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post #3661 of 5339
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

If MCACC works like Audyssey does then it doesn't matter if the volume is at max or min. The AVR will play its own volume. If for some reason or another the AVR cannot detect the sound, then it will increase the volume by itself.

OK, thank's for the reply.
Will run it.
post #3662 of 5339
Anyone have experience with ear ringing after listening to their pioneers at normal volume? Is ear ringing a sign of eat fatigue or possibly the tweeters aimed toward the listener?
post #3663 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

I used these for my BS21's, with Velcro strips on the bottom of the speakers to fasten them to the plates of the stands:
http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-Systems-EF-28B-Foundations-Bookshelf/dp/B00009WE10/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357509109&sr=1-1&keywords=Sanus+systems+EF-28

Thanks for the suggestion. That seems to be the height that I would need and it also looks quite sturdy.
post #3664 of 5339
Suggestions please... Just recently got the fs52's looking to add some bookshelf speakers to go with. Should I go with the 22s or the 41s? Newegg has the 41s as an open box special right now that is a little cheaper than the 22s. Would the 41s be better to go with than the 22s or should I stick with all 2nd generation speakers? Anyone heard if the 41s will be replaced with 42s?
post #3665 of 5339
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Originally Posted by NewToHT9 View Post

Suggestions please... Just recently got the fs52's looking to add some bookshelf speakers to go with. Should I go with the 22s or the 41s? Newegg has the 41s as an open box special right now that is a little cheaper than the 22s. Would the 41s be better to go with than the 22s or should I stick with all 2nd generation speakers? Anyone heard if the 41s will be replaced with 42s?

Can't answer your question on the BS 42's, if they are available at all. I did look on the Pioneer site and they were not listed.

Here: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Home+Theater+Speakers

I have the first gen. of the great speakers. FS 51's, C 21, BS 21's, BS 41's and just added the SW 8, which in my opinion is a big improvement over the Martin Logan 8" SW I was using.
post #3666 of 5339
Sold out.
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Originally Posted by NewToHT9 View Post

Suggestions please... Just recently got the fs52's looking to add some bookshelf speakers to go with. Should I go with the 22s or the 41s? Newegg has the 41s as an open box special right now that is a little cheaper than the 22s. Would the 41s be better to go with than the 22s or should I stick with all 2nd generation speakers? Anyone heard if the 41s will be replaced with 42s?
post #3667 of 5339
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Originally Posted by c_nitty View Post

Sold out.

Wow, that quick.
post #3668 of 5339
I would stick with the 22's anyway. There has been no talk of a 42 that I know of.
post #3669 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

Anyone have experience with ear ringing after listening to their pioneers at normal volume? Is ear ringing a sign of eat fatigue or possibly the tweeters aimed toward the listener?

Are the Pioneers your first loudspeaker set? If not, did you experience ear-ringing with your previous speakers? Could it be you might have an ear infection? Since the tweeters are meant to be aimed at the listener's ear, this would not be the cause of ear-ringing from normal use.

How long do you listen to them before noticing ringing?
post #3670 of 5339
I had old klhs for a week or so and then got the Pioneers. Didn't notice the ringing until the pioneers, seems to start as soon as I turn them on. Also have a 12" sub. I've been keeping them at low level. Don't think I have an ear infection.
post #3671 of 5339
Right now, I am using the Pioneer FS51.

I find the Infinity P363 is on sale with a very reasonable price.

Do you think it will be an obvious improvement? or are these two speakers are in the same level?

Thanks!
post #3672 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Teletodd View Post

I had old klhs for a week or so and then got the Pioneers. Didn't notice the ringing until the pioneers, seems to start as soon as I turn them on. Also have a 12" sub. I've been keeping them at low level. Don't think I have an ear infection.

Does anyone else hear it? May have a bad tweeter.
post #3673 of 5339
Looking to get a AVR to go with my Pioneer setup and I was wondering what other people were using to drive these speakers?
post #3674 of 5339
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Originally Posted by NewToHT9 View Post

Looking to get a AVR to go with my Pioneer setup and I was wondering what other people were using to drive these speakers?

