Mitsubishi HC4000 - Page 44

coderguy - come on over to the darkside and try the JVC. Was hoping that you'd finally end up over here.
Maybe it'll be what your looking for and the quest will be over. :-) - Don

Yeah, I agree. Give it up already and get a JVC! I love mine. No fatigue and I can watch for hours. Dark scenes are smooth. Getting ready to watch Tron 2 which I was avoiding for the longest time. I can join you in your RBE pain. I guess we are one of the few! Lucky us!

Well, I wasn't too impressed with rainbow city either. Honestly, I don't really know what's not to like. At the rate you are going, you might as well get a RS40 and call it a day.

Wow - you're screwed. Might be time to increase your pj budget or get a 100" TV.

With 27ftL??

If the Sanyo was that bright in terms of ftL, and has better supposed contrast than the Mits, but you still found it lacking pop in brightscenes, maybe the gamma is just out of whack out of the box. I'm assuming if you kept it under 1 hour you didn't have time to calibrate it completely? Does it have full gamma tweaking controls like the HC4000 does?

Sounds like you need two set ups. That is what I do. While I can watch TV and movies on either set up, I pretty much watch TV on the set up with the High Power screen and DC3 DLP and movies in the dedicated room using a 1.2 gain AT screen with a 1080P LCD. Though I will have to admit that everything looks good on the Marantz VP-12S4 and High Power set up.

I don't mean this in a bad way but you guys remind me of those that are always tweaking their computers trying to squeeze out an extra 200mhz out of their CPU. Spend time after time tweaking and messing around with settings snd never get to simply sit down, enjoy a movie and then carry on with their lives. I say this because I was like that! lol Always messing with overclocking and tweaking in general until I realized I would never be content. Sometimes it is what it is. Just enjoy what you have in front of you and don't sweat the small stuff. By today's standards, VHS looks HORRIBLE, but when VHS was the king of the crop, we ALL enjoyed watching them our 19" Magnavox CRTs. Did it matter that the resolution sucked and many of us were connecting the vcr to the TV via coaxial cable? lol Yet we enjoyed it!

Like I said, not trying to criticize anyone, but nothing is perfect. Just enjoy what you have! :-)

Thanks Bishopt. Nice set up. Yours is not that dark room, but yr photos of the movie screenshots look awesome. Is it the calibration or may be the gray screen ? Guys instead of painting the walls, does these black drapes help the light reflection ?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Velvet-Bla...el-Red/5555770

Yes, absolutely!

Have some pics, did some more tweaking and I think I have the contrast and brightness dialed in pretty close also adjusted the red, which it was pushing...I have also figured out how to dial in DVD's vs blu-rays and it's amazing how well they look...took some screen shots...me and the klids have been watching all of the Star War movies, yeah yeah I know Orginal three and now started watching the prequels...threw up the men in black scene with the jacket this is what got me to finish calibrating it and adjust the red..I need to take another pic after the adjustment...











Hey coder what do you want me to look at in the menu, let me know and I'll take a look.

About to pull the trigger on an HC4000 package. Need advice for proper mount. Basement has a 7' 7" drop ceiling. Room is 30'L x 13' 8"W. Will be projecting the width not the length. Package will include the projector, an Elite SableFrame 106" white screen, 35' HDMI cable, and the appropriate mount. Any recommendations for this application? Will the projector have to hang down some number of inches below the ceiling tile? I'd like to avoid keystone, if possible. Anyone have this type of setup (coderguy?) and what did you do to mount properly? What mount/plate/downrod? Thanks, everyone.

I'll check tomorrow...are you sure you have the lens completely square to the screen?

What I mean is, are you sure you're projecting a totally square image, i.e. all corners 90 degrees? If there's any tilt you'll get something that sounds sort of like what you describe.

Well since I projected onto a wall in another room, I wouldn't have accidentally created the same exact amount of tilt since I completely moved the projector, see what I mean.

Yet, the CA was near identical, maybe a tiny bit different, but not much.

So yes, I'm sure.

Thanks Coder. Will order these. And good news everyone, i just put in some black blankets/screens on the side walls and the ceiling and the movie quality is awesome. Image is not washed away anymore. I see the pop without adjusting any settings. i love it. Thanksssssssssssssssssssssssssssss everybodyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. I am so happy.

Yup, good curtains.

Okay Coder, this is gettin' serious. First, put the knife down, and back away from the ledge. Now, slowly, and I mean very slowly.......... unhook the sticks of dynamite from your chest. Relax, and we can all come out of this in one piece........... everybody else, back away! Give him some space!

I'm just curious if my HC4000 has the same CA as everyone elses, because if it doesn't, then my sharpness comparison between the Sanyo and the Mits isn't 100% valid.
I don't remember my hc3800 having that CA.

