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post #31 of 169
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Pre-order price on Amazon for the Blu-ray is now $21.99
http://www.amazon.com/Torpedoes-Blu-.../dp/B0042KZJ50
post #32 of 169
I really, really love what Tom Petty is doing here. Does anyone know if any other artists are following (or going to be following) in Petty's blu-ray audio hi-rez footsteps. Mojo just killed! So, I am looking forward to more.
post #33 of 169
Neil Young's latest album'll be out on Blu ray in the next month or so.
post #34 of 169
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Neil Young's lastest album'll be out on Blu ray in the next month or so.

True but I don't think there'll be a surround mix.
PioBeer, check out Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails.
Neil Young Archives Blu-ray.
Robert Fripp is re-releasing the King Crimson catalog but in DVD-A not Blu-ray.
post #35 of 169
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Damn The Torpedoes - Deluxe Edition [CD+BD-A]
Not the "making of" Blu-ray from Eagle Rock, this is the Blu-ray Audio of the album containing high resolution stereo and multi-channel programs of Damn The Torpedoes.

Thanks for clarifying. I've been waiting for the Blu-ray Audio. This will be my third audio BD from TP. I hope other bands/labels start supporting the format soon.

BD really is the utopia of audio - it's a crying shame this incredible sound format is mainly used to hear explosions in Transformers movies.
post #36 of 169
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

True but I don't think there'll be a surround mix.
PioBeer, check out Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails.
Neil Young Archives Blu-ray.
Robert Fripp is re-releasing the King Crimson catalog but in DVD-A not Blu-ray.

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Thanks for clarifying. I've been waiting for the Blu-ray Audio. This will be my third audio BD from TP. I hope other bands/labels start supporting the format soon.

BD really is the utopia of audio - it's a crying shame this incredible sound format is mainly used to hear explosions in Transformers movies.

Shameless plug: I'm trying to put together a list of all Blu-Ray Audio titles here.

I'm planning on picking up Damn the Torpedoes, which will be my 3rd Tom Petty album on BR-A. I agree it would be great for more studios to support the format. Unfortunately, so many of the BR-A discs are part of some $200 collectors edition. I really wish they would release more albums on Blu-Ray.
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Shameless plug: I'm trying to put together a list of all Blu-Ray Audio titles here.

Nice! keep it up. BTW - you list The Social Network Soundtrack by Trent Reznor as blu-ray audio. I wasn't aware of that one and I don't see it for sale on Amazon. Where is it available at ?

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so many of the BR-A discs are part of some $200 collectors edition.

Right. Unfortuately it's still more of a novetly than a viable format. Buy my box set and we'll throw in free vinyl, a back light poster, a T-Shirt, a free set of Ginsu knives - oh and also a BR-A disc.
post #38 of 169
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Nice! keep it up. BTW - you list The Social Network Soundtrack by Trent Reznor as blu-ray audio. I wasn't aware of that one and I don't see it for sale on Amazon. Where is it available at ?

See the thread here in this very forum for the pointer to the direct-order website, including a free download of an EP subset:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1277337

Dunno why it isn't available via Amazon - you'd think they'd offer up some that way just for the exposure, but Trent does things his way, now. (Well, always has, really.)

shinksma
post #39 of 169
Sorry for the "My BD shipped" post but my Damn the Torpedoes will be delivered tomorrow(Tues), It is for real.
post #40 of 169
$21.99 on amazon.com

$78.99 on amazon.ca
post #41 of 169
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Originally Posted by dobyblue View Post

Pre-order price on Amazon for the Blu-ray is now $21.99
http://www.amazon.com/Torpedoes-Blu-.../dp/B0042KZJ50

Wow, glad I happened to pass through here today! Just ordered from Amazon. I'm really looking forward to the free 24/96 FLAC download as well, to play through my Logitech Transporter.
post #42 of 169
I have been doing a comparison this evening between my CD and the Blu-ray that arrived from Amazon today. Very obvious improvement in sound to the CD even to the most casual listener. Boy, I hope Blu-ray audio takes off.
post #43 of 169
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... Boy, I hope Blu-ray audio takes off.
Me too, lets hope enough people care about SQ so that more artists jump on board.

At least we have the rest of Tom Petty's catalog to look forward to

I wonder which one he will release next?
post #44 of 169
Quite simply, this is how it's done.
What a superb release.
I have the vinyl from 1979 and was and am a long time Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers fan.
Anyone who loves great music, a great recording, a great mix and great sound needs to buy this disc. Period.
post #45 of 169
Anyone have luck playing the 24/96 FLAC download? "Disc 2" extracts/plays fine but "Disc 1" comes up as corrupt/damaged, downloaded it a second time to make sure.
post #46 of 169
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Anyone have luck playing the 24/96 FLAC download? "Disc 2" extracts/plays fine but "Disc 1" comes up as corrupt/damaged, downloaded it a second time to make sure.

