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post #2881 of 5313
I bought the fs5, bs21, c21 & the sw-8. I paired it up with a denon avr1712.

I think the sound is very clear and I am happy with it. The only draw back is that the speakers do not seem very loud. I know it is a 6 ohm system and I have it in a fairly large basement room.

I have a similar set up upstairs in an almost identical set up and room size (Take 5 classic, BIC sub with denon avr1712). The take 5 seems much louder. I don't need to have ear splitting volume with my pioneer set up, but I guess I was expecting more. Is there something I am doing wrong in the set up or is it the difference between 6 ohm and 8 ohm speakers.
post #2882 of 5313
I am using 4xFS51 and the CS21 in a 5.0 setup, and it works great. It did take me awhile to get dialed in as it was my first surround setup. I tried using with 2xSW8s, but the subs suck as speakers. Anyone in Reno area want them? I also have: 1xCS21, and 4xBS21 for sale.
post #2883 of 5313
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Originally Posted by grones View Post

Really appreciate all the great insights from this thread. I purchased the BS-41s and CS-21 a couple months back on one of the numerous newegg sales. Have them paired with the Denon 1612 and am loving everything so far (first actual home theater setup). Definitely planning to add a sub, but waiting until I move into a new apartment in the next month.
Think I may already know the answer from backreading, but is it not advisable to use the new FS-52s with the CS-21 as the center and the BS-41s as rears? The cosmetic improvements with the grilles on the FS-52s should enable me to get girlfriend approval (she couldn't get past the appearance of the prior model). I'd also be alright replacing the CS-21 with the CS-22 (so that the fronts are timbre matched) as long as it wouldn't have too big an impact to keep the BS-41S as the rears.
Any input is greatly appreciated. No immediate rush to do this, but just planning ahead. May even end up using the current 3.0 (plus a new sub) for another year and wait for deals on the new models before upgrading.

Since nobody else has posted up... I am doing exactly this - just ordered the BS41's to complete my 5.0 system with the C22 and FS52's. I will let you know, but from my perspective they seem to be exactly the same in cabinet design other than speaker size to the "2" series. I think the timbre will be spot on.
post #2884 of 5313
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Originally Posted by grones View Post

Think I may already know the answer from backreading, but is it not advisable to use the new FS-52s with the CS-21 as the center and the BS-41s as rears? The cosmetic improvements with the grilles on the FS-52s should enable me to get girlfriend approval (she couldn't get past the appearance of the prior model). I'd also be alright replacing the CS-21 with the CS-22 (so that the fronts are timbre matched) as long as it wouldn't have too big an impact to keep the BS-41S as the rears.

Any input is greatly appreciated. No immediate rush to do this, but just planning ahead. May even end up using the current 3.0 (plus a new sub) for another year and wait for deals on the new models before upgrading.

It is more than just the grills that have been changed, and the size of the towers and the center.

The drivers have been redesigned and the networks are new >> to my ears, the Phase 2 is a nice
step up in sound quality and sound somewhat different. The BS41 can still be some nice surrounds.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-57490890-47/mission-impossible-design-great-sounding-affordable-speakers/
post #2885 of 5313
What is the general concensus on the SW-8 subwoofer? I was thinking about picking one up to use in a 2.1 setup. It sure looks a lot like the old ASW-8 from The Speaker Company, which was a clone of the ESW-8 from Energy. Anyone using one for music? How does it hold up? Thanks!
Tiga
post #2886 of 5313
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Originally Posted by Tiga View Post

What is the general concensus on the SW-8 subwoofer? I was thinking about picking one up to use in a 2.1 setup. It sure looks a lot like the old ASW-8 from The Speaker Company, which was a clone of the ESW-8 from Energy. Anyone using one for music? How does it hold up? Thanks!
Tiga

I think the general consensus is that it performs about like a 80-100$ subwoofer should. In my opinion, 100$ (new) subwoofers aren't really worth the effort. I say go without a subwoofer until you can afford more.
post #2887 of 5313
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Originally Posted by Tiga View Post

What is the general concensus on the SW-8 subwoofer?

