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post #241 of 1323
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

That doesn't seem reasonable to me. OPPO has already said:



We understand that to be the BDP-95. So why would OPPO muddy the waters by including special audio features of the 83SE in the 93?

Answer: It wouldn't.

Dana

I'm just quoting what a journalist who talked directly with Oppo at CEDIA wrote in his article.

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualite...po-BDP-93.html

You are of course entitled to surmise otherwise. I would tend to agree with you. That said, the closest thing we have to evidence as opposed to a good analysis is that one journalist is reporting that Oppo told him otherwise.
post #242 of 1323
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Bingo.
And FWIW, given the current Netflix streaming protocol, 1080 could easily look worse than 720.

Yeah - if they used the same combined total bit rate for audio and video, I suspect it would look worse.

Also, my experience with Netflix streaming is watching it on a 65" display with a pretty nice audio system. People with smaller displays and lower end audio equipment (or even using the TV speakers) are likely to be happier with the quality than I am.
post #243 of 1323
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

I suspect the bit rate is a LOT more important than changing from 720p to 1080p. That also still leaves the crummy 2 channel, low bit rate audio. I'd prefer to see Netflix increase the bit rate at 720p and improve the audio rather than switch to 1080p. The problem is that most people probably don't have a good enough connection to stream higher quality content reliably and increasing the bit rate becomes a problem for people with monthly bandwidth limits even if their connection is fast enough. It's going to be a tough problem to solve in the relatively near future as more and more providers start streaming content to more consumers.

Netflix does offer 5.1 audio when the source provides it. I made a setting adjustment on my Roku recently.

But, this isn't a Netflix thread. I only mentioned it because the Engadget shootout clearly showed that a disc player with horsepower enough to play BD discs transforms the Netflix experience vs. the Roku box, all other factors being equal.

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The Samsung and the LG represent a whole new front in the streaming war -- it's one thing for Netflix to put out dedicated boxes and sneak onto game consoles, but it's an entirely different proposition for mainstream Blu-ray players to support the service. This is where Netflix really thinks it's going to make a play for the hearts and minds of the consumer, and while the experience on the Sammy isn't perfect, we can see why there's so much enthusiasm -- streaming video on BD-P2500 looks amazing. It runs a very slightly tweaked version of the Roku's interface, but the HQV video hardware in the box is so obviously superior even things like the cover images in the menus look better. Of course, the real reason the 2500 needs all that horsepower is for Blu-ray playback, and that's where the tradeoff comes in -- we've always found Blu-ray players to be slow, and the Samsung is no exception. While it's definitely faster than other BD units we've used, it's still rather, uh, thoughtful, and it takes the longest to buffer up a stream. (Don't even ask us how long it took to pull down a firmware update when we first turned it on.) If you're only interested in Netflix, you'll have to decide whether the dramatic bump in image quality over the Roku is worth the $250 premium and longer load times -- we'd say the BD-P2500's $350 pricetag is only worth it if you're serious about Blu-ray as well.

If Netflix looks better on a circa 2008 Sammy, I can't wait to see it on the 93!

Dana
post #244 of 1323
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Originally Posted by michdys View Post

A french website (http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualite...po-BDP-93.html) mentions that there is a rumour that the Oppo 93 will incorporate "the analogue circuit of the audiophile 83SE with Sabre ESS32 Dacs"

Did anybody hear such a rumour? The Audioholics article didn't mention anything about the Dacs to be used.

Maybe Oppo cancelled the stereo outs to compensate for the more costly DACs on the 7.1 outs?

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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

I'm just quoting what a journalist who talked directly with Oppo at CEDIA wrote in his article.

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualite...po-BDP-93.html

You are of course entitled to surmise otherwise. I would tend to agree with you. That said, the closest thing we have to evidence as opposed to a good analysis is that one journalist is reporting that Oppo told him otherwise.

