Pioneer's Speaker Genius Hits Low Price Point - Page 90

Unfortunately, you can't always believe what speaker companies tell you. In addition to misrepresenting the impedance of the P363s, the measured sensitivity of the P363s is lower than what HK/Infinity claims. See Audioholic's measurements. Meanwhile, the both the C12 and BS41 measured out just slightly higher than rated sensitivity, so it's a good guess that the FS51's sensitivity is at least as high as stated.

Sadly, that's exactly why I put the "if the ratings are true" caveat in there. The P363 ratings are mighty "optimistic" compared with those test results. Too bad.

While the P363 may be optimistically rated, it's basically on par sensitivity wise with other similar tier speakers. The Pioneers however are VERY noticeably less sensitive when comparing side by side with others. And remember that since they're 6 ohms, 2.83V is more than 1 watt, so to you have to subtract from their listed sensitivity to get the real 1W/1m number. It'll be interesting to see how much more efficient the new versions are.

I pulled the trigger on the sub! I'll see, this is a small room and making too much bass isn't a good idea around here. I tried the Bic 10'' and wasn't too impressed, if it stinks i'll probably try the Dayton 1000 eventually.

I just picked up my first speaker system from Newegg for $230.

Pioneer SP-FS51-LR (Fronts) - $130
Pioneer SP-C21 (Center) - $50
Pioneer SP-BS21-LR (Surrounds) - $50

I'm planning on running a 5.0 setup to start with, I'm in a small apartment living room so I don't need/want a lot of bass for now. This will add to my recent purchases of a Panasonic 55" VT50, Panasonic BDT320, APC H10 Power Conditioner, and Onkyo TX-NR616 receiver. Can anyone offer advice/tips for setting these up with the Onkyo 616? I already have 14AWG speaker wire and banana plugs from Monoprice and I've ordered Sanus NF30 stands for the surrounds.

Thanks for the help!

The Onkyo NR616 has Audyssey 2EQ room calibration software. Plug in your 5 speakers and position them where you want and run Audyssey. It'll do the configuring for you.

grats erm, youll be very satisfied

Well, lest anyone think that these Pioneer speakers aren't well built, I was just awakened by one of my BS41's tumbling 3ft to the hardwood floor. I'm assuming cat or ghost. Anyway, other than a very, very subtle veneer scuffing on a couple corners, it's fine and working perfectly (knock on speaker).

How's the floor? And the cat?

The floor didn't notice. The cat was freaked out. There weren't any paw prints to incriminate her, but she might have been wearing mittens. She's sneaky.

Those of you that own these speakers, how do you have them mounted?

Will the FS51s require a small stand to bring the tweeter closer to ear level, or do they sound ok on the floor as is?

Are the BS21s and center channel easily wall mountable, or is there a different solution I should look at, like stands for the surrounds and the center channel resting on my TV stand below? I read through about 20 pages of this thread, but it gets tough at a certain point!

Just wall mounted my TV and a c-21 and a pair of bs-41's. Ran all the wires through the wall too! These are my first speakers and I couldn't be happier with them.

i have mine raised to ear level on the FS51s

It's a bit inconvenient not to label 80Hz on the crossover dial, i'm not connecting the sub with "hi level in" but i'm curious how you would? I see only one pair of connections

I'm assuming that you are looking for a pass-through for the speaker cable. Basically, you have to do what I did and run a second length of speaker cable to the sub. On my Marantz integrated I simply ran it from the "B" speaker outputs. Works just fine.

Is that a goat? lmao

I can't really think of a situation where you'd be using the onboard crossover and the number would be relevant. The only time you'd usually want to aim for a specific frequency would be if you were crossing over your mains at a similar frequency. Generally if you are equipped to do that, you wouldn't be using the built in crossover. And while 80Hz may be the number you're looking for, it's not for everyone. It'd make no more sense to put a mark at 80 than it would to put a mark at 95.

The speaker level input is usually set up with binding posts or spring clips. A quick google image search shows me the SW-8 has spring clips conveniently labeled "HI LEVEL IN". You would just hook speaker wires to those, in parallel with the wires going to your mains.

I'm definitely not understanding what you're trying to do... Give a few more details of your goals and we can provide some help.

