Pioneer's Speaker Genius Hits Low Price Point - Page 89

I have 50UT50 great stunning Picture particularly in a dark room.

I now BS21 is quite entry level, but I am starting with them with AVR & Sub and once I'll find a deal on FS51 or some others, I'll use BS21 pair as side/rear.

I am not getting Polk PSW10. GOing to get either of Pioneer SW8 or BIC V80. For AVR, eyeing on craiglist, or will get Denon 1612.

Thank you for your all information...

Yes both are almost at $199 so will get Denon 1612 (As Denon 1612 is newer than Pioneer 821)

& Once I'll get good deal on FS51 or other I'll use these as sides. I don't want to spend much for a Energy s 10.3, so will workaround for $100 sub

Actually both the Denon 1612 and Pioneer 821 both came out in spring 2011. If the Denon is newer it is only by a month of two.

Here are a couple of reviews of the 1612 and 821 which could help you out.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-1612-av-receiver
http://www.hometheater.com/content/pioneer-vsx-821-av-receiver

If he is such a genius, why did he design the center speaker with the tweeter vertically centered between the two mid drivers?

FYI All the Andrew Jones models (except the 41's) are on sale today at Newegg. Must be cleaning house before the new models come out.

I know! I wish Newegg would stop that! Its like waving half priced crack in front of a crackhead!

I'm trying to decide if I should jump in now or wait for a sale on the new models. I'm not an audiophile so leaning towards buying them now but have until the 12th to make my decision.

I have a Jamo s426 speaker set that I had bought last year on the cheap, but I've been thinking about upgrading. Do you guys think the SF51 would be noticeable upgrade or would I better off with a higher "tier" of speakers? What is the consensus on the Pioneer center channel? Also, will I be better off waiting for the new models to come out?

I have a Denon 1712 and a Energy 10.3 sub. Room is approximatelyy 15x13.

Well said, Ratified! But just wait until the new models come out; that will be some heavy-duty smack!

any dates on when the new line comes out?

12-21-2012

A little bit of info here
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1418889/new-sp-bs22-lr-speakers-for-attendees-of-our-open-house#post_22193768

Unfortunately by then we wouldn't have time to listen to them - we could be fighting off zombies or walking in shackles provided by our new alien overlords.....or maybe enjoying a rainbow-filled utopia & feeding our new personal unicorns.

Will pioneer 8" subwoofer would be nice with BS21 as 2.1 or adding central channel CS21 with pair of BS21 would a better option for a smaller room ( 12" * 14")?

I was trying to figure out your question here? If you are asking whether it would be better to buy the subwoofer OR a center channel speaker, I really think you need the subwoofer more to complete the low end range of your BS21's. They do not have very deep bass and the sub would held tremendously. If you could, however, swing both the sub and the center channel, you would have a very nice sounding 3.1 system. Later on, you could buy some BS41's or FS51's for the fronts, and use the BS21's as your surrounds, to make a dynamite sounding 5.1 system. Good luck!

Thanks for your comments. I'll get CS21 for $50 for now as this will exactly fit with in the middle shelf of my TV stand. I'll have to manage to place the sub in my small bedroom so I'll get the sub at the later stage...
If I haven't already bought BS21, I would go for simple 2.0 set up with FS51...

Hi all, I was directed to this thread after making a "budget 5.1 speakers" thread. I've looked at a lot of possibilities, from the Energy Take Classic set, the Martin Logan HS-2 set, and a mix of the Energy 10.3 sub and Pioneers. Here is my real question. I have a limited budget (aiming for under $400), and while I really like the feedback on the FS51s, I have a 5 and 3 year old so I hesitate to purchase floor standing speakers. The 3 year old is a little crazy! My wife is also not thrilled about floor standing speakers. I would like to wall mount as much as I can, but the BS41s are NOT on sale, and buying the Energy 10.3 sub, the BS41s, the BS21s, and the C21 will put me over budget. Someone mentioned that a few people have used C21s as L/R speakers, and not just for the center. Would it work well to purchase three C21s to handle left, right and center in a surround setup? I could also purchase everything BUT the L/R speakers for now, and wait to see if the BS41s go on sale in the next couple of weeks. I don't need the entire system now, as it's for my new house that we won't be in until the end of the month.

If you want any details on the room, it's 15 X 14 with hardwood floors. Here's a pic from the listing.



Thanks in advance for any feedback. I realize this may have been addressed in this thread, but 80+ pages can be tough to comb through!

I should also add that I have a hand-me-down receiver from my brother, a Pioneer VSX-72TXV. And my primary usage, in order of importance, is for Movies, video games, and music. Thanks!

