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post #3241 of 5321
Thanks for the informative reply. Well, I hadn't really thought about the weight being a concern, but technically it is only rated for 6 lbs when mounted to a stud. Mine are already mounted to studs and seem more sturdy than that. I was thinking, since I would want it to lean forward anyway, I wouldn't worry about locking the tilt in and just let the bottom of the speaker rest on the wall with a small rubber bumper between the two.
post #3242 of 5321
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Originally Posted by nograveconcern View Post


How much weight is that mount rated for? I don't know if I would hang bs22's from a single 1/4-20 bolt like that.

A single 1/4-20 bolt can take a LOT more than a BS22. ...Like a BS22 with mrmabry himself hanging from it.

The rest of the mount I'm less sure of. It probably wouldn't break, but I could see it slipping and letting the angle get off. As long as you make sure you don't install it in a way that creates too much reaction moment at that ball, it should be just fine.
post #3243 of 5321
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Originally Posted by pitviper33 View Post

A single 1/4-20 bolt can take a LOT more than a BS22. ...Like a BS22 with mrmabry himself hanging from it.
The rest of the mount I'm less sure of. It probably wouldn't break, but I could see it slipping and letting the angle get off. As long as you make sure you don't install it in a way that creates too much reaction moment at that ball, it should be just fine.

I'm not worried about the bolt, but am worried about the mdf tearing out. I think the hurricane nut would give it the best chance but it would be nice if the mount spread the angular load out over a greater area of the back of the cabinet.
post #3244 of 5321
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Originally Posted by nograveconcern View Post

I'm not worried about the bolt, but am worried about the mdf tearing out. I think the hurricane nut would give it the best chance but it would be nice if the mount spread the angular load out over a greater area of the back of the cabinet.
Agreed. Though my gut says it'll be just fine.

There's so much question about speaker mounts in this thread, and some of the creativity I've seen is great. But in many cases, I have to wonder why people don't just install a shelf on the wall. It seems like people get really caught up in overthinking these things. You know what size the speaker is, so it doesn't have to take up any more room than the speaker on its own would. Just cut the shelf to the same size as the base of the speaker, throw a drywall anchor in the wall, set it, and forget it. No modification of the speaker itself necessary. It shouldn't be more work than figuring out how to attach some contraption to your speaker and then attaching that contraption to the wall.
post #3245 of 5321
Like this vvvvv , if you don't have a side wall.
post #3246 of 5321
That's the creativity I was talking about. smile.gif
post #3247 of 5321
Seems like the FS52s are out of stock on Tigerdirect.
post #3248 of 5321
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Originally Posted by genaccmiller View Post

Seems like the FS52s are out of stock on Tigerdirect.

On sale at Best Buy
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+-+5-1/4%26%2334%3B+Floor+Speaker+(Each)/5086937.p?id=1218610014331&skuId=5086937
post #3249 of 5321
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Originally Posted by genaccmiller View Post

Seems like the FS52s are out of stock on Tigerdirect.

Best Buy has them for the same price. I listen to them at Best Buy, and they did not sound too good, but then again it was an open environment and kind of loud as well. The Polk Audios TSi300 sounded better in the same environment.
Edited by GusGus748s - 10/25/12 at 8:22pm
post #3250 of 5321
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Best Buy has them for the same price. I listen to them at Best Buy, and they did not sound too good, but then again it was an open environment and kind of loud as well. The Polk Audios TSi300 sounded better in the same environment.

Take them home and listen in your room. You've got 30 days to return, that way you'll know how they'll sound in your environment which is way more important than in a showroom.
post #3251 of 5321
What kind of speaker wires and connectors do i need to hook this up to a receiver and where is the best place to buy those for cheap? Also is Xeno the only receiver capable of connecting to these 6 ohm speakers. I see some reliability issues posted for denon avr1612 on Amazon. Also it looks like people bought this receiver for $200 in July. It is now selling at $310. I dont want to fork off an extra $110 if the product lricr had gone down. So bSed on all the above, i am looking for alternatives. It is a bit surprising if no other receivers power 6ohm speakers.
post #3252 of 5321
What kind of speaker wire? Copper, stranded, two conductor. Choose gauge based on the length you're running. There are about a million resources online to look that up. If you don't want to look it up or calculate it, 14 gauge is a safe bet and pretty cheap. If it says "speaker wire" on the package, you're paying too much.

What connectors? None. Just strip the insulation off the ends.If you want it to look fancy or care a lot about the convenience of changing your setup around frequently, you can look into bananas. But it won't provide a better connection (arguably a bit worse).

