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post #121 of 1524
11/15/10 at 5:14am
Few photos from Ice Age 3- 720p mkv




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post #122 of 1524
11/15/10 at 5:18am
Fifth Element from BLURAY




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post #123 of 1524
11/15/10 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by tskalecki View Post

So hot:
Mitsubishi HC 4000 projector is the best till ever was in my house. I am a DLP fan and I can'ts ee the rainbow so this problem may be that the only weakness of this projector for me to fall off.
Mitsu is just f .... cool. Phisical Look is not outstanding but it knocks with image quality settings and the ability to just be cool. We have the ability to set the range of 3 gama settings predefined , full color adjustments in the six primary colors R, G, B, C, M, Y, or if someone has a colorimeter and calibration applet can do full calibration, although not really needed, ideally a projector shines factory modes, mozan do small adjustments based on the settings of the sites http://www.projector...calibration.php, and is just perfect, not even the colors I've had with Sony HW15 which is also calibrated. Generally, the projector is a super sharp image is comparable to the mega three-dimensional image of Optomy HD82, perhaps by a very high contrast of 730:1 ANSI by measurements, and by the same chip DC3, the colors are perfectly saturated, the faces have a natural color, detail in dark scenes just perfect and really deep blacks. Perhaps a little weaker than the Sony but eqaul to Optoma which is almost 2 times expensive, my previous HD800x Optoma, Optoma HD20,which has recently tested do not have any chance on any of them got just such a great color or black level. Scene from Fifth Element with the ship on the background space, which is always used to describe blacks fared well, almost as good as the Sony HW-15 which I believe is bestthe projector with the best blacks from all that I saw in the middle class, of course, this is not a JVC but the three-dimensionality I think the picture is even better than the JVC.
Mitsubishi is still basically an advantage if you set it in Sport mode and calibrate the colors we can watch the movie without loss of image quality even at medium light, maybe not on a sunny day but some people like mi any projector so far could not make good performance with light in the kitchen / living room and the Mitsubishi without any loss in quality do it!!!! I could watch "Gladiator" perfect and full of saturated colors, black was black and white was white, image just super. Not to mention watching football games with my friends with glass in order to properly dispense "drinks relaxants" is superrrrr. I recommend this projector to anyone because I think that in price range to 1500 EUR there is no better pj, and even the the price to 2500 EUR ither, I will try tonight to embed some photos from the projection, and so even though the photos do not show the true image quality ones will give some idea of the picter quality
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post #124 of 1524
11/18/10 at 4:02pm
tskalecki, what screen size are you using? the image looks awesome!

i am very new to projectors and after doing a lot of research and reading on this forum, i think i've decided to go with the HC4000. I almost got the HC3800 but they aren't offering the free lamp rebate anymore so that was a buzz kill.

Is InFocus X10 in any way comparable to the HC4000? It is reasonably cheap ($770 refurb on newegg). Sorry if that is a dumb question.

Also, is there a "good time" to buy a projector? Do they generally go on sale around Christmas time or any other time of the year?

Thanks all!
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post #125 of 1524
11/18/10 at 4:55pm
Well, I bit the bullit and picked up the HC4000 for the kids rec. room. Last year for our bedroom I picked up the AE4000, as I was not impressed with the HC 3800 at all(the blacks were just a bit too gray, and the lack of lens shift and zoom didn't help). But I did see an HC 4000 last weekend locally and the blacks now to my eyes actually look black. Still no lens shift and a limited zoom, but it won't be needed in this setup.

What really made me jump on it though was the smokin deal I got from Projector People(they have always given me great deals and 1st class CS). They gave me a package deal of $1649 including shipping, which included the HC 4000, an EliteScreens Cinetension2 high contrast 84" tensioned electric screen and a Sanus MPR1B ceiling mount. I am a happy camper.
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post #126 of 1524
11/18/10 at 4:59pm
HC4000 should be a good step up from the X10.

The HC4000 is the best of the budget DLP's, even going up to the $2K+ price level. The exception would be if your priority is to watch sports with the lights on. In that case there are some cheaper DLP's that will give more lumens for that situation, though they do it with slower color wheels (more RBE), and also sacrafic movie quality in the dark (contrast, black levels, etc.).
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post #127 of 1524
11/18/10 at 5:29pm
thanks for the quick responses guys!

i will mostly be watching movies and regular tv (some sports, like tennis). i will probably be hooking up my computer to it to play some video games as well.

what kind of a screen should i be lookin to buy? i dont think i need anything bigger than 100". and i think i might even prefer a framed screen as i think it'll look nicer. what do you guys recommend?

also...i can only mount the project straight back from where the picture is going to be, correct? i cant project a picture from the side?
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post #128 of 1524
11/18/10 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by losmi8 View Post
thanks for the quick responses guys!

i will mostly be watching movies and regular tv (some sports, like tennis). i will probably be hooking up my computer to it to play some video games as well.

