9/23/10 at 5:12pm
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/m...3d-projectors/


They list it as 3D?

(or maybe only the Diamond version? anyone have cost on that?)
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post #13 of 1524
9/23/10 at 6:44pm
That's a mistake on engadget's part. The press release makes no mention of 3D for the HC4000. Someone didn't read the press release when they titled the post as "Mitsubishi America offers up two new 3D projectors".
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post #14 of 1524
9/23/10 at 7:18pm
http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....rs/HC4000.html
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post #15 of 1524
9/24/10 at 6:09am
Just received this reply to a request.

The HC3800 was discontinued a month ago and we sold out around that same time. We have no more information on the HC4000 other than what you have read. With CEDIA going on there will be announcements early next week on new product pricing and availability.

I look forward to your call. Thanks,
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post #16 of 1524
9/24/10 at 6:22am
Looks promising, not much improvement from the 3800 though. Kind of like the W1000+ that replaced the W1000.
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post #17 of 1524
9/24/10 at 7:41am
Let's hope most of the improvements came on debugging the unit and quality control. Image-wise we've already got a winner.
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post #18 of 1524
9/25/10 at 1:30am
Lol... we'll see. I have my bets on the w1000+
Wahahaha.
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post #19 of 1524
9/25/10 at 7:21am
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Looks promising, not much improvement from the 3800 though. Kind of like the W1000+ that replaced the W1000.

What chip does the 1000+ use? I realize that the 4000 does not have a lot of changes from the 3800, but I had the 3800 high up on my list already and better blacks and shadow detail were one thing I really wanted. The upgrade to a Darkchip 3 hopefully will help that.

My first real projector other than some experimenting with an early business projector was upgrading to an Optima HD70. It was a great choice for me at the time and I still really enjoy it, but am finally getting to the point where the black levels just do not cut it at times I am really hoping that an HC4000 or something similar will provide a big jump is performance in those areas at a modest cost. I do not think the 1000+ is as likely to do that, but time will tell.

The one thing I really do not understand is why projector companies do not offer projectors in this price range with an option of a black or a white case? That is not a very expensive feature to offer, and it can make a big difference. Even toasters and coffee pots are sometimes offered in a choice of two colors and here we are talking about a product that sells for over $1000. I understand that people with a true home theater with dark walls would probably want a black projector. But this model is equally likely to be used in a multi use room with more traditional wall colors where a black projector might be a total eyesore.

Oh well, you cannot have everything.
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post #20 of 1524
9/25/10 at 9:28am
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The one thing I really do not understand is why projector companies do not offer projectors in this price range with an option of a black or a white case? That is not a very expensive feature to offer, and it can make a big difference. Even toasters and coffee pots are sometimes offered in a choice of two colors and here we are talking about a product that sells for over $1000. I understand that people with a true home theater with dark walls would probably want a black projector. But this model is equally likely to be used in a multi use room with more traditional wall colors where a black projector might be a total eyesore.

Oh well, you cannot have everything.

While I prefer it in black, due to having burgundy walls and a black ceiling in my theater. I understand that some would like it in white. It's not like they don't already have a white case. The HC3200 uses the same case but in white.
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post #21 of 1524
9/27/10 at 12:26am
Art has the first review of the new HC4000 (a pre-production model he received at the end of August). See his review here: http://www.projectorreviews.com/mitsubishi/hc4000/.
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post #22 of 1524
9/28/10 at 8:26am
Looks like another winner with most of the bugs fixed from the HC3800, based on Art's review using DC3.

Time to unload the 3800 again?!
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post #23 of 1524
9/28/10 at 2:39pm
I have been reading about all of the new models and the HC4000 seems to be what I am looking for. I currently have a Optoma HD70 that is dying. First the HDMI input failed and now blues are turning green.

My concern with the HC4000 is the 4x color wheel speed. My HD70 has a 4x wheel and I sometimes see Rainbows.