Where to buy speaker wire? I usually choose Home Depot. But any hardware store usually sells bulk wire.

I'm unfamiliar with Xeno receivers. But a quick search for the alternative you mention, a Denon 1612, shows that it's rated for 6 Ohms. You really have nothing to worry about. These speakers aren't particularly difficult loads. Pick whatever receiver you like. It'll tell you when it's running out of steam. And with any normal AVR, you'll have to have it pretty stinking loud before that will happen.
post #3253 of 5321
I so sorry, I meant Denon AVR 1612.
post #3254 of 5321
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Originally Posted by genaccmiller View Post

What kind of speaker wires and connectors do i need to hook this up to a receiver and where is the best place to buy those for cheap? Also is Xeno the only receiver capable of connecting to these 6 ohm speakers. I see some reliability issues posted for denon avr1612 on Amazon. Also it looks like people bought this receiver for $200 in July. It is now selling at $310. I dont want to fork off an extra $110 if the product lricr had gone down. So bSed on all the above, i am looking for alternatives. It is a bit surprising if no other receivers power 6ohm speakers.

What word is that? 'lricr". I cant figure it out?

Pretty much all A/V receivers can handle 6 ohm speakers. Anything from major mfrs like Pioneer, Yamaha, Onkyo, Harman Kardon, Marantz, Denon, etc will do the trick. I use 6 ohm speakers with my Denon AVR 591 which has the same power as the AVR 1612.

When I tested those Pioneer speakers a couple years ago they were being run with an entry level Yamaha receiver. I played them loud in the store for about 30 minutes and had no problems.

I wouldnt' pay $310 for a new AVR 1612 but I'd pay $189 for a refurb.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1612/DENON-AVR-1612-5.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html

If you want a receiver with networking,streaming and airplay get the 1613
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1613/DENON-AVR-1613-5.1ch-Networking-Receiver-w/AirPlay-3D-ready/1.html

Best place to buy quality speaker wire and connectors for cheap is monoprice.com. I like 14ga speaker wire but 16ga is okay too. Buy 100ft and cut to whatever lengths you need.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023902&p_id=2820&seq=1&format=2
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023903&p_id=2793&seq=1&format=2
Edited by afrogt - 10/27/12 at 9:06am
post #3255 of 5321
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Originally Posted by genaccmiller View Post

What kind of speaker wires and connectors do i need to hook this up to a receiver and where is the best place to buy those for cheap? Also is Xeno the only receiver capable of connecting to these 6 ohm speakers. I see some reliability issues posted for denon avr1612 on Amazon. Also it looks like people bought this receiver for $200 in July. It is now selling at $310. I dont want to fork off an extra $110 if the product lricr had gone down. So bSed on all the above, i am looking for alternatives. It is a bit surprising if no other receivers power 6ohm speakers.

I used these plugs, make a nice finished looking system (this is the lowest price you will find) : http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10401&cs_id=1040115&p_id=2801&seq=1&format=2

Wire: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023902&p_id=2791&seq=1&format=2

Reusable Wire Ties (they stick to carpet also) : http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10520&cs_id=1052003&p_id=6476&seq=1&format=2
post #3256 of 5321
I've been to Best Buy three times to listen to these towers & center. I prefer them every time over the Klipsch & Polks. Here's my concern: My living room is just over 3,000 cf, which is completely open to the kitchen & dining room directly behind the listening/viewing position. The total area here is just over 6,000 cf.

I'm worried the center having 4" mids will not be enough to fill this large of an area with any authority. Is this a legitimate concern? If you were in this position would you opt out for a larger sized center & towers? But they're so cheap right now!
post #3257 of 5321
Series 1 has 5.25" woofers
post #3258 of 5321
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

Series 1 has 5.25" woofers

Yes, I know, but I'd like the grills to match.
post #3259 of 5321
That's what the 30 day return policy is for. Take them home and try em out. If you feel they are inadequate then take them back and get a refund....
post #3260 of 5321
Well, my kids messed up one of my stands. So, now it doesn't stand straight 100%. So, now I am contemplating the 52's towers again, but I am torn in between the Monitor50 with a SC2 center channel. Or should I go with the 52's with a 22 center channel. I will be buying a new sub later.


Best buy do not have any of the monitor speakers available. Has anyone been able to listen the Pioneers 52 and 22? and how do they compare with the Polk monitor 50 and SC2 center channel?
post #3261 of 5321
A question on Receivers. I am comparing the AVR 1612 vs. AVR 1613 to power the F52s. I found on Amazon the following specs.