But, that isn't what the original poster said. He noted that the French web site mentioned there was a rumor about incorporating the 83SE audio section in the 93 while the journalist who started this thread interviewed OPPO directly and was told there would be a later model with enhanced analog audio.

Dana
post #245 of 1323
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Yeah - if they used the same combined total bit rate for audio and video, I suspect it would look worse.

Also, my experience with Netflix streaming is watching it on a 65" display with a pretty nice audio system. People with smaller displays and lower end audio equipment (or even using the TV speakers) are likely to be happier with the quality than I am.

Hopefully one is using NF streaming for the content, not PQ or AQ. It's attraction is convenience. I think it's a great offering by NF, but I don't need or want it in a player.

larry
post #246 of 1323
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

Hopefully one is using NF streaming for the content, not PQ or AQ. It's attraction is convenience. I think it's a great offering by NF, but I don't need or want it in a player.

I definitely watch movies, TV shows, etc. for the content, but also want the best picture and audio quality I can get as it makes the experience that much more enjoyable. I'm just not inclined to watch something in a lousy format when I can wait a day or 2 and get it in a better format (DVD or Bluray). Netflix is so quick at turning disks around (if I put one in the mailbox on Monday, I get another on Wednesday and since I subscribe to the 3 out at a time, unlimited service, I'm never without something to watch) that the convenience of streaming just isn't that compelling to me. Besides, between watching TV shows and other activities that take up my time, there's only so much time available to watch content from Netflix (physical media or streamed).
post #247 of 1323
I saw this thread. I literally had just hit the buy button on Oppo's site. I am new to the 1080p world; just purchased my 1st full HD tv and was in the market for a BR player. Glad I saw this thread. I guess I will just purchase some BR dvds until I can get my hands on one of these 93s. I don't know if I will do the Netflix streaming but with this capability, I can at least test it out to see if it's worthy.

On thing I like about the 83 is the dedicated 7.1 analog outputs. I have that with my current Denon setup and just love listening to music in 7.1. I talked to Oppo to see if this feature was included on the 93 and the rep reassured me that it's in there - cool.

I don't have a Blue Ray player and I wanted to see how the tv performs with one - should I buy an old cheapo player for now to hold me over? What is a good but cheap BR player?

Peace
post #248 of 1323
Here's an intriguing question, if only for me.

The Audioholics First Look says in part that

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Physically, the Oppo BDP-93 is nearly identical to the BDP-83, with the same width and height, but about 1/2 less depth. It's also got a little more heft to it.

I have seen a photograph on the web of the 83 with no cover on it, but I have no clue where to look for it now. My guess is that if the 93 is only half as deep as the 83, it's the analog audio section in the rear that's been eliminated. But, what would account for the "more heft." The different loader?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Dana
post #249 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Methodical_1 View Post

I saw this thread. I literally had just hit the buy button on Oppo's site. I am new to the 1080p world; just purchased my 1st full HD tv and was in the market for a BR player. Glad I saw this article. I guess I will just purchase some BR dvds until I can get my hands on one. I don't know if I will do the Netflix streaming but with this capability, I can at least test it out to see if it's worthy.

On thing I like about the 83 is the dedicated 7.1 analog outputs. I have that with my current Denon setup and just love listening to music in 7.1. I talked to Oppo to see if this feature was included on the 93 and the rep reassured me that it's in there - cool.

Peace

I have a 7.1 setup, too. But, I use HDMI to feed my Denon AVR.

Dana
post #250 of 1323
Gotta love OPPO.

They sure know how to generate interest in their product.


Hopefully, there is another EAP.


Since I was part of the BDP83 EAP program, I think that makes
me more than qualified for another EAP.

Nothing beats experience.
post #251 of 1323
So can I send left eye to one HDMI and right to the other from 3-D sources? That would be good for me. I've had active shutter 3-D on CRTs for a long time and if I'm upgrading to 3D Blu-ray, I really want passive glasses for my projector(s).