I have had 2 DLP projectors and like the look. I tried to audition an Epson LCD, but all I could find was a Mitz 6800. I did not like the black level. I was able to see a JVC HD350 and I looked great, but was out of my price range.

Has color wheel technology improved or will I still sometimes see rainbows?
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post #24 of 1524
9/29/10 at 4:16am
BenQ w1000+ ? whats the + for? I cant find this on their website.
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post #25 of 1524
9/29/10 at 11:03am
I see RBE in the 3800, but less w/ the 3000, similar speed and setting. Also saw RBE w/ the Optoma HD72, even noisier. I saw occasion RBE even w/ the 5x from BenQ or Optoma (had too many models). At least I do not suffer headache, other than eye strained.

There is no advance in this color wheel technology, at least at this price level. I've had both the Epson 400 and HC3000 back to back but found the latter's better for movies. The downside to the Mitsu's are noise, some light spillage and possibly installation flexibility. Epson makes the LCD panels for Mitsu 6800, as well as others, except maybe Sony.

In terms of quality, it's a toss up between Espon and Mitsu.

I do love my JVC RS2 which I got as a B-stock from AVS.
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post #26 of 1524
9/30/10 at 3:01am
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I see RBE in the 3800, but less w/ the 3000, similar speed and setting. Also saw RBE w/ the Optoma HD72, even noisier. I saw occasion RBE even w/ the 5x from BenQ or Optoma (had too many models). At least I do not suffer headache, other than eye strained.

There is no advance in this color wheel technology, at least at this price level. I've had both the Epson 400 and HC3000 back to back but found the latter's better for movies. The downside to the Mitsu's are noise, some light spillage and possibly installation flexibility. Epson makes the LCD panels for Mitsu 6800, as well as others, except maybe Sony.

In terms of quality, it's a toss up between Espon and Mitsu.

I do love my JVC RS2 which I got as a B-stock from AVS.


speaking of that love, how would you compare that lcos look to the dlp look of the optoma/benq/mits??

i don't suffer rainbows so i wouldn't count that as an issue (i guess i'm just to cold and bitter to see rainbows LOL!)

i'm afraid to jump on the LCoS projectors and the LCDs just look awful and i like the DLP pop.

also hard to get a good bang for the buck in LCoS land
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post #27 of 1524
9/30/10 at 5:55am
LCOS and DLP are different viewing experience. To me, contrast is a very critical aspect of viewing experience, besides skin tone, black and depth. From a financial perspective, I cannot justify the 2x plus expense, but that is why they sell BMWs and Mazdas (have both). I used the JVC primarily for HD movies while the 3800 for sports and non-HD movies. For the majority, my brother-in-law was happy when he saw the hc3800, very transportable to boot and easy to the wallet. He is retired but I'm still working.

I did not go for a hi-end DLP due to RBE, an annoying factor but not a deal breaker. The other DLP I had in the past was the 720p Benq 8700 plus, but the color was not natural. The Mitsu 4000 DC3's contrast on paper is a step up but reasonable. Never saw the Samsung but I'm sure it's one of the best DLPs out there, based on the 3k plus forum. This hobby, like any others, could get very expensive and addictive.

After going thru about 8-10 DLP and LCD PJs, even my wife noticed the JVC but none of the others impressed her. She only watches in her 42 inch plasma but just as happy w/ her old 27 inch Sony CRT. I'm looking to "upgrade" hers to a Samsung 50 or 58 inch plasma.

One last note, I found OTA free HD channels's sports are better than cable or dish. It's a pretty well kept secret if you can pick up the signal. I love NFL using the Mitsu 3800. It does have the pop.

Good luck and enjoy.
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post #28 of 1524
9/30/10 at 7:18am
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I have been reading about all of the new models and the HC4000 seems to be what I am looking for. I currently have a Optoma HD70 that is dying. First the HDMI input failed and now blues are turning green.

My concern with the HC4000 is the 4x color wheel speed. My HD70 has a 4x wheel and I sometimes see Rainbows.