By the time you are done testing, you will be due for a new lamp and start all over again. Ever planning on kicking back and watching a movie? lol

The Mits contrast barely changes maybe 25% or a bit more when calibrating, the Sanyo is all over the freaking place. It can look like an LCOS projector one minute, and then a washed out LCD from 10 years ago the next while calibrating. And, simply changing brightness/contrast doesn't fix it, once you calibrate too far into one mode, you're screwed.

I've only ran the Sanyo 3 hours on the lamp.

Coder, just funnin' with ya. I also really like the look of DLP, but have eye strain and RBE problems. So it's LCD or LCOS for me too. Good luck in your testing.

Coder, you live near Richmond, Virginia? I would sure love for you to come home and calibrate my 8350. Seriously bro, no kidding. I was just teasing ya a bit but I agree with you on wanting to calibrate the pj to it's best ability. For real bro, if you live near Richmond, hollar! :-)

Agreed.

Coder, when(if?) your search ends for the "holy grail" of projectors, why not come back then with a detailed summary as to why you chose that particular projector?

Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate your enthusiasm ... we're all passionate about our ht, hence are reason for being members of this fine forum.

ISF? Why you gotta mention my momma? LOL What is ISF and does it come sugar free?

If you mount it at the same height as the ceiling tile, the bottom edge of your image will be 18" above the ground, that is a bit to low for me...

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...y17/Image2.jpg

I have to make sure I'm happy, and to do so, the next and final sharpness test is going to require a magnifying glass (running to walgreens, haha).

Hello coderguy,

Koaz from down under, i have been reading your posts on the 3 current separate threads that you have been contributing too.

I take it that if it were not for your extreme RBE that you would be more than happy with or would it be fair to say you would have kept the Mits hc4000 and the search for a projector would be over (for now anyway).

As it is not always about darkest blacks but a good balance of decent respectable blacks and sharpness and contrast especially when we are talking about a projector under $1500USD.

please correct me if i am wrong.

That is the hardest part i suppose as i read somewhere you had a budget and you want to stick to it for whatever reason.

Most of the people here on this forum are mainly honest working class folk trying to do the best for their family while giving them the best education and a comfortable home but also along the way enjoy life as well.

We are not all blessed with huge wages and can afford to drop $3000USD plus on projectors like some others (same applies to me in Australia) the Mits hc4000 is about $2300AUD street price.
I also still have to factor in that i have to buy a projector screen and projector mount and 10 metre HDMI cable.

So that makes it even harder for me thus me reading and re-reading your comments to make sure i understand what your thoughts and other peoples are for blacks, sharpness and contrast.

I have read about 4 or 5 Mits hc4000 reviews as well as Art's review, also Art’s you-tube clip on the Mits hc4000 which was rather good.

In the end they all the reviews said about the same thing one way or the other, that the Mits hc4000 has not go the darkest blacks but more than acceptable, sharpness was very very good and also contrast.
This is from a projector with no DI and under $1500 USD.

What am i looking for, well a projector that has more than decent blacks, i want and like a sharp picture sand good contrast also a projector that can make an average dvd or blu-ray look good on the screen, and i am not looking for perfection as that these days just does not exist.

I will be going to the local projector showroom which is very rare to find in Melbourne that has the Mits HC4000 , HC3900 and HC3200 , Sanyo Z4000 , Benq W1000+ and W6000 , JVC DLA-HD250 and Infocus SP8600.
Then i can see for myself do i need to spend and extra $1000 or so or can i live with the picture and save myself $1000 or so.

I also asked a couple of questions on page 39. Still would be interesting to know what FL would i expect the Mits hc400 to produce ?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...278360&page=39

Also i would like to say a big thank you for your contributions as well you have made it very easy (after re-reading everything you have written a couple of times) to put the Mits on my short list.

From that list the Mits hc4000 is the safest bet. The contrast is the Mits is not so much worse in dark scenes as to bother me, personally I still prefer the POP of DLP overall, and LCOS too if you get a sharp enough unit.

So my meter i1 LT is not good for taking FL readings, however Backlash on a few pages back was getting around 13FL on a 106" Da-lite HCCV screen 1.1 Gain...all I know is that for a 106" screen it is plenty bright and that is in low lamp mode..from everything that I have read projector central FL numbers should be in the ballpark....In best mode I think there are only a couple of projectors that can beat it, Benq W6000, and the Infocus SP8600. So of those projectors, I have never seen the JVC but lots of folks speak highly of them, i would go in this order (in my house I have had the benq6000 and the mits): Low to High ranking

1. Mits hc4000
2. Benq W6000 (if the Iris noise doesnt bother you, it did for me and is why I went with the mits)
3. Infocus sp8600
3. JVC HD250

So I think the Infocus and the JVC are probably close in performance, I'm a DLP guy so it would come down to the unit and how sharp the JVC was for the one I was looking at as far as convergence go...unseen I would probably have to go with the Infocus if I had more money to spare

As always the Mits being your best bang for your buck, as always my .02

That's 106" wide too. Would be 60ish tall but it's cih