what kind of a screen should i be lookin to buy? i dont think i need anything bigger than 100". and i think i might even prefer a framed screen as i think it'll look nicer. what do you guys recommend?

also...i can only mount the project straight back from where the picture is going to be, correct? i cant project a picture from the side?
Being a fan of deep blacks, I find the best screen to use with the HC 4000 is a high contrast gray screen. The high contrast gray material that Elite Screens uses is absolutely top notch. Extremely fine texture to maximise resolution, has no hot spotting whatsoever, and reflects a near perfect 6500k temp,and you will still retain crisp bright clean whites too. Spending 10 times as much won't get you a better screen material. Elite has the HC material for both their Cinetension electric screens as well as their fixed frame models.
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post #129 of 1524
11/18/10 at 5:54pm
Comp-U-Plus has it for $1200. What do you guys think? Should I buy it? Is it going to get any cheaper soon? Or will Mitsubishi offer a free lamp rebate like they did with the HC3800?
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post #130 of 1524
11/18/10 at 6:01pm
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Comp-U-Plus has it for $1200. What do you guys think? Should I buy it? Is it going to get any cheaper soon? Or will Mitsubishi offer a free lamp rebate like they did with the HC3800?
Projector People will do $1200 plus free shipping, they match anybodies pricing and are a very reputable company. Considering it was just released, thats probably the best your gonna find it for awhile if you purchase it by itself.
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post #131 of 1524
11/18/10 at 7:15pm
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also...i can only mount the project straight back from where the picture is going to be, correct? i cant project a picture from the side?
yes it basically has to be straight back otherwise the picutre is distorted (think like how your shadow distorts as the sun moves across the sky)

keep in mind that diff pjs have diff mounting height location ranges
some can be mounted at the same level as the screen, others like this one are quite a bit above or below the screen, so you'll need the room
check the manual online or projector reviews calculator


screens are a whole nother subject; you can spend as much as the pj on one. nobody can tell what the "best' screen is, except maybe telling you about one of the higher end well renowned models that cost as much as this PJ. spend time in those screen forums for ideas.



and yes, generally the price always drops, hard to tell where when and so forth
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post #132 of 1524
11/19/10 at 7:50am
The mitsubishi needs to be mounted about 14-18" above or below the screen. Less than that and your going to be using a few clicks of keystone which you want to try and avoid if possible.
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post #133 of 1524
11/19/10 at 10:53am
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also...i can only mount the project straight back from where the picture is going to be, correct? i cant project a picture from the side?

Can't project from the side.

As for projecting from above the screen (assuming ceiling mount), this PJ has a fixed offset, which changes dependent on screen size. It's 'fixed' because you can't change the offset once you settle on your image size (PJ's with lens shift can change the offset).

Use Mits' projection calculator to crunch the numbers http://global.mitsubishielectric.com....html?p=hc4000
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post #134 of 1524
11/19/10 at 3:03pm
Well, after getting a couple defective HC4000s and some shady customer service from this place called powersellerNYC, I charged back on my credit card when they refused to refund me. I'm pretty sure they were selling factory rejects and/or returned open boxes. Stay away from these guys!

I ordered one this morning from Comp-U-Plus for $1210. It shows it already shipped! They are only like 100 miles from my house so hopefully I'll have it Monday. :-)
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post #135 of 1524
11/19/10 at 9:34pm
Visual Apex has them in stock for $1295....
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post #136 of 1524
11/20/10 at 7:32pm
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Well, after getting a couple defective HC4000s and some shady customer service from this place called powersellerNYC, I charged back on my credit card when they refused to refund me. I'm pretty sure they were selling factory rejects and/or returned open boxes. Stay away from these guys!

I ordered one this morning from Comp-U-Plus for $1210. It shows it already shipped! They are only like 100 miles from my house so hopefully I'll have it Monday. :-)

Hi smonska, I cannot find HC 4000 in Comp-U-Plus website. How can you find it?
Thanks in advance.
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post #137 of 1524
11/20/10 at 10:32pm
Neither can I. I guess they sold out? I got a "shipped" message so it seems I lucked out.
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post #138 of 1524
11/21/10 at 12:23pm
Just got my HC4000 and mounted it up to replace my Infocus SP4800. Overall the picture quality is amazing, really bright and sharp with amazing pop in the colors. However it seems to have two issues. First on an all black screen the left side is slightly blacker than the right (projector is ceiling mounted). The right side is more of a charcoal grey where the left is darker and blacker. Is this normal? My 4800 didn't have this issue.

Also, overall it seems almost to bright on my 92" 1.1 grey screen. Has anyone used a ND2 filter. It would be nice darken down the blacks a bit.
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post #139 of 1524
11/21/10 at 12:45pm
Just use it for 100 hrs or so. Lamp brightness drops quite significantly in first 100 hrs and stabilizes.
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post #140 of 1524
11/21/10 at 2:30pm
On a white screen is the brightness uneven as well? I got a couple of defective ones where one side of the screen was noticably dimmer than the other. I'd say return it and get another, brightness/blackness should be perfectly uniform.
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post #141 of 1524
11/22/10 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by bjmoon01 View Post

Hi smonska, I cannot find HC 4000 in Comp-U-Plus website. How can you find it?
Thanks in advance.

