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post #61 of 1323
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

I'd like to see output of stereo SACD at 24/96 (or 24/88.2!) over the optical and coax output.

That would be nice, but it would involve Sony allowing it - which they currently do not.
post #62 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

Also, from what I've heard the qdeo processor oppo will now be using is slightly better than the ABT2010. Its the same one the Pioneer BDP-09FD used.

Hopefully this will also have DLNA. If not, the Denon BDP2011 may have a significant edge over it.

Ruined,

Are you sure the BDP-09FD has the latest Marvel Qdeo processor. There are 3:
  • The first generation 88DE2710 ("Kyoto") processor was launched at the CES 2007 (January)
  • The second generation 88DE2750 ("Kyoto-G2") processor was launched at CES 2009 with improved performance of most of the original features and two new additional features
  • The first embedded version of Qdeo is featured in the 88DE3010 (HD Media processor System-On-a-Chip or SOC)
Given the timeline I would think the BDP-09FD would have the 1st generation chip while the BDP-93 has the 2nd generation chip, but I could be wrong.

Also, you really think the possible exclusion of DLNA would give the Denon a significant edge over the BDP-93? The Denon is $300 more. Do you think DACs (my inclusion) and DLNA warrant's a $300 price difference? I think most will not. I don't think DACs are nearly as important in September 2010 as they were a year ago. I think Denon is tauting their use of the 32 bit BB's to justify their price. Also, AVRs and displays are now including DLNA, but I could be overlooking its importance.


Willie
post #63 of 1323
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Originally Posted by KLee View Post

Blu-ray.com is saying the BDP-93 also plays 3D Blu Rays!!

Normally I would chalk this up to a typo but the article SPECIFICALLY mentions it has DUAL HDMI outs, ala the Panasonics!!!

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5198

How are the Panasonic dual HDMI outs implemented? I have a friend interested in the DMP-BDT350.


Willie
post #64 of 1323
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Ruined,

Are you sure the BDP-09FD has the latest Marvel Qdeo processor. There are 3:
  • The first generation 88DE2710 ("Kyoto") processor was launched at the CES 2007 (January)
  • The second generation 88DE2750 ("Kyoto-G2") processor was launched at CES 2009 with improved performance of most of the original features and two new additional features
  • The first embedded version of Qdeo is featured in the 88DE3010 (HD Media processor System-On-a-Chip or SOC)
Given the timeline I would think the BDP-09FD would have the 1st generation chip while the BDP-93 has the 2nd generation chip, but I could be wrong.


Willie

The Audioholics article mentions the G2 but also the ABT chip. Not sure if the Marvel is a done deal.


"Marvell KYOTO G2 chipset with Qdeo video processig(though prototypes were also built with the ABT2015)"
post #65 of 1323
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

You mean NO beta testing, right ?

No, it means there IS beta testing currently underway.
post #66 of 1323
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

How are the Panasonic dual HDMI outs implemented? I have a friend interested in the DMP-BDT350.


Willie


I've had my Panasonic 350 since it was released and I love it for 3D. The main HDMI is used to connect directly to the display or in my case Mitsubishi adapter. The sub HDMI can be used to connect to a 1.3 avr (there is a setting that turns off video) thereby still getting lossless audio. Many avrs, even 1.4 are not compatible with the Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 so you can't connect through it to get lossless unless you have the 2nd HDMI out. That's why I bought the 350 to have the 2 HDMI so I didn't have to fork out money for a 1.4 avr. I haven't had any problems with the unit. It's played everything I've put in it. Has DLNA. Only thing you need get is sd card for memory. For standard dvd the Oppo is superior, the 350 doesn't come close. Equal in blu-ray. Now that Oppo is coming out with the 93 I would have bought that but I am more than happy with the 350.
post #67 of 1323
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

The 83 had a beta testers thread so we could all see it progress. How long before Nueromancer starts one???

I will start an owner's thread once the player is finalized and all of the features have been detailed. I really do not want to start an Owner's Thread until a release date, firm price, and final specifications (especially certification for Netflix et al) have been set.

Want to start a new thread as clean and without speculation as much as possible.
post #68 of 1323
Got an answer from Customer Support as to whether this player will support the checkerboard format used by Mitsubishi and Samsung DLP 3d sets:

At this time this 3D player will be full 3D (1080p/24Hz). We do not know if we will be able to make the player support Checkboard 3D before or after it ships.
post #69 of 1323
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

No, it means there IS beta testing currently underway.