People are going to get tired of sync and battery problems in active glasses long before they tire of 3-D in general. I'm a long-time big 3-D fan, but it's polarization or bust for me, I think.
post #252 of 1323
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

Here's an intriguing question, if only for me.

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Physically, the Oppo BDP-93 is nearly identical to the BDP-83, with the same width and height, but about 1/2 less depth. It's also got a little more heft to it.

I have seen a photograph on the web of the 83 with no cover on it, but I have no clue where to look for it now. My guess is that if the 93 is only half as deep as the 83...

I read that as 1/2 inch less depth, not half as deep.
post #253 of 1323
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Gotta love OPPO.

They sure know how to generate interest in their product.


Hopefully, there is another EAP.


Since I was part of the BDP83 EAP program, I think that makes
me more than qualified for another EAP.

Nothing beats experience.

Yup agree on the generating interest part for the good old boy at Oppo Mike. But they need to give us folks who never got an invite this time around Well I was told about it (via emai), but no response after that..Don't know what's worst though..


Djoel
post #254 of 1323
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

I have seen a photograph on the web of the 83 with no cover on it, but I have no clue where to look for it now. My guess is that if the 93 is only half as deep as the 83, it's the analog audio section in the rear that's been eliminated. But, what would account for the "more heft." The different loader?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Dana

I am betting that they left off an ' " ' there (which would mean the BDP-93 was 1/2" less deep than the BDP-83). If it were half as deep, that'd be a really crowded chassis.
post #255 of 1323
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They sure know how to generate interest in their product.

Hopefully, there is another EAP.

Since I was part of the BDP83 EAP program, I think that makes
me more than qualified for another EAP.

Nothing beats experience.

There's comments previously that I found hard to copy (quotes within quotes) in which OPPO says no EAP this time around. No time for one thing if the 93 is released "towards the end of November."

Dana
post #256 of 1323
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

Netflix does offer 5.1 audio when the source provides it. I made a setting adjustment on my Roku recently.


Dana

Is the 5.1 only available with Roku ? I can't get anything but 2 ch stereo with my Sony S570,WDLIVE+ and PS3. Tried the most recent HD titles available and they come all in stereo.

I know this is not a Netflix thread, just wonder what we can expect from the new Oppo. Thanks.
post #257 of 1323
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

I am betting that they left off an ' " ' there (which would mean the BDP-93 was 1/2" less deep than the BDP-83). If it were half as deep, that'd be a really crowded chassis.

Yes, I think you're right. (Especially since there is a 7.1 analog audio board. )

Dana
post #258 of 1323
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Is the 5.1 only available with Roku ? I can't get anything but 2 ch stereo with my Sony S570,WDLIVE+ and PS3. Tried the most recent HD titles available and they come all in stereo.

I know this is not a Netflix thread, just wonder what we can expect from the new Oppo. Thanks.

Gee, I don't know about other boxes. I just noticed myself recently on the Roku. But, I do think the Netflix firmware is customized for each box.

Just to complicate matters, Roku capability doesn't necessarily accommodate Netflix since it also carries Pandora. We hope the OPPO BDP-93 will, too.

Dana
post #259 of 1323
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

Yes, I think you're right. (Especially since there is a 7.1 analog audio board. )

The pictures that are available clearly show that the 93 is not 1/2 as deep as the 83 - that big a difference would be really obvious.
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Is the 5.1 only available with Roku ?

Gee, I don't know about other boxes. I just noticed myself recently on the Roku. But, I do think the Netflix firmware is customized for each box.

Some specific sample titles that you see 5.1 audio for would probably help answer the question.
post #260 of 1323
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

There's comments previously that I found hard to copy (quotes within quotes) in which OPPO says no EAP this time around. No time for one thing if the 93 is released "towards the end of November."

Dana


Hot dam, no armatures here, these guys know how to built a player with little bugs..It what that means to me

DJoel
post #261 of 1323
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

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Some specific sample titles that you see 5.1 audio for would probably help answer the question.