As you would see reading or searching the thread, the consensus is to avoid it unless you must have poor bass for very little money. It is by far the weak item in an otherwise strong line-up. There are some decent cheap (always a relative term) subs and you can research them in the "List of budget subwoofers ($300 and less)" thread on this forum.

You should also consider buying a used sub. many folks sell their perfectly good subs in order to upgrade.

You don't say which speakers you're using, but if you aren't going to buy a decent sub, then that budget is much better invested in getting getting better speakers (e.g. the SP-BS41-LR or better SP-FS51-LR instead of the SP-BS21-LR, or SP-FS52 instead of the SP-FS51-LR).
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Anyone using one for music?

A good sub is worth the investment for home theater, but especially for music. Unfortunately you cannot buy subs of comparable quality and value to these Pioneer speakers.

My 6.1 home theater is based on bargain speakers of comparable price to these Pioneers, but my sub cost double thatt of all the speakers and I still consider it a good value.
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It sure looks a lot like the old ASW-8 from The Speaker Company, which was a clone of the ESW-8 from Energy.

I've seen speculation here and elsewhere that this is no coincidence. Others posit that there are only so many ways to build a bargain basement sub.

I love my TSBL speakers. I actually have a spare pair of BS-21LR speakers in A+B mode on my TSBLs at an angle offset.
post #2888 of 5313
So today I decide to stop in Best Buy and check out the new SP-C22 center channel as the SP-C21 center does not fit in my stand and every time I look at it sitting there it annoys the heck out of me. While I was walking around the store I heard some music from a Billy Joel concert being played, I said to myself (WOW) that sounds damn good, that sounds really good. As I make my way over the sound room( this best buy is one of the largest on the east coast) I ask an employee to show me some speakers. I tell him I want to hear the pioneer SP-C22 center. He plays around with the computer and says to me, Hey witch speakers are playing now? Low and behold it was a set of the little pioneer SP-BS22-LR. We both said holy S#!T they sound good. As he was looking for the center to play he hit a button and played a set of Klipsch. They had nothing, I mean nothing on the pioneers. I finally listened to the SP-C22 and it also sounded wonderful, Then we had to hear the new SP-FS52.And once again WOW. I then asked if they carried the package deal that pioneer has and he says i don't know but if not i will give you a deal. He comes back and says my manger said $425.00 for FS-52, BS-22,C-22. Then he says i will give you all that for $349.00. BANG I pulled the trigger and said ring it up. Now I am going to have to build another system downstairs the my pool and game room with the other 2 sets of SP-FS51-LR, SP-C21, and SP-BS21-LR. So much for just picking up a new center channel, I just couldn't help myself
post #2889 of 5313
One more entry level question. How to fasten the BS21 onto to the speak stand? use screw to fasten the speaker?

I want to buy the Sanus BF31B1 stand.
post #2890 of 5313
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Originally Posted by BTTOG View Post

One more entry level question. How to fasten the BS21 onto to the speak stand? use screw to fasten the speaker?
I want to buy the Sanus BF31B1 stand.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001FGLX72/ref=mp_s_a_1?pi=75x75&qid=1346100706&sr=8-1
post #2891 of 5313
Thanks.
post #2892 of 5313
FYI...Newegg currently has all of the 1st gen loudspeakers on sale.

Brian
post #2893 of 5313
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

FYI...Newegg currently has all of the 1st gen loudspeakers on sale.
Brian

Great time to pick up your triple center speaker set-up! smile.gif
post #2894 of 5313
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Originally Posted by Audio Bob View Post

Great time to pick up your triple center speaker set-up! smile.gif

I have moved on from that, simply because I am leery of having a speaker that tall sitting on a stand unsecured. Between my own clumsiness and the cleaning lady, no doubt one of more C21's would suffer a fall.

But I am actually thinking crazier thoughts than that. :-)

I have a NHT Classic set-up in my HT room (C3, C2, C3 Center, augmented with an HSU 1225 sub). I was thinking of picking up a C21, a pair of B41's, along with a pair of my existing B21's, and swapping the lot into that system, just 'cuz it would be fun to see how they sound compared to some speakers that cost several multiples of the price of the Pios.