I have had 2 DLP projectors and like the look. I tried to audition an Epson LCD, but all I could find was a Mitz 6800. I did not like the black level. I was able to see a JVC HD350 and I looked great, but was out of my price range.

Has color wheel technology improved or will I still sometimes see rainbows?

Your issue is not very uncommon and the kind of thing I think should be addressed more by projector reviewers. Some people looking at the HC4000 or similar projectors are new to the market, or have already decided to upgrade, and want a comparison to similarly priced projectors on the market today. But there are also a lot of folks who have an older entry level machine like the HD-70 and want to know how much of an improvement they are likely to see if they spring for an upgrade.

Of course the ideal tactic is to see as many projectors as possible in person and to possibly try them out in the same or similar viewing conditions. That is not always practical and many people end up relying a lot on reviews. However the HD-70 needed a lot of adjustment to get good image quality and the posted specs cannot be used to compare it accurately to today's models. Also, the reviews that were done at the time of the HD-70 introduction were slanted by novelty of this being one of the first really low cost HD projectors.

I for one would like to see reviewers spend more time addressing the upgrade issue. The color wheel speeds do not seem to be much better for low end DLP, but today's entry level projectors seem to offer quite a bit more in the way of contrast, resolution, calibrated brightness, out of the box performance, etc. I suspect that the technology advancements over the last few years would make the transition from the HD-70 to almost any of the entry level 1080P projectors available today a major upgrade. But that is just a guess and you will probably want to see some in person if you can.
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post #29 of 1524
9/30/10 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by tsaksa View Post

Your issue is not very uncommon and the kind of thing I think should be addressed more by projector reviewers. Some people looking at the HC4000 or similar projectors are new to the market, or have already decided to upgrade, and want a comparison to similarly priced projectors on the market today. But there are also a lot of folks who have an older entry level machine like the HD-70 and want to know how much of an improvement they are likely to see if they spring for an upgrade.

Of course the ideal tactic is to see as many projectors as possible in person and to possibly try them out in the same or similar viewing conditions. That is not always practical and many people end up relying a lot on reviews. However the HD-70 needed a lot of adjustment to get good image quality and the posted specs cannot be used to compare it accurately to today's models. Also, the reviews that were done at the time of the HD-70 introduction were slanted by novelty of this being one of the first really low cost HD projectors.

I for one would like to see reviewers spend more time addressing the upgrade issue. The color wheel speeds do not seem to be much better for low end DLP, but today's entry level projectors seem to offer quite a bit more in the way of contrast, resolution, calibrated brightness, out of the box performance, etc. I suspect that the technology advancements over the last few years would make the transition from the HD-70 to almost any of the entry level 1080P projectors available today a major upgrade. But that is just a guess and you will probably want to see some in person if you can.

I have been quite happy with the HD70 over the last 3 years. I had one of the first few available. A little extra brightness and a little better black level would be nice. I would love to like an LCD, but I was not at all impressed with the 6800 Mitz. The blacks seemed washed out. This is what I remember from earlier LCDs.

This is going to be my 4th projector. I actually bought my first CRT projector from AV science for a lot more money then I cared to spend. Second was an InFocus LS110 that also cost a lot. I am having a hard time justifying spending a lot on a new one after the HD70 being 1K with an awesome picture at the time.

That all said. I am anxious for a major upgrade. Is the HC4000 going to be it or should I wait to hear about the JVC 250? I'm pretty sure I won't be able to see either. Will the JVC 250 be as bright as the HC4000? All of the brightness specs are confusing. I won't even mention how confusing contrast is. The other projector that may work is the Epson 8500UB. The specs make it seem like it should have awesome blacks, but I am told not as good as the JVCs

Any thoughts? John
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post #30 of 1524
9/30/10 at 12:11pm
I hope I didn't make a mistake. I just ordered an Epson 6500UB Refurb. It may not be the best, but I think it will be a big upgrade to the HD70. If I am disappointed it is cheap enough and I can sell it and try again. I will not miss the Rainbows.
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