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post #61 of 1524
DLP is generally faster regarding lag as well (not just less motion blur) but without doing a side by side it is difficult to say if the Epson is actually worse (at least to the point that most would notice).

Jason
post #62 of 1524
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

DLP is generally faster regarding lag as well (not just less motion blur) but without doing a side by side it is difficult to say if the Epson is actually worse (at least to the point that most would notice).

Jason

Agreed, DLP seems to be a bit better at motion these days (but nothing compared to how far ahead they were against older LCD's).

Comparing the Mits or Epson to my old Sanyo Z5, the Z5 is much slower motion than either of those projectors, but the DLP is still better for motion overall.
post #63 of 1524
Hi,

Is here any guys who know where can I buy HC4000 with good price and trust? I searched some sites but don't know if they are trustable or not.
post #64 of 1524
seems available in PP now, VA end of the month.

price might go down a little bit when its widely available in different stores. I'm waiting for that to happen!!
post #65 of 1524
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Originally Posted by bjmoon01 View Post

Hi,

Is here any guys who know where can I buy HC4000 with good price and trust? I searched some sites but don't know if they are trustable or not.

Daniel said AV Science is selling them. Not sure if that means they are actually in stock, but maybe it's worth an email.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post19291603
post #66 of 1524
Mitsubishi is wasting time and market share, people already buying Epson.

any updates on the HC4000? i'm leaving the US end of October and i have to buy something.
post #67 of 1524
asay82 -- The pre-order prices are usually lower than the regular prices. There may be a price drop later next year (after a month or three, depending on the sales volume). If you are time limited (end of Oct.), then you need to call the dealer that you want to get it from. They will not be available until they are ready, and you can't push their schedule. That applies to any new PJ you want to buy.

Mendo -- You get a much faster response if you call one of the AVS sales people. Their email responses are slower due to their workload.
post #68 of 1524
I asked this question in the HC3800 thread and did not get a response. I'm actually more interested in the 4000 than the 3800, so if anyone here has information, I'd appreciate it. I'm looking for a good aspect ratio for displaying 2.35:1 movies on a 16:9 screen. Zoom1 & Zoom2 look like what I favor and use on my old Sim2, which has has programmable aspect ratios. On the Sim2, I choose a slight vertical stretch + slight zoom such that most of the widescreen extra horizontal is visible, and there are only slight black bars on top/bottom (just enough to view all of the closed captions and/or subtitles if I make the black bar all bottom). However, the Mitsubishi manuals say the available aspects vary by input source and don't make it clear whether these aspects can be used with 2:35:1 HDMI.

Does anyone know what aspect modes can be used with a HDMI/blu-ray input? For example, can you use Zoom1/Zoom2, or does the system automatically skip over them?
post #69 of 1524
I'm not sure but I'll throw in a 1080p BD when I get home tonight and post back.
post #70 of 1524
i want to replace my Optoma HD65, my options are VS Pro8100 and Mits HC4000, which have better sharp, black levels and colors?
Thxs to all.
post #71 of 1524
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Originally Posted by aka23 View Post

Does anyone know what aspect modes can be used with a HDMI/blu-ray input? For example, can you use Zoom1/Zoom2, or does the system automatically skip over them?

My 3800 skips over zoom1 and zoom2 when playing a BD. It does stop on anamorphic1, anamorphic2, 16:9 and auto.
post #72 of 1524
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Originally Posted by jorgemac View Post

i want to replace my Optoma HD65, my options are VS Pro8100 and Mits HC4000, wich have better sharp, black levels and colors?
Thxs to all.

For sharpness its going to be HC4000 or Benq w1000+, the benq most likely being the sharper of the two.
post #73 of 1524
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Originally Posted by jorgemac View Post

i want to replace my Optoma HD65, my options are VS Pro8100 and Mits HC4000, which have better sharp, black levels and colors?
Thxs to all.

Just my honest opinion here but considering the HC3800 is already over-all superior to the VS8100 regarding image quality I would have to take a guess and say that the HC4000 should be even more so (not many here have seen an HC4000 as of yet so we are all pretty much speculating at this point based upon the DC3 upgrade in the HC4000).

Jason
post #74 of 1524
DaGamePimp,
What kind of visible differences should one expect with DC3 in the 4000 over the 3800?
post #75 of 1524
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Originally Posted by MovieMike View Post

DaGamePimp,
What kind of visible differences should one expect with DC3 in the 4000 over the 3800?

Better black levels....
post #76 of 1524
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Originally Posted by MovieMike View Post

DaGamePimp,
What kind of visible differences should one expect with DC3 in the 4000 over the 3800?

Real world differences are slightly better BL and CR, I also feel there is a slightly more solid feel/look to a DC3 image due to the improved DMD implementation (narrowed pixel gap and what many call the 'dimple fix').

Jason
post #77 of 1524
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Real world differences are slightly better BL and CR, I also feel there is a slightly more solid feel/look to a DC3 image due to the improved DMD implementation (narrowed pixel gap and what many call the 'dimple fix').

Jason

I know this was the case for older 720p DC2 to DC3 chips, but aren't the newer 1080p DC2 chips better than the older 720p DC2 chips (ignoring resolution of course)?? I thought they implemented some of the 720p DC3 improvements into the DC2 1080p chips?

