New Oppo BDP93 Blu-ray Player - Page 3  

That would be nice, but it would involve Sony allowing it - which they currently do not.

Ruined,

Are you sure the BDP-09FD has the latest Marvel Qdeo processor. There are 3:

• The first generation 88DE2710 ("Kyoto") processor was launched at the CES 2007 (January)
• The second generation 88DE2750 ("Kyoto-G2") processor was launched at CES 2009 with improved performance of most of the original features and two new additional features
• The first embedded version of Qdeo is featured in the 88DE3010 (HD Media processor System-On-a-Chip or SOC)

Given the timeline I would think the BDP-09FD would have the 1st generation chip while the BDP-93 has the 2nd generation chip, but I could be wrong.

Also, you really think the possible exclusion of DLNA would give the Denon a significant edge over the BDP-93? The Denon is $300 more. Do you think DACs (my inclusion) and DLNA warrant's a $300 price difference? I think most will not. I don't think DACs are nearly as important in September 2010 as they were a year ago. I think Denon is tauting their use of the 32 bit BB's to justify their price. Also, AVRs and displays are now including DLNA, but I could be overlooking its importance.


Willie

How are the Panasonic dual HDMI outs implemented? I have a friend interested in the DMP-BDT350.


Willie

The Audioholics article mentions the G2 but also the ABT chip. Not sure if the Marvel is a done deal.


"Marvell KYOTO G2 chipset with Qdeo video processig(though prototypes were also built with the ABT2015)"

No, it means there IS beta testing currently underway.

I've had my Panasonic 350 since it was released and I love it for 3D. The main HDMI is used to connect directly to the display or in my case Mitsubishi adapter. The sub HDMI can be used to connect to a 1.3 avr (there is a setting that turns off video) thereby still getting lossless audio. Many avrs, even 1.4 are not compatible with the Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 so you can't connect through it to get lossless unless you have the 2nd HDMI out. That's why I bought the 350 to have the 2 HDMI so I didn't have to fork out money for a 1.4 avr. I haven't had any problems with the unit. It's played everything I've put in it. Has DLNA. Only thing you need get is sd card for memory. For standard dvd the Oppo is superior, the 350 doesn't come close. Equal in blu-ray. Now that Oppo is coming out with the 93 I would have bought that but I am more than happy with the 350.

I will start an owner's thread once the player is finalized and all of the features have been detailed. I really do not want to start an Owner's Thread until a release date, firm price, and final specifications (especially certification for Netflix et al) have been set.

Want to start a new thread as clean and without speculation as much as possible.

Got an answer from Customer Support as to whether this player will support the checkerboard format used by Mitsubishi and Samsung DLP 3d sets:

At this time this 3D player will be full 3D (1080p/24Hz). We do not know if we will be able to make the player support Checkboard 3D before or after it ships.

Just received this email from Oppo:

"Beta Testing has already begun for this player and has been in full swing for a while now. We are not looking at expanding our Beta Testing at this time.
In terms of an Early Adoption Program this is something that we may consider, but most likely we will release the player without needing to limit the sale of the player initially.

Best Regards,"

I gotta say I like the looks of the older player better. Other than that looks like a fantastic setup.

Will both HDMI ports output video and lossless audio simultaneously?

Or video/lossy audio from one port and lossless audio only from the other?

Can the HDMI ports be configured as needed or are there limitations/fixed settings?

Thanks!

I wonder what the onboard dac is on this baby, and if the BDP-95 will simply be the 93 + the audio dac section of the BDP-83se....

Seeing how audio is a part of the video stream, I do not see any reason why there would not be high resolution audio being broadcast through both outputs simultaneously.

Thanks! My concern is HDCP/EDID/DRM restrictions imposed by the dark lords at Sony.

Sleek,elegant, & menacing! I want one!

Will there be a $4,000.00 Lexicon version to follow?

LOL! No doubt!

I know the Oppo is a different unit but with the Pansonic 350 if you don't turn video off on the sub HDMI you don't get lossless audio output.

I'm not sure it was ever officially specified. It may be the case as it is old, but that is a good thing as joerod and several others who owned both the BDP-09FD and ABT2010 devices often preferred the QDEO output to the AB2010. So an even more advanced chipset would be great.


I have both digital and full analog preamps in the same rack, thus both player analog output stage & player DLNA streaming are important to take advantage of the analog pre. Its a lot easier to optimize the analog bypass pre for 2ch music and the digital pre for movies than to attempt to optimize a digital pre for both.

So with the Panasonic 350, can you get video and audio out from the main HDMI and lossless audio only from the sub HDMI?

That's correct. If video is turned on with the sub HDMI you don't get lossless audio output. Panasonic came up with a firmware update to make sure once you turned video off on the sub HDMI it would stay off when the machine was turned off and then turned on again. It didn't initially so you had to remember to go into the setup menu to turn if off or you wouldn't get lossless audio. It took a few times to figure out the v sub setting kept resetting to on once I had changed it because I couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting lossless audio after turning the 350 back on. Others in the forum noted the same thing. If you turned the 350 on last and turned it off first the setting would keep but now it is fixed so it doesn't matter what order you turn things on.

Many thanks! I've long searched for a device that could do precisely this. So if the Panny 350 can output video and audio to the TV and also output lossless audio to the AVR, then I really have to explore it further. The edge which the Oppo would have for me over the Panny in this scenario is the ease of region free moddability.

95? That's interesting.

The Middle Atlantic (MA) faceplate dimensions may be the same (I don't know).
For the 83, I asked Oppo to send a blank version to MA to make the rsh custom plates before it was available.
I actually had the MA face plate before I had an 83.
I just emailed Oppo CS to check on it.

Mike


http://www2.middleatlantic.com/RSH/RSHSearch.asp
http://www2.middleatlantic.com/RSH/rshprog.htm

I have the Oppo 83se which will be used as 2 ch music and this will be for movies.

Brian,

That's the route I will be taking also.


Willie

Great! Let us know what you find out.

/Anders

I just read this thread. I have a few questions. Considering all of the: "If it doesn't do this, I'm not buying it" post; Why aren't the majority of you looking at systems like Dune or equivalents? Clearly, most of you are looking for a player that can transmit files obtained by other means than physical media. Why do you keep evaluating units that obviously must comply with the DRM police establishment? Does anyone truly believe that Oppo wants to be in and out of a courtroom every other day in order to satisfy the small group of audiophiles that patrol these forums? I don't get it. There are other alternatives that are reasonably priced that can accomplish streaming the dozens of files that mass producers can't possibly allow legally. The reason Kalidescape cost so much: To pay for their legal fees! I wish we could have $5000 worth of features in a $200 box as much as the next guy, but it can't be done. No one is ever satisfied. Great unit, but it's made in China. Great unit, but it cost too much. Great unit, but it's not region free. Great unit, but the video processor is not up to snuff. Great unit, but it's too bad it only comes in black. Never---EVER---satisfied. Sony literally gave away the PS3 initially for $900 under cost, and that wasn't good enough. AVS should change the name of this forum to......Wait for it......."The Player Haters Forum" Perfect! We'll let Dave Chappell moderate. Now that's entertainment!

How 'bout this: Just make a great product that can do one thing great! If that means I have to buy 5 separate units to acquire a reference system, so be it. That's why processors have multiple inputs. Universal players are like HTiB: You pay for what you get!

Very nice indeed.

I've just replaced my old player a couple of months ago so it's too late for this round, but next year when the upgraded 93 appears I might be tempted.

I'll be watching for the preorders and such.