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post #3631 of 5375
Pioneers FS52's are on sale for $100 at amazon.com. Remember Best Buy will price match online prices too!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008NCD2S4
post #3632 of 5375
No explanation needed, look at the specs, driver sizes, and number of drivers. In some cases, bigger is definitely better, imo
post #3633 of 5375
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

No explanation needed, look at the specs, driver sizes, and number of drivers. In some cases, bigger is definitely better, imo

Thank's, I was hoping that is what you meant , and I agree 100%
post #3634 of 5375
Just picked up two fs52 for 200 and the cc for 69 from best buy today. God I love price matching. Can't wait yo hook these bad boys up.

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post #3635 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Kingpin32 View Post

Just picked up two fs52 for 200 and the cc for 69 from best buy today. God I love price matching. Can't wait yo hook these bad boys up.
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You might want to also get the BS 22"s for the sides, they match and to my ear, improve the overall balance and blending of the sound over say using mismatched sides. I originallyt used old KLH 8ohm side speakers and they sound ok, but the BS 22's sounded much better. I really noticed the difference between 6 ohm and 8 ohm when i used multichannel.
post #3636 of 5375
You might want to also get the BS 22"s for the sides, they match and to my ear, improve the overall balance and blending of the sound over say using mismatched sides. I originallyt used old KLH 8ohm side speakers and they sound ok, but the BS 22's sounded much better. I really noticed the difference between 6 ohm and 8 ohm when i used multichannel.[/quote]

Yeah I plan on buying those in the near future. Right now I'm using my old Yamaha htib speakers for surrounds with an 8" sub. That will probably be my next upgrade.
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post #3637 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

You might want to also get the BS 22"s for the sides, they match and to my ear, improve the overall balance and blending of the sound over say using mismatched sides. I originallyt used old KLH 8ohm side speakers and they sound ok, but the BS 22's sounded much better. I really noticed the difference between 6 ohm and 8 ohm when i used multichannel.

For watching movies the surround / surround back only play background sound so it won't be much difference. However, playing music is a different matter.
post #3638 of 5375

I'v been looking to buy a set of pioneer book shelves.

Model #SP-BS41-LR and their matching center speaker. 

 

Before i do buy them, i have a quick question. They're rated at 6 ohms, and i have a pair of sony speakers for sides surrounds which are at 8ohms. Should i set the receiver at 6ohms? or it won't matter if i run them 8ohms?. 

 

Thanks!

post #3639 of 5375
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Originally Posted by DDigitalGuy05 View Post

I'v been looking to buy a set of pioneer book shelves.
Model #SP-BS41-LR and their matching center speaker. 

Before i do buy them, i have a quick question. They're rated at 6 ohms, and i have a pair of sony speakers for sides surrounds which are at 8ohms. Should i set the receiver at 6ohms? or it won't matter if i run them 8ohms?. 

Thanks!

It won't matter. I've got 4 speakers (surround / surround back), which are rated at 6 ohms, my front 3 are rated at 8 ohms, and my receiver is at 8 ohms. However, you can test it out and see if you notice a difference. I know some AVRs provided higher wattage at 6 ohms, but this varies on the number of speakers being used.
post #3640 of 5375
awesome!. thanks so much. i currently own some hsu horn speakers but lately been wanting some dome tweeters. have a a great new year. smile.gif
post #3641 of 5375
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Originally Posted by DDigitalGuy05 View Post

awesome!. thanks so much. i currently own some hsu horn speakers but lately been wanting some dome tweeters. have a a great new year. smile.gif
What are you going to do with your HSU speakers?
post #3642 of 5375
@GusGus748s probably put them in storage, for back up. smile.gif or find a way to mount them as rears.
post #3643 of 5375
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Originally Posted by DDigitalGuy05 View Post

@GusGus748s probably put them in storage, for back up. smile.gif or find a way to mount them as rears.