Irishdoom; it seems to me that the Energy sub is, price-wise, a little out of balance with your overall goal of spending $400 or less for your whole system. It is currently $248 at Amazon (Vann's had it cheaper ($149) but its either out of stock or being discontinued). You might need to compromise your choice of sub in order to get a complete 5.1 system especially in that you list movies as your first priority. What worked for me was the complete Pioneer system (FS 51's / BS21's / CS21 and SW-8) which I got for under $300 at Newegg. While SW-8 is not an overly powerful or deep sub, it is fine for movies and great for music. It's a good compromise for its price until you can upgrade to something better As to using the CS21 as LCR's, I'm a little meh about that. While it is possible, as Andrew Jones himself pointed earlier in this thread, they were not designed for that purpose. If I remember correctly, it had to do with their limited bass response compared to the other speakers in this line.

So having said that, Newegg currently has all the Pioneer speakers (except the BS41's) on sale until 7/12. You could buy the BS21's / CS21 / SW-8 for $180 and wait a week or two for the 41's to go on sale. Or just buy the BS41's now at $149 and STILL be under budget. Personally, I would go for the on sale FS51's since the 41's are going to need stands and will take up just as much floor space as the 51's. You mentioned wall-mounting the speakers. You will also need to figure in the cost of brackets since drilling into the pioneer cabinets will cancel your warranty. Here is a wall bracket from Amazon that some folks on this forum have used with the Pioneers: http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-Clamping-Bookshelf-Speaker-Mounts/dp/B002UV03MW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1302712465&sr=8-1&tag=5336055023-20

So, lots of decisions to make. Good luck and I know that you will really enjoy the Pioneers once you get them installed. They make a great entry level system that is unmatched at their price point.

Thanks for the advice. Going with the Pioneer sub does save me like $120. I got hung up on the Energy sub as so many people insist it's a fantastic bargain at $190 on NewEgg right now. This is my very first surround system, so maybe I can chill out a little. Also, I haven't SEEN these speakers in a store, so I'm unfamiliar with how big the 41s are. Will they be difficult to wall mount?

The Energy sub is 100% WORTH YOUR INVESTMENT. Even if it means on waiting a while for surrounds! Trust me. I got it for 190$ at end of June.

As for the Fs51's Build shelves for them I have mine above the floor about 18 inches since they are smaller then normal Floor standings. One real cheap and nice stand I use is my wifes Painter chair haha, it is a tripod chair that can adjust heigth lol. I didnt have anything small to sit it on and cant build a shelf where it is haha.

But honestly the BS41 I hear are good but they wont provide you the sound of the FS 51. I use the FS 51 on fronts and sides and BS 21 on rears(got these for 50).

On energy s10.3 and 4 FS 51 and 2 BS 21 and CS21 I spent ~470$ on sale at newegg.

CS was 40 , BS21 was 50, FS51 x 2 was 270( 130 each pair ) and energy was 190

Irishdoom, the subwoofer is your BEST investment in a surround sound system. The pioneer sub is 1/2 as powerful as the Energy sub. IMO you would be wasting your money dude.

It would be better to have a great sub and front and center and wait for surrounds then to have a okay sub and surrounds.

A good subwoofer way too important for best sound.

Read this review about the Pioneer sub
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1401651/pioneer-sw-8-omnimic-frequency-response-graphs

I agree. The SW-8 is not the same quality/performance value as the rest of the Pioneer speaker set. The S10.3 is in a different league from the SW-8: more volume output, lower frequency output (a big plus for movie watching), and better sound quality at higher volumes.

I am newb to HT, recently I am in market to build one and am reading lot about on this forum.
As of now their is very good deal going on Infinity Primus (P363) and Pioneer A Jones series (FS51)
Both have got very high review on forums
Almost same in size
Same price level

I have to decide one out of this two series and will appreciate feedback from someone who have reviewed and heard both

Unfortunately at this time I dont have any store nearby having both of this series

Your help will be highly appreciated.

Thanks

What receiver are you using or planning on buying? The reason I ask, is that while you have two good choices in speakers here, the P363 is much more efficient (if the ratings are true) than the FS51. What you can achieve in maximum output with the P363 with 25 watts will take approximately 100 watts with the FS51. It isn't really a major strike against the Pioneers, which I really like, but it's definitely something to keep in mind, especially if budget-receiver shopping.

Sorry, I didn't realize that Newegg had the Energy 10.3 at $189. That changes everything IF you can afford to go over your budget and spend a little bit more money. So, "best of all worlds" entry level system: FS51's / BS21's / C21 / Energy 10.3 = Out the door at $418! You can't do much better than that.

Thanks Bob and everyone. Pulled the trigger on the above mentioned setup for a shade under $420 shipped.

I also just placed an order for the Pioneer Setup consisting of:

VSX-1022 receiver
FS51 Front L/R
C31 Center
BS21 Surround
Dayton SUB-1000 Subwoofer

Total: $640

Congrats guys

I spent 1090 on onkyo 709 , 4 fs51 , bs21 n energy s10.3 for 7.1
Every penny well spent

But now im buying too many blu rays for the audio hahaha