I added a thought to my previous comment that 5.1 capability on the Roku box doesn't necessarily imply support for Netflix since it also carries Pandora, Amazon, etc. I hope the 93 will, too.

Dana
post #262 of 1323
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

But, that isn't what the original poster said. He noted that the French web site mentioned there was a rumor about incorporating the 83SE audio section in the 93 while the journalist who started this thread interviewed OPPO directly and was told there would be a later model with enhanced analog audio.

Dana

Well, there shouldn't necessarily be a contradiction here: perhaps the 93 will indeed have analogue audio qualities similar to the 83SE, while the 95 will even have better audio still (kind of 83SE Nuforce)
Just dreaming out loud, sorry!
post #263 of 1323
Hey, kinda noob question. I had my Pioneer plasma calibrated by D-Nice at Value Electronics for an 83. I'm guessing that, given the new chip, that if I got a 93 that I'd have to have it recalibrated. Am I right?
post #264 of 1323
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Originally Posted by win200 View Post

Hey, kinda noob question. I had my Pioneer plasma calibrated by D-Nice at Value Electronics for an 83. I'm guessing that, given the new chip, that if I got a 93 that I'd have to have it recalibrated. Am I right?

No. He calibrated it to a standard that's independent of the source.
post #265 of 1323
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Originally Posted by win200 View Post

Hey, kinda noob question. I had my Pioneer plasma calibrated by D-Nice at Value Electronics for an 83. I'm guessing that, given the new chip, that if I got a 93 that I'd have to have it recalibrated. Am I right?


Not unless you're not happy with the picture you have now or feel you must get it calibrated for DVD upconverting. The HD PQ of most BD players is so close, it probably wouldn't be worth it.
post #266 of 1323
Bickering posts removed. Keep it civil.
post #267 of 1323
Well I just checked the manual for my AVR (Denon 3805), which is considered antique by today's standards, and it does not have HDMI audio support. So it would seem that the new player (w/ 2 HDMIs) would be of no benefit to me, as I have to use the analog output just as I am now. So I guess I will go with the 83 unless the experts here can tell me how 2 hdmi would benefit an older AVR
post #268 of 1323
My hunch is that the 93 will use the current 83SE Sabre multi-channel/stereo DAC setup and power supply.

The 93SE will hopefully use stereo Sabre DACS on all channels (rather than a multi-channel DAC) and a linear power supply for the analog section.
Digital inputs, an Ipod dock and a class A headphone output would be great too.
post #269 of 1323
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

There's comments previously that I found hard to copy (quotes within quotes) in which OPPO says no EAP this time around. No time for one thing if the 93 is released "towards the end of November."

Dana


Oppo has officially commented on the BDP-93 via the following tweet one minute ago:

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@Severinobrazil We anticipate releasing the BDP-93 by the end of the year, with November being our goal.
1 minute ago via web in reply to Severinobrazil
post #270 of 1323
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My hunch is that the 93 will use the current 83SE Sabre multi-channel/stereo DAC setup and power supply.

I would have to disagree that the 93 will use the same DACs as the 83SE. My thoughts are that Oppo puts a $400.00 premium on the 83SE over the 83 and for that reason will not offer the 93 at $499.00 with the 83SE's DACs. I also think Oppo would not want to anger those that just paid a premium for the 83SE (myself included) by offering the performance of the 83SE in the 93 for $499.00, no way.

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The 93SE will hopefully use stereo Sabre DACS on all channels (rather than a multi-channel DAC) and a linear power supply for the analog section. Digital inputs, an Ipod dock and a class A headphone output would be great too.

I contacted Oppo about the 93SE (95?) about digital inputs and they replied that no future Oppo player at this time will have digital inputs. Hopefully the other items on your wish list will be a possibility. If Oppo does up the performance of the 83SE I would definitely be interested.

Bill
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