Jack, I'm having the same issue...I've downloaded Disc 1 twice, and it's corrupt. Disc 2 is fine. I've sent a complaint to Tom's website. Don't know what to do beyond that.
post #47 of 169
Oh great; I have my copy on the way. Hopefully they'll have this resolved soon.

CD
post #48 of 169
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Jack, I'm having the same issue...I've downloaded Disc 1 twice, and it's corrupt. Disc 2 is fine. I've sent a complaint to Tom's website. Don't know what to do beyond that.

Thanks, good to know it's not me. I see someone posted to the TP forum about the same issue so I added to that thread. Not sure who to e-mail, though. Disc 2 sounds fantastic, in any event.
post #49 of 169
I ordered my BD Audio of Damn The Torpedoes yesterday.

So far I have TP Mojo and Live Anthology on BD.

These are well worth it and sound really good. I am using a Benchmark DAC1 and the same speakers that TP uses himself and the same speakers as Ryan Ulyate (TP engineer)

Great that TP is a stickler for sound quality not to mention a legendary song writer and head of one of the tightest most professional bands I know of. I'm a diehard longtime fan of Steve Ferrone too - the groovemaster!

BTW - you can also order this deluxe expanded album in FLAC 24/96 2 channel from HD Tracks and download directly.
post #50 of 169
I sent an e-mail to http://www.pushentertainment.com also as that's where the download files actually originate from. We'll see.

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BTW - you can also order this deluxe expanded album in FLAC 24/96 2 channel from HD Tracks and download directly.

Love HDtracks (just grabbed Band On The Run in 24/96 uncompressed) but in this case it looks like the Blu-Ray's a much better deal as you get the 24/96 FLAC download for free (assuming they fix it at some point) along with all other stuff the disc offers rather than paying $30 just for the FLAC itself.
post #51 of 169
So what do people think of the surround mix (this being the surround music area after all )?

I read over at the quadraphonicquad forums that the audio was really good but the mix, while immersive, was not very discrete (i.e., discrete being certain sounds coming primarily from a left rear or right rear speaker). What do you think?

If true it is very disappointing - IMO with all the upmixing choices we have such as PLII, NEO and even the homemade upmixes that are 'out there' that already can provide the immersive surround experience, the best option for surround if it is going to be offered as part of a release is the discrete type.

It's too late for me to cancel my order, so I'll be listening for myself in a few days (and selling it if it's not discrete) but was curious as to what others thought of this mix.
post #52 of 169
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I read over at the quadraphonicquad forums that the audio was really good but the mix, while immersive, was not very discrete (i.e., discrete being certain sounds coming primarily from a left rear or right rear speaker). What do you think?

If true it is very disappointing - IMO with all the upmixing choices we have such as PLII, NEO and even the homemade upmixes that are 'out there' that already can provide the immersive surround experience, the best option for surround if it is going to be offered as part of a release is the discrete type..

I won't be disappointed but my expectations are different.

This is a remastered version of a classic 1979 2 channel stereo album. I don't think you can expect to be immersed in 5.1 as that did not exist in studios when this was recorded. So they do not have the source material to do this. The 5.1 will likely be similar to the 2 channel sound in that it is mainly a presentation of the band playing in front of the listener as opposed to the highly immersed movie type soundtrack with SFX from front to rear etc.

The key advantage will be the audio quality which should be equivalent to the master tapes that Ryan Ulyate hears in his studio and which band members have heard and approved. This is in stark contrast to the overly compressed audio that is available on iTunes and on CD discs - where producers demand that mastering engineers add audio compression (remove dynamics) in order to cater to run-of-the-mill low quality sound systems.
post #53 of 169
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Originally Posted by Shadorne View Post

I won't be disappointed but my expectations are different.

This is a remastered version of a classic 1979 2 channel stereo album. I don't think you can expect to be immersed in 5.1 as that did not exist in studios when this was recorded. So they do not have the source material to do this. The 5.1 will likely be similar to the 2 channel sound in that it is mainly a presentation of the band playing in front of the listener as opposed to the highly immersed movie type soundtrack with SFX from front to rear etc.

(my emphasis)

Bollocks. Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon, recorded 1973. Certainly discrete enough in 5.1 (or 4.0), especially that original Alan Parsons mix in 4.0/4.1.

As long as the master copy of the individual multi-tracks remain, you can make any recording "discrete" in 5.1, unless there are only 2 or 3 individual tracks (and even then you could do some magic).

It is purely a case of the taste of the mix, not the technology.

IMHO,

shinksma
post #54 of 169
I just finished playing it for the first time. The mix is excellent with lots of discreet sounds plus ambient effects coming from the surrounds. Granted, it is not ultra discreet like the Quadio CTA disc.

The sound quality of this Petty disc is also excellent. This release is well worth the money.
post #55 of 169
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Originally Posted by Sherbona View Post

So what do people think of the surround mix (this being the surround music area after all )?