Just received this email from Oppo:

"Beta Testing has already begun for this player and has been in full swing for a while now. We are not looking at expanding our Beta Testing at this time.
In terms of an Early Adoption Program this is something that we may consider, but most likely we will release the player without needing to limit the sale of the player initially.

Best Regards,"
post #70 of 1323
I gotta say I like the looks of the older player better. Other than that looks like a fantastic setup.
post #71 of 1323
Will both HDMI ports output video and lossless audio simultaneously?

Or video/lossy audio from one port and lossless audio only from the other?

Can the HDMI ports be configured as needed or are there limitations/fixed settings?

Thanks!
post #72 of 1323
I wonder what the onboard dac is on this baby, and if the BDP-95 will simply be the 93 + the audio dac section of the BDP-83se....
post #73 of 1323
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Originally Posted by blacklion View Post

Will both HDMI ports output video and lossless audio simultaneously?

Seeing how audio is a part of the video stream, I do not see any reason why there would not be high resolution audio being broadcast through both outputs simultaneously.
post #74 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Seeing how audio is a part of the video stream, I do not see any reason why there would not be high resolution audio being broadcast through both outputs simultaneously.

Thanks! My concern is HDCP/EDID/DRM restrictions imposed by the dark lords at Sony.
post #75 of 1323
Sleek,elegant, & menacing! I want one!
post #76 of 1323
Will there be a $4,000.00 Lexicon version to follow?
post #77 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Craven More View Post

Will there be a $4,000.00 Lexicon version to follow?

LOL! No doubt!
post #78 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Seeing how audio is a part of the video stream, I do not see any reason why there would not be high resolution audio being broadcast through both outputs simultaneously.

I know the Oppo is a different unit but with the Pansonic 350 if you don't turn video off on the sub HDMI you don't get lossless audio output.
post #79 of 1323
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Ruined,

Are you sure the BDP-09FD has the latest Marvel Qdeo processor. There are 3:
  • The first generation 88DE2710 ("Kyoto") processor was launched at the CES 2007 (January)
  • The second generation 88DE2750 ("Kyoto-G2") processor was launched at CES 2009 with improved performance of most of the original features and two new additional features
  • The first embedded version of Qdeo is featured in the 88DE3010 (HD Media processor System-On-a-Chip or SOC)
Given the timeline I would think the BDP-09FD would have the 1st generation chip while the BDP-93 has the 2nd generation chip, but I could be wrong.

I'm not sure it was ever officially specified. It may be the case as it is old, but that is a good thing as joerod and several others who owned both the BDP-09FD and ABT2010 devices often preferred the QDEO output to the AB2010. So an even more advanced chipset would be great.

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Also, you really think the possible exclusion of DLNA would give the Denon a significant edge over the BDP-93? The Denon is $300 more. Do you think DACs (my inclusion) and DLNA warrant's a $300 price difference? I think most will not. I don't think DACs are nearly as important in September 2010 as they were a year ago. I think Denon is tauting their use of the 32 bit BB's to justify their price. Also, AVRs and displays are now including DLNA, but I could be overlooking its importance.

I have both digital and full analog preamps in the same rack, thus both player analog output stage & player DLNA streaming are important to take advantage of the analog pre. Its a lot easier to optimize the analog bypass pre for 2ch music and the digital pre for movies than to attempt to optimize a digital pre for both.
post #80 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Scubawoman View Post

I know the Oppo is a different unit but with the Pansonic 350 if you don't turn video off on the sub HDMI you don't get lossless audio output.

So with the Panasonic 350, can you get video and audio out from the main HDMI and lossless audio only from the sub HDMI?
post #81 of 1323
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Originally Posted by blacklion View Post

So with the Panasonic 350, can you get video and audio out from the main HDMI and lossless audio only from the sub HDMI?

