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Originally Posted by calif_mom View Post

I think I didn't post it correcty? Which ones would be better for my room out of the two configurations below
1)Infinity p153 speakers , Energy S10.3 subwoofer with pioneer receiver VSX-50/51. What center speakers should i use. Should i
go with the bookshelf for L/R and sorround
. With this should i have p 153 for everything L/R, center and sorround
2) Pioneer BS 21 and FS51 with Energy subwoofer and pioneer reciever VSX 50/51
Thanks for the input.
i have the p163 speakers(6.5" woofer) and also the pioneers everyone is so fond of. i find that the tweeter of the infinity is more revealing than the pioneers. however, the pioneers are still very good. i dont think you will be disappointed with either one.
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Originally Posted by RojasTKD View Post

Absolutely, they are rated for up to 50 lbs. I have them holding up not only BS41s but also some C21s, vertically.
I used some 75 lb drywall anchors and the are solid. I also used some double sided take on the clamps to help protect the speakers and give a nice solid hold.

I did end up using some of the screws on the BS21s. It's not so much the weight; but also their big size. I have them angled down, and their height makes them rather top-heavy. I would not have trusted the clamping power alone. The curved shape of the bookshelf speakers did not leave much surface area for the clamps to grab onto.

The 21s are working out great as surrounds. The wife isn't real thrilled with them size wise. But she likes the sound and indulges me my little hobby.
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Why no shots of the new center? The smaller height of it would be a plus in my room. The CS21 is about an inch and a half too tall to avoid covering part of my KURO screen.
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Originally Posted by BeechTom View Post

Thanks everyone for your thoughts on the 41's vs. 21's. Looks like I'm going to have to keep my eyes open for some sales.

You've got 24 hours from12:01am PT today, Wednesday 13 Jun 2012 to get...

Pioneer SP-BS41-LR Bookshelf Loudspeakers Pair $99.99 with promo code EMCYTZT1753

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117406
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I don't even need a pair, but I just got another pair of BS-41's because of the sale. $99 is the lowest they have been, ever, and absolutely worth it.
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Originally Posted by AJCxZ0 View Post

You've got 24 hours from12:01am PT today, Wednesday 13 Jun 2012 to get...
Pioneer SP-BS41-LR Bookshelf Loudspeakers Pair $99.99 with promo code EMCYTZT1753
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117406

Hah, thanks AJC, you might know, the one day I don't check Newegg for these is the day they are running the sale!
post #2587 of 5321
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

Why no shots of the new center? The smaller height of it would be a plus in my room. The CS21 is about an inch and a half too tall to avoid covering part of my KURO screen.

Here is a photo of the center....

Also the height is 7.11 inches. about 1/2 to 3/4 inches shorter...


C22 with Grills Small.jpg 15k .jpg file
post #2588 of 5321
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Originally Posted by Walkamo View Post

Here is a photo of the center....
Also the height is 7.11 inches. about 1/2 to 3/4 inches shorter...
C22 with Grills Small.jpg 15k .jpg file

Chris,

I'm kind of surprised that the new C22 center channel looks exactly like the previous C21. I just assumed (probably incorrectly) that all the new models would have the detachable grills like the FS-52's shown in the photos from the recent demo night. So, will the new "look" of traditional grills be used only on the 52''s? Also, how will the smaller dimensions (and woofers) of the new center channel, effect its overall sound and response? Perhaps you could speak to both of these points a bit. Thanks for being a participant in this forum. Its nice having an inside track on these wonderful products.
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Originally Posted by Audio Bob View Post

Chris,
I'm kind of surprised that the new C22 center channel looks exactly like the previous C21. I just assumed (probably incorrectly) that all the new models would have the detachable grills like the FS-52's shown in the photos from the recent demo night. So, will the new "look" of traditional grills be used only on the 52''s? Also, how will the smaller dimensions (and woofers) of the new center channel, effect its overall sound and response? Perhaps you could speak to both of these points a bit. Thanks for being a participant in this forum. Its nice having an inside track on these wonderful products.

Hi Bob,

The C22 does have the same type of removable grill as the FS52 speakers. Maybe the picture was not very clear.

The new speakers have dual SSW 4" woofers (Same woofer from center speaker) and a 1" soft dome tweeter.

Here is a pic without the grill.