I read over at the quadraphonicquad forums that the audio was really good but the mix, while immersive, was not very discrete (i.e., discrete being certain sounds coming primarily from a left rear or right rear speaker). What do you think?

If true it is very disappointing - IMO with all the upmixing choices we have such as PLII, NEO and even the homemade upmixes that are 'out there' that already can provide the immersive surround experience, the best option for surround if it is going to be offered as part of a release is the discrete type.

It's too late for me to cancel my order, so I'll be listening for myself in a few days (and selling it if it's not discrete) but was curious as to what others thought of this mix.

Discrete, Schmiscrete. Certain sounds coming from different speakers?
Uh, in my book it's about this:
Does the recording and mix portray what a group of musicians sound like performing together.
Whether this sound is partially "organic", partially a creation of the sound engineer, either, neither or both I don't care.
This recording, mix and master are superb.
Even on the hyper-anal Hoffman forum the biggest bitch from anyone is the packaging and the less than stellar CD mix\\mastering.
Cry me a f*king river.
Even the Vinylites are drooling.
This is the internet, there is always at least one retard that can't resist the compulsion to complain that not only didn't it have sprinkles but if they were to have put sprinkles on it, they would have been the wrong kind of sprinkles.
post #56 of 169
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Discrete, Schmiscrete. Certain sounds coming from different speakers?

Yep. That's why it's called surround music. There's a lot of great quad music from the 70s that got the whole surround concept right.

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Uh, in my book it's about this:
Does the recording and mix portray what a group of musicians sound like performing together.
Whether this sound is partially "organic", partially a creation of the sound engineer, either, neither or both I don't care.
This recording, mix and master are superb.
Even on the hyper-anal Hoffman forum the biggest bitch from anyone is the packaging and the less than stellar CD mix\\mastering.

News flash! Most of those folks couldn't care less about surround music either. This being a surround music section I find your reaction to me saying that the surround mix on this release should be the discrete type of surround to be kind of odd.
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Cry me a f*king river.
Even the Vinylites are drooling.
This is the internet, there is always at least one retard that can't resist the compulsion to complain that not only didn't it have sprinkles but if they were to have put sprinkles on it, they would have been the wrong kind of sprinkles.

And often there's someone with such a fragile ego that they feel threatened by other points of view and resort to childish offensive insults (and odd references to sprinkles?).
post #57 of 169
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I just finished playing it for the first time. The mix is excellent with lots of discreet sounds plus ambient effects coming from the surrounds. Granted, it is not ultra discreet like the Quadio CTA disc.

The sound quality of this Petty disc is also excellent. This release is well worth the money.

Thanks! Good description. I was hoping for ultra discrete, but from what you've said maybe I'll still like it. (Got my fingers crossed!) I think mine arrives from amazon next week.
post #58 of 169
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Originally Posted by Shadorne View Post

I won't be disappointed but my expectations are different.

This is a remastered version of a classic 1979 2 channel stereo album. I don't think you can expect to be immersed in 5.1 as that did not exist in studios when this was recorded. So they do not have the source material to do this. The 5.1 will likely be similar to the 2 channel sound in that it is mainly a presentation of the band playing in front of the listener as opposed to the highly immersed movie type soundtrack with SFX from front to rear etc.


Keep in mind they mixed the surround from the multitracks (source tapes used to make the masters), so like shinksma said they could make the mix however they wanted. Good point about audio quality though. I hate it when the dynamic range of music is ultra-compressed.
post #59 of 169
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Keep in mind they mixed the surround from the multitracks (source tapes used to make the masters), so like shinksma said they could make the mix however they wanted. Good point about audio quality though. I hate it when the dynamic range of music is ultra-compressed.

I stand corrected on the mix - you and shinksma are right that they got their hands on the original 2 inch multitrack master tapes (probably 24 tracks) - so they can do anything they want.

Tom Petty's CD are not that badly compressed - they are probably in th etop 10% of CD's soundwise. However, as a general rule, there has been pressure on the industry to master very hot and compressed - both from producers and artists. Some people have made a career in the business by destroying sound quality. The obnoxious sound of distortion from audio compression really stands out - same techniques are used to make audio commercials very loud compared to the normal sound of TV programs.

I understand that some compression has been added to the regular Tom Petty CD's. I don't think it is much more than 3 db but it is enough that there is an audible difference between Mojo Blu-ray and the CD. 3 db compression is quite tasteful compared to some albums that seem to have 10 db or more - drums/percussion being especially squashed in most rock and pop CD's.
post #60 of 169
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Yep, it's funny to look at one band's CD releases over the years and see them change.

Take Metallica - http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/inde...year&order=asc

It all goes wrong around 1996 with Load and gets worse and worse with few exceptions, like the Guitar Hero master tracks of Death Magnetic and the Universal Japan re-issues.
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