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post #3601 of 5378
This pricing was also their in-store price. Online was regular pricing. You can price match everything but the towers though to maintain that pricing.
post #3602 of 5378
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Originally Posted by Fahrenheit85 View Post

Thanks, just found these http://www.standsandmounts.com/sanusspeakerwallmountsforlargerbookshelfspeakersblackwms-2.aspx says 15lbs weight capacity and pio has the speaker weight at 9.something LBS. Whats great about these is they clamp front to back. Looks like it will work perfect for me.
I just got the Sanus WMS2 wall mount. The wall mount that attaches to the wall comes with 4 holes to screw into the wall. How many bolts should I screw into the wall mount for Pioneer SP-BS41-LR (7.9" x 13.8" x 8.7" (W x H x D) / 10.25 lbs.) and Pioneer SP-BS21-LR (7.1" x 12.6" x 8.1" (W x H x D) / 8.4 lbs.)?
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I just want to share my experience with the Pioneer AJ products.

I have been shopping around for a while for a good sub to pair up with my Polk Audio A5's for when I listen to two channel stereo. I didnt want to spend a lot. I knew I wanted a 8". On the high end of the price scale I was looking at a Polk Audio dsw440. I really wanted the Polk psw111. I could grab a 111 for just under a $100 through work. (I work at best buy) On paper it sounded good. It had a good bit of power in nice compact 8". In person it was another story. More on that in a minute.

Lately everywhere I turn I see rave reviews for the new Pioneer AJ design series. We sell them at work but the previous models where nothing impressive. But after seeing another positive review on the bookshelves in the "Absolute Sound" magazine I figured it was time to give them a good testing. I spent quite a bit of time throughout the day connecting my phone and playing various types of music. Some of what I played was Alice in Chains unplugged, Blue Man Group, Moby, and Some crazy bass song my buddy had.

We put the Pioneer sub up against every sub we had. Klipsch 10" 450 Kilpsch 8" 350, PSW110, PSW111, Psw10. We set the speakers to the same XO point and a similar volume level. It was played through a Yamaha avr in to a speaker switcher. The three of us employees agreed that the Pioneer was by far the smoothest, of all the subs. It didnt hit with the same force as the 12" kilpsch but it didnt have anywhere near the boomyness. It was literally bouncing off the floor on hard bass hits but it never got boomy or had way over the top port noise.

Then I compared it to the PSW111 which is what I was really interested in. We did this test using our subwoofer switch. I compared with TSI100's playing, and with no speakers other then the subs playing. I tried different crossover points, different volume levels. No matter what I did the Pioneer was clearly a superior sound speaker. It was always smooth. When I say smooth I mean liquid smooth. It was like a silk sheet of bass. So pleasurable to listen to. I tried to make it fail. I turned off the main speakers and played just the sub. I took the avr to the max vol level and it still would not bottom out or distort. The 111 was nothing but a distorted boomy mess. all you heard was the woofer bottoming out. I only got the Pioneer to sound boomy when I maxed out the XO.

I am still baffled at this outcome. I wanted the PSW to be better so badly. I dont understand how a lower power, 1/2 the price, and very much a budget sub could sound so good. Regardless I bought two and price matched Newegg at 79.99.

Now that I have them at home and adjusted into my system I could not be happier. My configuration is a little odd but I will explain the setup. I have somewhat of a hybrid 2ch/HT setup. I have a Pioneer Elite VSX32 and my avr feeding a Carver C-1 Preamp via preouts. The C-1 then feeds a Carver M1.0t. I like the sound that the C-1 adds as well as it allows me to run my turntable and cd player with out having to go through the Pioneer. Anyway, The C-1 has two sets of outputs, one set goes to my M1.0t the other set is run to each of the Pioneer subs. One on the left and one on the right. They are sent full range so I can adjust the crossover so that I can blend them with the mains. Works great for 2 channel and when I watch movies. Since they are not on a lfe channel they work very nicely with my dsw600 which is on the lfe channel.

On to the sound. They are just so smooth, its the feature of them that I like the most. Its like liquid bass flows out of them. For the price I could not ask for anymore. I have them set at 50% volume and about 60hz. One thing I did that really improved the detail and accuracy of the bass was to put a 12" tile under them. Carpet tends to muddy the bass quite a bit. I demo'd this for a coworker at work and since then him and another coworker purchased one. Both of them have nothing but great things to say about them.
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Hi, Can anyone tell me which speakers match the SP-C22 ($99)? I love the sound in that speaker better than the higher priced Klipsch and Polk.
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Originally Posted by likemovies View Post

Hi, Can anyone tell me which speakers match the SP-C22 ($99)? I love the sound in that speaker better than the higher priced Klipsch and Polk.