299

Thanks,

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics
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Thanks Chris for the clarification. Yes indeed, I like the new look! smile.gif
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Unless I'm blind, I still haven't seen anyone mention anything about the new Andrew Jones designed device with the ethernet and USB ports. Any info on this? Did everyone sign a NDA on it or something? biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by BeechTom View Post

Hah, thanks AJC, you might know, the one day I don't check Newegg for these is the day they are running the sale!

Just in case you are regretting not buying and don't check NewEgg for the next 72 hours, this self-appointed monitor and shill advises that you can still get them for $99 using promo code EMCNDJE54.
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Thanks so much to everyone for reporting back on the new upgraded speakers. All of the changes look great I can't wait until I can get a chance to listen.

But if Andrew / Chris are still monitoring this thread I do have a question.

From the pictures it looks like the new towers gain just a few inches in overall height but it appears that the lowest driver sits substantially higher off the floor. I'm wondering if this was simply for aesthetics or if these were moved for sonic reasons? Also does anyone have a picture of the towers with the new speaker grills? I really like the oval shape of the grill on the center speaker and I'm wondering if you went for the same look throughout the line?
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Oh man, nearly dropped the ball! Didn't realize they were on sale the 13th, and i try to check them every day! No worries, they were all on sale again today smile.gif Jumped on the 41s! Is the Subwoofer also being discontinued?? So i can jump on that one ASAP
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Originally Posted by Kingcarcas View Post

Jumped on the 41s! Is the Subwoofer also being discontinued?? So i can jump on that one ASAP

Glad to hear my still unpaid shilling [Hint, hint, NewEgg] was of help.

I would echo wiser folks' advice on passing on the cheap sub and saving up some $$ to spend on a far better sub from one of the reputable direct sale vendors. My 6.1 system (configured as 7.1 with phantom center) comprises six speakers priced slightly less than two Pioneer SP-FS51-LRs and four SP-BS21-LRs and a SVS PC12-NSD sub which cost twice as much as all the other speakers combined, so I have put my money where my mouth is (for what that might be worth).
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Originally Posted by AJCxZ0 View Post

Glad to hear my still unpaid shilling [Hint, hint, NewEgg] was of help.
I would echo wiser folks' advice on passing on the cheap sub and saving up some $$ to spend on a far better sub from one of the reputable direct sale vendors. My 6.1 system (configured as 7.1 with phantom center) comprises six speakers priced slightly less than two Pioneer SP-FS51-LRs and four SP-BS21-LRs and a SVS PC12-NSD sub which cost twice as much as all the other speakers combined, so I have put my money where my mouth is (for what that might be worth).

AJC, I have the same sub, love it! Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I may have to wait for the BS42's to come out. Got home from work the other day and the tree guy was ready to cut down my dead tree...I hadn't figured on that expense until next month. Rats!
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Can the grills be easly removed ? That could improve the tweeter output..
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Has anyone modified the crossovers to increase the tweeter output, maybe there is a resistor inline with the tweeter that could be bypassed.
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

Can the grills be easly removed ? That could improve the tweeter output..

The new line seems to have removable grills. At least the SP-C22 does.
post #2601 of 5321
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Originally Posted by AJCxZ0 View Post

Glad to hear my still unpaid shilling [Hint, hint, NewEgg] was of help.
I would echo wiser folks' advice on passing on the cheap sub and saving up some $$ to spend on a far better sub from one of the reputable direct sale vendors. My 6.1 system (configured as 7.1 with phantom center) comprises six speakers priced slightly less than two Pioneer SP-FS51-LRs and four SP-BS21-LRs and a SVS PC12-NSD sub which cost twice as much as all the other speakers combined, so I have put my money where my mouth is (for what that might be worth).

I agree. But if you want a sub on a budget, save a little more and catch the Energy S10.3 when on sale at Newegg for around $200-$220. Will have more SPL (volume) than the SW-8 and solid output down to around the mid 20hz range. Great starter sub. People have been very happy with it.
post #2602 of 5321
Hello all

New to the forum and really enjoying reading it.

I'm looking to purchase a set of these speakers by the end of the summer. Does anyone know when the new versions will be avaliable?

Thanks
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Are these a good upgrade from the Polk Monitor series? I have been increasingly unhappy with how my speakers sound, minus the subwoofer, and that has given me the itch to upgrade. Unfortunately, I don't have the budget (or the need, really - I'm in an apartment) to spend a lot.
Currently, I have:

2x Polk Monitor 50s
2x Polk Monitor 30s
1x Polk Monitor CS1
1x Polk PSW505

All powered by a Denon AVR590.