I thought you were going to sell them hehehe biggrin.gif
post #3644 of 5375
Is there a good center channel that matches the fs52 towers. The pioneer sits pretty high up. Looking for something a bit more low profile

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post #3645 of 5375
Question regarding receiver choice. Just picked up a pair of SP-FS52 towers and eventually plan to pick up the matching center channel and a sub for a 3.1 setup. A new receiver was also needed and we found a great price on a Marantz 1402 from BB. $200 on clearance. The receiver does output in 6ohm to match the pioneers towers however a closer look at the specs shows it outputs 75w at 6 Ω, 1 kHz with 10 % T.H.D. which seems to be terrible. We dont plan to push the speakers anywhere near reference level if that matters. It would be a shame since it fits all of our needs, slim size/discrete amp/multieq/good price/3yr warranty. So should we return it and keep looking?
post #3646 of 5375
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Originally Posted by l3ftonm3 View Post

Question regarding receiver choice. Just picked up a pair of SP-FS52 towers and eventually plan to pick up the matching center channel and a sub for a 3.1 setup. A new receiver was also needed and we found a great price on a Marantz 1402 from BB. $200 on clearance. The receiver does output in 6ohm to match the pioneers towers however a closer look at the specs shows it outputs 75w at 6 Ω, 1 kHz with 10 % T.H.D. which seems to be terrible. We dont plan to push the speakers anywhere near reference level if that matters. It would be a shame since it fits all of our needs, slim size/discrete amp/multieq/good price/3yr warranty. So should we return it and keep looking?

If you don't want to spend too much on a receiver, I would recommend the Pioneer VSX-1022, which is $250 at newegg.com, and best buy will price match. It is a 7.1 system, but it will be fine with a 5.1 system. Also, I do not recommend the Pioneer sub. Get something better if you can afford it at least BIC F12 for $200.
post #3647 of 5375
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Originally Posted by l3ftonm3 View Post

Question regarding receiver choice. Just picked up a pair of SP-FS52 towers and eventually plan to pick up the matching center channel and a sub for a 3.1 setup. A new receiver was also needed and we found a great price on a Marantz 1402 from BB. $200 on clearance. The receiver does output in 6ohm to match the pioneers towers however a closer look at the specs shows it outputs 75w at 6 Ω, 1 kHz with 10 % T.H.D. which seems to be terrible. We dont plan to push the speakers anywhere near reference level if that matters. It would be a shame since it fits all of our needs, slim size/discrete amp/multieq/good price/3yr warranty. So should we return it and keep looking?

"50 watts per channel into 8 ohms (20-20,000 Hz) at 0.08% THD, with 2 channels driven"

It should be fine. You will probably still have around 60w/ channel at 6 ohm before thd gets high. Take it home and see if it fits your needs. If it does then don't worry about it, otherwise return it.

I like that slim profile too.
post #3648 of 5375
Alright we will try it out. My biggest concern was the distortion level at 6ohm, but since we wont be pushing them hard and only using 3 of 5 channels hopefully it will work out.

As for the sub gusgus748s we were going to skip the panasonic sub. Looking at the Outlaw M8 or if the budget allows the HSU STF-2.
post #3649 of 5375
I thought some of you might be interested in this thread from the Parts-Express tech forum. Its about the dissection and modding of the SP-BS21-LR speaker. Interesting stuff and you can see it completely disassembled.

http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?232582-Pioneer-SP-BS21-LR-measured-deconstructed-modded
post #3650 of 5375
I've read that the difference between the BS21’s and the BS22’s is negligible, but has anyone compared the FS51’s to the FS52’s? Thanks.
post #3651 of 5375
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Originally Posted by l3ftonm3 View Post

Question regarding receiver choice. Just picked up a pair of SP-FS52 towers and eventually plan to pick up the matching center channel and a sub for a 3.1 setup. A new receiver was also needed and we found a great price on a Marantz 1402 from BB. $200 on clearance. The receiver does output in 6ohm to match the pioneers towers however a closer look at the specs shows it outputs 75w at 6 Ω, 1 kHz with 10 % T.H.D. which seems to be terrible. We dont plan to push the speakers anywhere near reference level if that matters. It would be a shame since it fits all of our needs, slim size/discrete amp/multieq/good price/3yr warranty. So should we return it and keep looking?