I haven't noticed the dimple in the HC3800's DC2, but admit I haven't really looked for it. Gotta remember next time.

Also, I think they shoulda called the new model HC3900 instead of HC4000. Save the HC4000 model # for the DC4 chip, woulda been a nice correlation
post #78 of 1524
That would be the DC2+ chips and as far as I know the HC3800 is based on DC2 (although there has been some speculation on the HC3800 actually being DC2+). Yes it is less of a variance than the older 720p implementations but the difference is there just the same from what I have seen and DC3 is over-all superior, slightly, but superior .

You have to have a very critical eye to notice these variables and the vast majority of un-trained eyes would see very little difference, if any. I see the subtle differences and know that I would appreciate the HC4000 over the HC3800 even though it is more of a lateral move versus a serious upgrade.

Maybe they can do an HC4400 with DC4 , Oh and a mechanical Iris like the HC3000/3100 .

Jason
post #79 of 1524
Ah, forgot about the DC2+ chips.

The one thing that sucks is how secretive manufactures are about the model of DLP chip they use on anything below DC4, DC3.

Texas Instruments doesn't help matters by upgrading chips and reusing old model #'s.
post #80 of 1524
guys, it sells for $1395 (deal of the day at PP), estimated arrival on Vp is nov. 2.

i think prices will go lower when they have it.
post #81 of 1524
The Projector Place shows it as In Stock, not sure if that's correct but that is what it says on the website .

Jason
post #82 of 1524
I just hooked up my Mitsu and I like it better than the Epson 8350 so I will send that one back tomorrow. Both are very great but the mistu seems to have better contrast and is much sharper. I play a lot of video games and watch sports so the fast motion of the DLP is a bit nicer.
post #83 of 1524
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Originally Posted by beagle77 View Post

I just hooked up my Mitsu and I like it better than the Epson 8350 so I will send that one back tomorrow. Both are very great but the mistu seems to have better contrast and is much sharper. I play a lot of video games and watch sports so the fast motion of the DLP is a bit nicer.

Yeah, the 8500UB, and 8700UB are better than the 4000. The 8350 isn't really in the same class as far as quality.
post #84 of 1524
I got my first HC4000 last week and the screen towards the left side (ceiling mounted) was really dim compared to the center and left. So I returned it, I just got the 2nd one in today, and it does exactly the same thing! I've owned 2 DLP projectors before (HD1000 Mits and an Optoma) and they didn't have this issue.

Is this normal for a HC3800/HC4000?!?! Before I exchange it for a 3rd HC4000 Should I just return it and get a PT-AE4000?
post #85 of 1524
Definitely not normal. My 3800 has uniform brightnes and color across the screen.
post #86 of 1524
Not normal.

But to just to be safe, you should eliminate it being an issue with your screen (very rare). It's easy to test. Just physically flip the projector upside down (so it's upright), maybe place it on a ladder, table mount or just hold it, then make sure the 'dim' part flipped to the other side (right side), that would confirm it is the PJ. If not, something is up with your screen.
post #87 of 1524
I can point it at the drapes and I can still see the difference. LOL. I'm exchanging it, but what makes me nervous is the first one I got was serial # xxx70 and this one is xxx72 . I hope the dealer didn't get a bad batch and the next one (likely serial xxx73) is the same.
post #88 of 1524
smonska -- Are you sure that you are buying from an authorized dealer. Otherwise you could be buying rejects. Both of those PJs were, obviously, defective.
post #89 of 1524
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

smonska -- Are you sure that you are buying from an authorized dealer. Otherwise you could be buying rejects. Both of those PJs were, obviously, defective.

This is starting to sound a little bit worrisome. Most vendors still do not have this projector in stock. Why does the supply seem so limited? Either the announcement was a bit premature, or the manufacturing was a bit delayed. If everything were going fine with the release, why would Mits not have shipped these to every vendor by now? And, now some of the early units seem to be having what seems like a systemic quality issue. I was really interested in this projector based on specs and early reports. But, if these defective units were ordered from PP and are real HC-4000's, I might be getting worried about another potential troubled release.

Am I over paranoid?
post #90 of 1524
I don't think you are paranoid....I myself would love to have this one, but the issues of the previous version are enough to make one hesitate.

Things are different this year, we got the Epson 8350 which seems like an improved model with noticeable performance over the 8100, and its a couple hundred less than the HC4000 which is basically the hc3800 with the new DC3 chip.

Personally, I'm leaning more towards the Epson right now, but I'm not discarding the hc4000 just yet, Other than the better black levels and ease of installation of the Epson, the Mits looks like an overall superior model in PQ even if its not by much. I really appreciate sharpness and convergence issues from 3LCD models its always about getting lucky.

I live in Puerto Rico, so for me the better thing to do is wait. Thankfully Epson covers PR in their warranty and Mits would also cover it if I buy from an authorized dealer in the US. Maybe later my Best Buy starts selling these models and I can buy one locally (easier to return) and by then I hope there is more availability for the Mits, we start seeing lower prices, more reviews and more user feedback... I have no problem waiting until maybe December and making this my Christmas present...I have waited so long now and my home made 720p projector hasn't let me down yet.

Eli
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