The problem is that there is basically no midrange or midbass unless I turn the crossover over to 120hz, but then the sub location because painfully obvious. Even without the sub, things just sound...flat, even though the Monitor 50s claim to be +\- 3db fairly low considering their driver size.

Given how cheap these Pioneers are, I am a bit skeptical that they are worth the upgrade. Am I wrong?
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Originally Posted by aggybong View Post

Are these a good upgrade from the Polk Monitor series? I have been increasingly unhappy with how my speakers sound, minus the subwoofer, and that has given me the itch to upgrade. Unfortunately, I don't have the budget (or the need, really - I'm in an apartment) to spend a lot.
Currently, I have:
2x Polk Monitor 50s
2x Polk Monitor 30s
1x Polk Monitor CS1
1x Polk PSW505
All powered by a Denon AVR590.
The problem is that there is basically no midrange or midbass unless I turn the crossover over to 120hz, but then the sub location because painfully obvious. Even without the sub, things just sound...flat, even though the Monitor 50s claim to be +\- 3db fairly low considering their driver size.
Given how cheap these Pioneers are, I am a bit skeptical that they are worth the upgrade. Am I wrong?

I would advise waiting until July before considering Andrew Jones Pioneers. Why? New models coming out have performance gains over the ones from last year.

Side question - does your AVR have a Pure or Pure Direct mode?
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

I would advise waiting until July before considering Andrew Jones Pioneers. Why? New models coming out have performance gains over the ones from last year.
Side question - does your AVR have a Pure or Pure Direct mode?

I'm interested in the ones available now because, 1) People have thoroughly reviewed them, and 2) they are heavily discounted.

I don't know what Pure or Pure Direct is, but I've never heard of it and I've pretty much gone through every menu option multiple times.
post #2606 of 5321
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Originally Posted by aggybong View Post

I'm interested in the ones available now because, 1) People have thoroughly reviewed them, and 2) they are heavily discounted.
I don't know what Pure or Pure Direct is, but I've never heard of it and I've pretty much gone through every menu option multiple times.

Pure Direct mode is the best way to set a receiver in order to audition new speakers. It shuts off power to everything BUT your two fronts (you'll notice a volume difference going from standard surround to PD), sets them to full-range, and you get to hear what they sound like compared to any new speakers you're considering, without having to re-wire your center, rears, and sub(s).
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There's a direct stereo mode, which sounds like that as long as I have the sub option set to no.

So, would these be a worthy upgrade, or should I hold off?
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So far i have to say i'm not impressed with the 51's as a basshead (but i wasn't expecting to be with 3 5'' drivers, also this with v0 mp3s connected to an old Pioneer receiver from my phone so it's not the best source around but w/e)

The 41's are still being broken in biggrin.gif Will jump on the subwoofer soon. Some people are saying the Martin Logan $160 sub is a good musical sub on a budget, but the reviews are nothing but positive at the egg for this one, plus it matches! "Captivating Performance!"

^Sweet thanks for the Pure Direct info.

^^ It's a toss up of opinion with the Monitors, i will wait a little while before i plunk down for the 70's with 4 6'' drivers in sweet cherry. cool.gif Now somebody is getting an early christmas present in the BS-21 ( I feel sorry for the guy checking out Bose satellites at Fry's with a sales rep)
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Originally Posted by aggybong View Post

Are these a good upgrade from the Polk Monitor series? Given how cheap these Pioneers are, I am a bit skeptical that they are worth the upgrade. Am I wrong?
No. The Polks sound better and are more efficient too.
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Originally Posted by Dave1027 View Post

No. The Polks sound better and are more efficient too.

Well, I picked them up at Best Buy, anyway ($235 for the towers, center, and small rears in a bundled deal) and I love them. I can actually hear midbass now and the highs don't hurt my ears. After my girlfriend finished rolling her eyes at my purchase, I had her try out the two different sets and she agreed that the Pioneers sounded much better and were worth the cost. She loved the Polks before she heard these.

I know it's not completely fair since I was using the Monitor 50s instead of the Monitor 60s which might have had better midbass but the same bright highs, but the Pioneers are still cheaper than both AND sound better in my ears.
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