Most of the receivers I considered, had higher rated THD numbers for 6 ohm speakers, compared to 8 ohm speakers. In some cases quite a bit higher - as you have noted with that 10% figure. I would be a bit concerned with that high number. Not sure why, but the 6 ohm specs are in most cases a lot worse in terms of THD. For example, here are the specs on my Denon AVR-1712:

90 watts per channel (20Hz-20kHz, 8 ohms, .08% THD), 125 watts per channel (1kHz, 6 ohms, 0.7% THD)

Notice at 8 ohms, the THD is very low through the entire human audible specturum. On the other hand, the 6 ohm measure is only taken at one point in the spectrum, and that is sometimes done because the THD is actually higher at other points.

If owners look at their receiver specs, most will find similar differences in specs between the two ohm ratings. I picked the Denon, because the features and price was right, but also because that .7% THD was lower than some of the other receivers having as high as 10% THD with 6 ohm speakers. Isn't 10% where humans should be able to hear the distortion? At least with my Denon and three Pioneer C21 speakers as L/C/R, I don't hear any particular issues in terms of distortion, other than what is contained in some of my bad source material, lol.
post #3652 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

I've read that the difference between the BS21’s and the BS22’s is negligible,

Not for me, I have owned both and the differences are clear to me.
Also, the BS22 has a lower -3 db bass point, over the bigger BS41.

However, to each their own.smile.gif

Also a nice review here
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/speaker-reviews/64436-pioneer-andrew-jones-5-1-speaker-system-review.html#axzz2H3y6zCyd
post #3653 of 5375
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

Not for me, I have owned both and the differences are clear to me.
Also, the BS22 has a lower -3 db bass point, over the bigger BS41.
However, to each their own.smile.gif
Good to know. But I'm mostly interested in what kind of noticeable improvements the FS52’s offer over the FS51’s. I feel like 2.1 music listening could stand to be improved a little in the 51’s, so I'm curious if the 52’s accomplish that. I realize I'd have to replace the entire 5.0 setup for timber matching, of course.
post #3654 of 5375
BestBuy currently has the Pioneer SP-BS22-LRs on sale for $89.99. Picked up a pair today based on the reviews and information found on this thread. Yet to hook them up, looking for a good pair of stands before hooking them up.
post #3655 of 5375
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Originally Posted by yash View Post

Yet to hook them up, looking for a good pair of stands before hooking them up.
I used these for my BS21's, with Velcro strips on the bottom of the speakers to fasten them to the plates of the stands:

http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-Systems-EF-28B-Foundations-Bookshelf/dp/B00009WE10/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357509109&sr=1-1&keywords=Sanus+systems+EF-28
post #3656 of 5375
I have both BS21's and BS41's and I use these stands:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006JQ5N/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00
post #3657 of 5375
Just got the SW-8 sub, have it connected for two days now.
Believe it or not, once it was wired in there was a big difference in overall volume compared to my normal settings, had to turn down the volume.


It has a switch on the back for phase, 0 or 180. Tried it in both positions and can't tell the difference. Anyone have any insight on what the position should be and if there should be a noticeable difference ?

Should I run the MCACC again ?
post #3658 of 5375
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Originally Posted by COMPUTIAC View Post

It has a switch on the back for phase, 0 or 180. Tried it in both positions and can't tell the difference. Anyone have any insight on what the position should be and if there should be a noticeable difference ?
Should I run the MCACC again ?

Generally, if your subwoofer is in your front soundstage, you leave the phase at 0. Plus, MCACC will make phase corrections. So leave it at 0 and rerun MCACC.
post #3659 of 5375
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Generally, if your subwoofer is in your front soundstage, you leave the phase at 0. Plus, MCACC will make phase corrections. So leave it at 0 and rerun MCACC.

Thank's for the quick reply.
One thing I always wonder about is, what volume level should I use when running the MCACC set-up ? Should it be normal setting (-35db) or higher or lower ?
I have a vsx-1021-k receiver.
post #3660 of 5375
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Originally Posted by COMPUTIAC View Post

Thank's for the quick reply.
One thing I always wonder about is, what volume level should I use when running the MCACC set-up ? Should it be normal setting (-35db) or higher or lower ?
I have a vsx-1021-k receiver.

If MCACC works like Audyssey does then it doesn't matter if the volume is at max or min. The AVR will play its own volume. If for some reason or another the AVR cannot detect the sound, then it will increase the volume by itself.
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