I continue to be blown away by the B21's in my music rig and am very curious how a full set of the Pios they would sound in my HT system.

BGL
post #2895 of 5313
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

FYI...Newegg currently has all of the 1st gen loudspeakers on sale.
Brian

Worked my way through most of this thread, and decided to sign on. Was waiting for the Jamos to go on sale (again), but, since waiting is not one of my stronger assets, hit newegg for the FS51s, C21 and BS21s for $220. These will replace my HKTS14 system. The subwoofer should be fine (the DSP helps), and my Pioneer VSX-1020's MCACC should be able to get everything to match.

This will be fun! Thanks to everyone here for the advice/suggestions/heads up.

Michael

post #2896 of 5313
Has anyone wall mounted the BS41 or C21 speakers? I am looking to upgrade my current klipsch speakers and these seem like a good buy. I've seen these mounts and I think they should work. With these kind of mounts I'd need to drill a hole into the cabinet, right? Would it affect the sound in any way?
Edited by utee05 - 8/30/12 at 8:40am
post #2897 of 5313
Hi to all..

I've been following this thread for quite some time now and I think I am now ready to upgrade the speakers on the Onkyo HT-S3400 HTIB that I got a few months ago. However, I cannot purchase all of the 5.0 speakers at the moment. All speakers are on sale on Newegg until Sept 3. So I need some help here on deciding on what to get first. Below are the options:

1. Buy 2 FS51s for LR and go phantom centre for $120 and buy BS41/BS21 and C21 later on. In this case, I could save $50 when/if a pair of BS21s goes on sale again,
or
2. Buy 2 BS41s and a C21 for LCR for $150 and buy the FS51s later. Of course I'll move the BS41s for surround duty when the time comes.

With either options, until I get the full setup completed, I will relegate the front LR speakers from the HTIB for surround sound.

Which one is the better choice? A little help please...


Thank you very much in advance smile.gif
post #2898 of 5313

How much room do you have?

I just got mine as an upgrade to my satellite system. These guys are BIG. I'm not sure yet what I'm going to do with the 21s which I bought for surround duty since I can't just hang them where I have my current sats. The 41s are going to be huge for surrounds, but if you have the room, that's certainly an option.

For you, I'd suggest 2 51s and a C21 ($170). Prices are good, the sound will be fantastic (which it is, by the way - I'm extremely happy with my setup, even without the 21s up yet), and you can replace the rears whenever. The 41s would make fine fronts, I'm sure, but I think the extra $20 for the 51s is worthwhile, and I think the 41s as surrounds is overkill.

Have fun.

Michael

post #2899 of 5313
I have a 12 x 16 living room and I think these will fill up the room quite nicely. Do you think I can go without the C21 in the mean time and just have the FS51s up front? Anyone else have this set up for now?

BTW, if anyone of you is thinking of getting the phase 2 of this set, they're cheaper now at tigerdirect, 1 FS52 for $99, C22 for $99, and a pair of BS22 for $99. Not quite as good when they had them for $79 but still cheaper. At this rate, I don't know if I should wait for another price drop and just get these instead when I'm piecing them together over time anyway.
post #2900 of 5313
I have the FS51, C21, and B21 setup and I continue to enjoy mine. 10' x 17' room that has a few openings, but I have all of the doors closed right now. They're all wood doors with glass panes in an older house.

I'm watching Ghost Protocol right now and around the 00:42:00 mark there is a surround sweep that made me jump out of my seat! I was on the laptop and not really focusing too much and it came out of nowhere! This movie has excellent surround effects and overall SQ and the Pioneers are handling it well. I know that when I add a subwoofer they should get even better as the AVR won't have to push so hard to create those low frequencies the speakers shouldn't have to handle. I'm using an Onkyo 616 and it forces the front L/R to be set to full range if there is no subwoofer hooked up.
post #2901 of 5313
So I've been sent over here from my thread....

My question for you guys is...