I have my c21s ( I'm one of the few using 3 C21s in LCR setup) on speaker stands from standsandmounts.com. Great prices and fast shipping! As far as the question about using the C21 for LR in an earlier post, they work fine! The centers trade less bass extension for better midrange/midbass (vocals) as they were designed to be used as, well, a center. I use them with a Energy s10.3 sub and they sound great with everything from classical to hard rock/metal.

Yeah it's a mer-goat ceramic statue that my girlfriend made, it's very large about the width of the c21 and a little bit taller

is it wrong to admit im in love with my pioneer setup? Great speakers

nope, i upgraded to the pioneers from the energy take classic. i am extremely happy, at least for a few years.

Ok what was happening is i wasn't hearing the sub, so i figured maybe it didn't work under stereo or direct modes and i was wondering how the heck you would connect it with only one pair of speaker connectors behind it (they usually have two) but what was really going on was the volume was only halfway when it needs to be cranked 100% I need to experiment with the placement and bring over the FS51s instead of the BS41s to see if they can satisfy me in the bedroom (hey hey watch it!)
If not do you guys think it's a good idea to buy another one? I know it won't be "true sub stereo" but hey if it gets the job done for this basshead? It's a smallish room, about 10x12. I'd really like to do that as everything would match and it'll look symmetrical instead of just caving and going for a Martin Logan or Energy

First off, the FS51's will work just fine placed directly on the floor as that is how they were designed. I used mine that way for several months. If you want to, however, experiment with raising them up a bit, the absolute cheapest way I've found is to take two of the white styrofoam shipping blocks that the speakers came in and use these as stands. That will raise the speakers up about 4 inches which will tend to open up the high-end a bit and also serve to isolate the speaker's vibrations from the floor. I sprayed mine satin black to match the gloss level of the speakers (use ONLY water based paints otherwise you'll melt the styrofoam!!) and they look great. If you want to use a more sophisticated looking stand these might fill the bill: http://www.amazon.com/TECHNOLOGY-WT-10-5-Finish-Speaker-Stands/dp/B00006JQMX/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=389D414QDE7AN&coliid=I33XXXXK5DPCCX

As to the center channel speaker, mine is mounted in a cabinet underneath my widescreen. If you have no cabinet, then either wall mount or use a center channel speaker stand. Wood Technology offers quite a wide choice of inexpensive stands: http://www.wood-tech.com/catalog/7/speaker_stands_mounts

I'm currently using a 36" pair of these for my surrounds: http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=1PGLS02%20%20%2032

Again, good luck and keep us informed of your adventures!

If you have to crank the sub 100%, that probably means you have way too much room for that sub and/or you like a lot of heavy bass. If you listen to it at louder volumes with the gain on the sub set that way, eventually you will probably destroy it. Adding a second of the same type probably isn't going to help much; you probably need a much larger sub. How big is your room in cubic feet?

How are you getting signal to the subwoofer? And what is your source?

Sorry. I missed that the room is 10x12. So the sub should provide some adequate bass at reasonable listening levels.

I do not have my FS51s on stands; they stand on the floor. My former satellite speakers were at about the same level on their stands as the tweeter is in the FS51s. I do not put them on stands because they sound fine to me where they are, and I feel that such a vertical speaker would become unstable on a stand. The left one is in a high traffic area and could easily be toppled by a person or a pet if it were on a stand.

The C21 is on a shelf below the TV. My BIC F12 sub is left of center.

At the suggestion of a poster earlier in this thread, I mounted my BS21s with THESE. The BS21s are fairly heavy and large. The rounded shape makes it difficult to mount them because the clamp-type base does not have a lot of surface area to grip onto. Those mounts have tiny screws in the base that help hold the speakers securely.

I have seen mounts like that but with front/back mounting instead of side/side. Where I cant recall and my saved link is on a now defunct harddrive!

Found them!!
http://www.amazon.com/Vogels-VLB200-Clamping-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B0002Z827G/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt

Thanks for the link Rat. but it says "Currently unavailable.We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."

here is another style; http://www.amazon.com/SANUS-SYSTEMS-WMS-2-Speaker-WMS2/dp/B00009WE15/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_3