The FS52s or BS22s
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Originally Posted by josh22 View Post

The FS52s or BS22s

Do you know if they would be good for a lxwxh 22x14x8 (2646 vol.) room?
post #3607 of 5378
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Originally Posted by likemovies View Post

Do you know if they would be good for a lxwxh 22x14x8 (2646 vol.) room?

I plan on putting them in a 22x17x8 room so I sure hope so!

Having said that, I do not know because I do not own them. However, based upon my research I think they will be just fine with an upgraded sub to fill the room a little better for HT. I plan to use the FS52s for my fronts and the BS-22s for my surrounds.
post #3608 of 5378
Why did they make them 6 ohms instead of 8 ohms? I have old KLH 8 ohms that i used for sides and they were louder whenever i used multichannel. I replaced them with BS22s and now it sounds more balanced and i dont have to turn up the receiver as much to get more volume.
post #3609 of 5378
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Originally Posted by josh22 View Post

I plan on putting them in a 22x17x8 room so I sure hope so!
Having said that, I do not know because I do not own them. However, based upon my research I think they will be just fine with an upgraded sub to fill the room a little better for HT. I plan to use the FS52s for my fronts and the BS-22s for my surrounds.

Are these the same speakers just one is bookshelf and one is floor standing?
post #3610 of 5378
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Originally Posted by likemovies View Post

Are these the same speakers just one is bookshelf and one is floor standing?

No, they are not the same.
post #3611 of 5378
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Originally Posted by josh22 View Post

No, they are not the same.

Do you know if Amazon is the best place to buy them? I can't find them local at those prices. $69 at Amazon, $99 at Best Buy.
post #3612 of 5378
Best buy will price match amazons price. You can print it out or even show them the ad on your phone at the cash register. $69 for which speaker?
post #3613 of 5378
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Originally Posted by Zophael View Post

Best buy will price match amazons price. You can print it out or even show them the ad on your phone at the cash register. $69 for which speaker?

SP-C22. The floor speakers are $99.

And thanks for your help.
post #3614 of 5378
Those are both great prices. Check tigerdirect and Newegg because sometimes they are a few bucks cheaper. Best Buy will match them as well. You're going to love those speakers. I bought them but I got a HSU sub instead of the matching pioneer because I wanted more bass. I've heard really great things about the pioneer sub as well though.
post #3615 of 5378
Why do the bookshelf pioneers cost more than the floor standing? Just "price of the day"?
post #3616 of 5378
The bookshelf speakers are priced as pairs. The floor standing speakers are priced as individuals.
post #3617 of 5378
Just saw fs52 on amazon for $99.
post #3618 of 5378
This morning I looked on Amazon for the FS51's and found two sellers :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004H1M4NO/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all

They have got to be kidding !
post #3619 of 5378
Wow, $2K for FS-51's. What a deal!
post #3620 of 5378
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Wow, $2K for FS-51's. What a deal!

I have no idea how they get away with this stuff.
post #3621 of 5378
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

Just saw fs52 on amazon for $99.

amazon price in cart is $99.99

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS52-LR-Designed-standing-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2S4/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1356665292&sr=1-1&keywords=Pioneer+SP-FS52

I paid more than this for the 51's from newegg.
post #3622 of 5378
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Originally Posted by COMPUTIAC View Post

amazon price in cart is $99.99
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS52-LR-Designed-standing-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2S4/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1356665292&sr=1-1&keywords=Pioneer+SP-FS52
I paid more than this for the 51's from newegg.

The Amazon price is $99 each for the FS-52. The FS-51's were $129/pr or lower last time I saw them on Newegg.
post #3623 of 5378
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Originally Posted by COMPUTIAC View Post

I have no idea how they get away with this stuff.

Amazon Marketplace is just the Amazon version of Ebay. You can charge whatever you want there, just like on Ebay. Who cares, "how they get away with this stuff"? It's not going to sell at those prices anyway. Who knows, maybe the seller is too busy or on vacation and isn't available to fill potential orders so temporarily throwing up a ridiculously high price can be a tactic to discourage a purchase.
post #3624 of 5378
So, it is a smart business practice to post a ridiculously high price to discourage making a sale.

OK, now I get it !
post #3625 of 5378
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If you're otherwise unavailable to complete the sale at the moment, then yes, it would be a "smart business practice".
post #3626 of 5378
Which would be a better start for a HT system? Two 52s or 2 22s for the front and 2 21s rear?
post #3627 of 5378
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Originally Posted by NewToHT9 View Post

Which would be a better start for a HT system? Two 52s or 2 22s for the front and 2 21s rear?

52's for front.
post #3628 of 5378
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Originally Posted by NewToHT9 View Post

Which would be a better start for a HT system? Two 52s or 2 22s for the front and 2 21s rear?

The 52s, not even close
post #3629 of 5378
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

The 52s, not even close

Can you explain please ?
post #3630 of 5378
Thank you fellas.
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