Are the FS52, CS22, BS22 worth $520 after taxes out the door versus $220 for the previous generation?
post #2902 of 5313
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Originally Posted by Ants View Post

So I've been sent over here from my thread....
My question for you guys is...
Are the FS52, CS22, BS22 worth $520 after taxes out the door versus $220 for the previous generation?

I don't think the new speakers have been out long enough to provide a definitive answer to your question. The few posts that have appeared here and elsewhere seem to be very positive about the improvements the new ones provide. Personally, I would buy them in a heartbeat over the first generation. I'm basing this on the integrity of Andrew Jones and the fact they he is truly passionate about bringing great sound quality and affordability to this line of entry level speakers. If he says the new ones are better, I tend to think he knows what he's talking about.

Are they worth the cost difference? BTW your $520 estimate is a bit high. I just priced them on TigerDirect at $399. I didn't check on shipping or taxes but that makes them a lot more reasonable. The ultimate question for me would be whether or not I will have any regrets later on by buying the older speakers instead of the newer ones? I usually solve this by grabbing the charge card to put out the fire. Either way, you're still going to get a great set of speakers. Good luck and report back:)
Edited by Audio Bob - 9/2/12 at 5:11am
post #2903 of 5313
Hey everyone, I own three c21 centers and pair of bs21. I get a much fuller sound for. The bs21's, I'm not pushing and amp and that could be why, my denon avr391 is only rated at 75wpc, I'm thinking of buying another two pairs of bs21's and running them all the way around. Am I missing something, or doe this seem like a good decision?
post #2904 of 5313
You're thinking of buying two pairs of BS21 instead of using the C21's? Why?

Why not get two more C21's and then have a 5 speaker setup with all C21's?

The C21's have a senstivity of 87db and the B21's are 84db so the C21's will be louder at the same volume level. Plus the C21's are better sounding.
post #2905 of 5313
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Originally Posted by BTTOG View Post

One more entry level question. How to fasten the BS21 onto to the speak stand? use screw to fasten the speaker?
I want to buy the Sanus BF31B1 stand.
Velcro! I have the BS21's fastened to the Sanus EF28B speaker stands with three 6" strips of velcro and they're as good as nailed to those stands.
post #2906 of 5313
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Originally Posted by BTTOG View Post

One more entry level question. How to fasten the BS21 onto to the speak stand? use screw to fasten the speaker?
I want to buy the Sanus BF31B1 stand.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, but... how about gravity? I've used it to hold literally dozens of speakers to their respective stands for decades, and I've never had any issue. When the situation calls for a little extra security, I'll add some cheap little stick-on, non-slip rubber feet. Perhaps I'm not understanding what you're trying to do. Based on your inclination to screw them down, that seems very possible. Are you suspending the speaker and stand from the ceiling? I've seen it done, but you didn't mention that as the goal.
post #2907 of 5313
Blu-Tack is a good removeable option for "sticking" speakers to stands.
http://www.amazon.com/Blu-Tack-Reusable-Adhesive/dp/B001FGLX72/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346781438&sr=8-1&keywords=blu+tack

Like pitviper33, I just use rubber bumpers (adhered to the stand top, not the speakers) and gravity.
post #2908 of 5313
I want to upgrade my VSX 521-k Pioneer receiver I am currently using for my 1St generation set. What receiver do you guys recommend. I want to stay in the 700 range.
post #2909 of 5313
Two part question, is it worth it to buy the SP-B22 line over last years? Are the all the changes positive ones?


Also right now I run the old Polk R30 towers for fronts and rears. Few years back they where the best bang for your buck setup around. My main reason for changing them out is I cant have tower rears anymore with my recent move, just doesn't fit with the room. Was just looking to buy a decent cheap rears till I can save enough for a higher end range of speakers. With all the talk on how good these guys are, how much more would I have to spend to get a noticeable increase in quality? A full set of the new Pios is like what 500 bucks? Would a 2k setup sound $1500 better?

The room is 12ft by 30ft, tv and speakers are on the 12ft wide wall.
post #2910 of 5313
Has anyone ever had problems with their Pioneer speakers, as in, is there a high probability I may need extra warranty other than the 1 year warranty that comes with them becasue I'm not sure how generally reliable and high quality these speakers are?
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