That's correct. If video is turned on with the sub HDMI you don't get lossless audio output. Panasonic came up with a firmware update to make sure once you turned video off on the sub HDMI it would stay off when the machine was turned off and then turned on again. It didn't initially so you had to remember to go into the setup menu to turn if off or you wouldn't get lossless audio. It took a few times to figure out the v sub setting kept resetting to on once I had changed it because I couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting lossless audio after turning the 350 back on. Others in the forum noted the same thing. If you turned the 350 on last and turned it off first the setting would keep but now it is fixed so it doesn't matter what order you turn things on.
post #82 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Scubawoman View Post

That's correct. If video is turned on with the sub HDMI you don't get lossless audio output. Panasonic came up with a firmware update to make sure once you turned video off on the sub HDMI it would stay off when the machine was turned off and then turned on again. It didn't initially so you had to remember to go into the setup menu to turn if off or you wouldn't get lossless audio. It took a few times to figure out the v sub setting kept resetting to on once I had changed it because I couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting lossless audio after turning the 350 back on. Others in the forum noted the same thing. If you turned the 350 on last and turned it off first the setting would keep but now it is fixed so it doesn't matter what order you turn things on.

Many thanks! I've long searched for a device that could do precisely this. So if the Panny 350 can output video and audio to the TV and also output lossless audio to the AVR, then I really have to explore it further. The edge which the Oppo would have for me over the Panny in this scenario is the ease of region free moddability.
post #83 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Patrick Collins View Post

Just got off the phone with NetFlix. When I asked about compatible devices, he mentioned Oppo. I said "no way". Of course he says "way". So I thought I had a scoop. Evidently I only have a half a scoop. He said they are supporting the Oppo 93 and 95!

95? That's interesting.
post #84 of 1323
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

I like that that it is the same size as the 83. That will hopefully allow me to re-use my MA faceplate.

The picture of the back shows an RS-232 port. Does anyone know if it is included in the base unit or if it is an extra as with the -83?

/Anders

The Middle Atlantic (MA) faceplate dimensions may be the same (I don't know).
For the 83, I asked Oppo to send a blank version to MA to make the rsh custom plates before it was available.
I actually had the MA face plate before I had an 83.
I just emailed Oppo CS to check on it.

Mike


http://www2.middleatlantic.com/RSH/RSHSearch.asp
http://www2.middleatlantic.com/RSH/rshprog.htm
post #85 of 1323
I have the Oppo 83se which will be used as 2 ch music and this will be for movies.
post #86 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

I have the Oppo 83se which will be used as 2 ch music and this will be for movies.

Brian,

That's the route I will be taking also.


Willie
post #87 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

The Middle Atlantic (MA) faceplate dimensions may be the same (I don't know).
For the 83, I asked Oppo to send a blank version to MA to make the rsh custom plates before it was available.
I actually had the MA face plate before I had an 83.
I just emailed Oppo CS to check on it.

Mike


http://www2.middleatlantic.com/RSH/RSHSearch.asp
http://www2.middleatlantic.com/RSH/rshprog.htm

Great! Let us know what you find out.

/Anders
post #88 of 1323
I just read this thread. I have a few questions. Considering all of the: "If it doesn't do this, I'm not buying it" post; Why aren't the majority of you looking at systems like Dune or equivalents? Clearly, most of you are looking for a player that can transmit files obtained by other means than physical media. Why do you keep evaluating units that obviously must comply with the DRM police establishment? Does anyone truly believe that Oppo wants to be in and out of a courtroom every other day in order to satisfy the small group of audiophiles that patrol these forums? I don't get it. There are other alternatives that are reasonably priced that can accomplish streaming the dozens of files that mass producers can't possibly allow legally. The reason Kalidescape cost so much: To pay for their legal fees! I wish we could have $5000 worth of features in a $200 box as much as the next guy, but it can't be done. No one is ever satisfied. Great unit, but it's made in China. Great unit, but it cost too much. Great unit, but it's not region free. Great unit, but the video processor is not up to snuff. Great unit, but it's too bad it only comes in black. Never---EVER---satisfied. Sony literally gave away the PS3 initially for $900 under cost, and that wasn't good enough. AVS should change the name of this forum to......Wait for it......."The Player Haters Forum" Perfect! We'll let Dave Chappell moderate. Now that's entertainment!

How 'bout this: Just make a great product that can do one thing great! If that means I have to buy 5 separate units to acquire a reference system, so be it. That's why processors have multiple inputs. Universal players are like HTiB: You pay for what you get!
post #89 of 1323
Very nice indeed.

I've just replaced my old player a couple of months ago so it's too late for this round, but next year when the upgraded 93 appears I might be tempted.
post #90 of 1323
I'll be watching for the preorders and such.
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