Guys, Projectorpeople.com has it in stock and will always match or beat anyone else's advertised price and always has free shipping. Ask for Rich and give em a shot. I have ordered through them many times over the past 4-5 years, always the best price and customer service.
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post #142 of 1524
11/22/10 at 10:49pm
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On a white screen is the brightness uneven as well? I got a couple of defective ones where one side of the screen was noticably dimmer than the other. I'd say return it and get another, brightness/blackness should be perfectly uniform.

Yes, on both all white and all black screens the left side, especially the lower left side is dimmer with a bit of a red cast to it. Ugg, so I have to return it.

Wondering if I should return it and get that refurb deal on the Infocus X10?
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post #143 of 1524
11/23/10 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by advgeek View Post

Yes, on both all white and all black screens the left side, especially the lower left side is dimmer with a bit of a red cast to it. Ugg, so I have to return it.

Wondering if I should return it and get that refurb deal on the Infocus X10?

The throw distance on the X10 is farther than the Mits. Make sure it works in your setup.
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post #144 of 1524
11/23/10 at 2:54pm
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The throw distance on the X10 is farther than the Mits. Make sure it works in your setup.

Yes, I'm actually at the far end on the zoom of the HC4000. The X10 would work fine. I guess my question is will I be happy with the black level and contrast of the X10. With my 92" 1.1 screen I believe I could stop down the iris on the X10 quite a bit. Will that make a noticeable difference in contrast and black level?
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post #145 of 1524
11/24/10 at 3:19am
Can anyone tell me if their HC4000 is Japan or China made? Thanks.
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post #146 of 1524
11/24/10 at 4:06am
From China with love. Probably explains the now 3 bad units I have received, with the same issues the advgeek is having.

My previous Mitsubishi, a 720p HD1000 was made in Japan and was flawless with an evenly bright image.
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post #147 of 1524
11/24/10 at 4:27am
I have the exact same image uniformity problem with my hc3800 as I already made a thread about 2 days ago or so... Just mine isn't ceilling mounted (its on the floor) and also darker / red on the right upper corner and gray on the bottom left corner. So basically the same just that mines not ceilling mounted and the corners are switched because of that. I don't know if I want to go through the work to send it back and then probably just get another one thats as bad and so on... Really sucks but on the other hand no one should accept missing quality control. The problem you report was already there with the 3800.
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post #148 of 1524
11/24/10 at 5:26am
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From China with love. Probably explains the now 3 bad units I have received, with the same issues the advgeek is having.

My previous Mitsubishi, a 720p HD1000 was made in Japan and was flawless with an evenly bright image.

So the unit you received from Comp-U-Plus had the same issue? I have one on the way from Projector People that should arrive soon from UPS. I'll have to post my results. Hopefully, if this is a common problem, we can gather some more info on it, as there don't seem to be a lot of first hand experiences with this model on the internet. It seems that tskalecki is one of the few people in this thread that is perfectly satisfied.
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post #149 of 1524
11/24/10 at 6:43am
Yes sir, the unit from compuplus had terrible uniformity as well. I'm not really being picky either, it's a pretty dramatic and obvious difference. I can't imagine tskalecki wouldn't notice it unless it's his first projector and he's still on his honeymoon with projection. ;-) Let me know if you get a "good one" from Projector People, and #4 (is it worth it?) would be from them!

I'm feeling like for a good 1080P DLP I may have to step up to a BenQ W6000. I'd really rather not spend the extra $800 though.
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post #150 of 1524
11/24/10 at 10:38am
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Yes sir, the unit from compuplus had terrible uniformity as well. I'm not really being picky either, it's a pretty dramatic and obvious difference. I can't imagine tskalecki wouldn't notice it unless it's his first projector and he's still on his honeymoon with projection. ;-) Let me know if you get a "good one" from Projector People, and #4 (is it worth it?) would be from them!

I'm feeling like for a good 1080P DLP I may have to step up to a BenQ W6000. I'd really rather not spend the extra $800 though.
I'm sort of leaning that way too, I hate to have to keep exchanging them until I get a good one. The non uniformity is pretty bad, especially in mostly dark scenes like end credits. Top right is sort of grey/green and lower left is sort of red/black. I do hate to spend another $800, sort of tempted by a refurb X10, although I've heard of some reliability problems with those too and would likely be a step down in black level (?). As a DLP lover would I be happy with a Panasonic AE4000 LCD? I do like the 2.35:1 option since I mostly watch movies. Would mean another $400 for a new screen as well. Benq W6000 sounds like it has really great PQ and black level for a DLP. All of them will work for my install. Choice, choice ...
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