1. AVR 1612 - Discrete Power Amps rated at 75 watts each
2. AVR 1613 - Fully discrete power amplifiers for all 5 channels (120 W x 5 ch, 6ohm 1kHz 0.7%). Delivers the legendary sound quality you've come to expect from Denon. (75W x 5 ch, 8ohm 20-20kHz 0.08%).

The F52s have 130 Watts. Does the above mean that the AVR1613 is a better fit for these speakers given the additional Wattage output?
post #3262 of 5321
They're both 75 watts each. My Denon AVR 591 says 120W x 5, 6 ohm, 1khz on the box too but that's a useless rating because nobody listens to a one frequency. My specs also list 75 watts x 5.

Here are the specs for the 1613 from Denon's website. It's says 75 watts.
http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=avreceivers(denonna)&PId=avr1613(denonna)

The Denon 1612, 1613 and my 591 all have the same power, 75 watts per channel, 20hz - 20khz, 0.08 THD. Ignore a 1khz rating.

75 W x 5 (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, THD 0.08 %)
120 W x 5 (6 ohms, 1 kHz, THD 0.7%)
post #3263 of 5321
75W for a 130W speaker sounds less, don't you think? Also while buying refurbished stuff from Accessories for less, does it make sense investing in the extended Warranty?
post #3264 of 5321
Another receiver option seems to be Yamaha RXV373BL,
post #3265 of 5321
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Originally Posted by genaccmiller View Post

The F52s have 130 Watts. Does the above mean that the AVR1613 is a better fit for these speakers given the additional Wattage output?
The FS52s don't "have" any Watts. Speakers (at least speakers like these) are passive devices. They don't make any power. They dissipate power given to them from the amplifier.

That may sound like a trivial semantic argument, but it's actually an important distinction to understand. Theoretically, the speaker's power rating tells you the maximum power that the speaker could continuously dissipate without overheating and cooking itself. Do you need an amplifier capable of taking the drivers to the verge of melting to enjoy the speakers? Of course you don't. So the power rating of the speakers is mostly meaningless to you and almost everyone else on this forum. Consider the fact that speaker manufacturers are notoriously inconsistent in the way they calculate that maximum, and the number quickly loses the tiny bit of meaning it had left.

If you really want to use numbers to figure out how much amplifier power you need, you're using the wrong numbers. You should instead be using the speaker's sensitivity rating and a calculator like this:
myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.htm

What you'll find, if you decide to start calculating power needs, is that a little more power doesn't buy you much. And the tiny differences in quoted power from the receivers available are basically inconsequential. So again the end result is: buy whichever amplifier you want. Any of them will do just fine.
post #3266 of 5321
Best buy has the TSI series which should sound and behave exactly like the monitor series. This should give you a sense for the sound of polk.
post #3267 of 5321
What type of banana plug can be used with these speakers? I've been looking at the back of mine and I cant figure out what to us (I've never used banana plugs before btw). I'd like to make this set-up extremely clean if possible.
post #3268 of 5321
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Originally Posted by genaccmiller View Post

75W for a 130W speaker sounds less, don't you think? Also while buying refurbished stuff from Accessories for less, does it make sense investing in the extended Warranty?

The max power ratings for my bedroom speakers are 175 for the fronts and 250 for the center. I use a 75 watt Denon with them and they work just fine. You don't need to max out the power handling capacity of your speakers.

I can only listen to things so loud.

I don't believe in extended warranties. If it will give you piece of mind then go ahead. I've got a 7 year old Onkyo 6 disc carousel player from AC4Less and its still going strong. The one year warranty was plenty.
post #3269 of 5321
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Originally Posted by Shizzlenits View Post

What type of banana plug can be used with these speakers? I've been looking at the back of mine and I cant figure out what to us (I've never used banana plugs before btw). I'd like to make this set-up extremely clean if possible.

Single or dual bananas will work fine. I bought duals from Monoprice and the spacing is correct.

On the speaker, you have to unscrew the binding post cover, then pop the little plastic red and black cap off, then put the binding post cover back on. No tools required.

Brian
post #3270 of 5321
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Originally Posted by Walkamo View Post

Just wanted to let you know that a full review of the new AJ speakers will appear in the November issue of Home Theater Magazine and The Absolute Sound....
They should hit the news stand soon....
Also, you can find CNET's review at the below link..
http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-speaker-systems/pioneer-sp-pk52fs/4505-7868_7-35477425.html?autoplay=true
Thanks,
Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics

Does anyone know if these reviews were ever released?
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