Any moderately priced AVR ought to do a decent job driving them, not necessarily to eardrum-destroying volume levels of course. My brother-in-law set his up over Christmas with a Denon 2113ci and I enjoyed a movie there very much.
post #3675 of 5339
I have a Pioneer VSX-1021-K.
Also have all the first gen. speakers set-up to 7.1, power to spare.
post #3676 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

...has anyone compared the FS51’s to the FS52’s? Thanks.
Anyone? Thanks again.
post #3677 of 5339
BestBuy has the BS22's for $84.99 pair.
post #3678 of 5339
I'm considering the 22's vs. the 41's and was wondering what folks thought? I'm currently running a set of BIC DV-62si's for front L/R and an original DV-62CLRS for my center (no rears currently), which is huge compared to centers I see today. My main reason for looking at them quite simply, I'm currently "downsizing" and will shortly be relocating to a much smaller place and won't need big speakers - the majority of the time, the system is used for movies/surround sound, but I do like to listen to music (all varieties), albeit at substantially less than "make your ears bleed" levels these days.

Being from the "old school" I can't imagine a 4" driver performing equally, let alone better than, a 5.25" driver. Thoughts? It's too bad they can't both be auditioned together. Although I do understand that driver technology advances have been substantial in the last 15 years plus.

Right now I'm driving the BIC's with an older Sony DB930, which I'm also planning on replacing in the very near future (and planning to go with the "less is more" philosophy there as well).

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
post #3679 of 5339
What do you guys, or have any of you compared this pioneer line vs the Boston acoustic vr line of speakers? I have owned for about seven years a set of vr2 mains a vr920 center and a set of vrm50s for my rears with a velodyne dls5000 subwoofer. I'm not disappointed in the Bostons but would like to try something affordable with similar or better sound quality. I'm using a denon avr4311 receiver. Thanks in advance for your recommendations.
post #3680 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Halfbreedinkc View Post

I'm considering the 22's vs. the 41's
Being from the "old school" I can't imagine a 4" driver performing equally, let alone better than, a 5.25" driver. Thoughts? It's too bad they can't both be auditioned together. Although I do understand that driver technology advances have been substantial in the last 15 years plus.

The 4 inch BS22 is -3db at 63 hz, and is lower than the bigger BS41 speaker - the BS22 is not a wimp
and can get loud in a large room for me - and can handle some power. > They are also smooth, clean
and clear sounding with good detail, and will not make your ears bleed.
post #3681 of 5339
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

The 4 inch BS22 is -3db at 63 hz, and is lower than the bigger BS41 speaker - the BS22 is not a wimp
and can get loud in a large room for me - and can handle some power. > They are also smooth, clean
and clear sounding with good detail, and will not make your ears bleed.

Thanks for the reply, and I should take into consideration that Energy system that got/gets rave reviews - if memory serves the drivers in those are only 3"-3.5"...like I said, driver technology has made some major advancements in the recent past. Since the 41's are becoming scarce, I think I', going with the 22's (already have an old Velodyne sub that sees use only with movies, so base isn't an issue).

I think I'll put the BIC's up for sale and pull the trigger on these.
post #3682 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Halfbreedinkc View Post

Thanks for the reply, and I should take into consideration that Energy system that got/gets rave reviews - if memory serves the drivers in those are only 3"-3.5"...like I said, driver technology has made some major advancements in the recent past. Since the 41's are becoming scarce, I think I', going with the 22's (already have an old Velodyne sub that sees use only with movies, so base isn't an issue).

I think I'll put the BIC's up for sale and pull the trigger on these.

I added the Pioneer SP-FS52-LR tower's to a Energy Take 5 Classic system with a Bic America F12 sub, powered by a Pioneer VSX-1021K. I am using the Energy FL and FR and "high" speakers in a 7.1 setup.

If you listen to music, the Pioneer's are a must as the Energy's really can't handle most heavy music.
post #3683 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Halfbreedinkc View Post

I think I'll put the BIC's up for sale and pull the trigger on these.
Where are you located? I might be interested in the BIC bookshelfs you have.
post #3684 of 5339
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Originally Posted by miker104 View Post

What do you guys, or have any of you compared this pioneer line vs the Boston acoustic vr line of speakers? I have owned for about seven years a set of vr2 mains a vr920 center and a set of vrm50s for my rears with a velodyne dls5000 subwoofer. I'm not disappointed in the Bostons but would like to try something affordable with similar or better sound quality. I'm using a denon avr4311 receiver. Thanks in advance for your recommendations.

Mike: I currently have a pair of VR-M60s in one room and first generation Pioneers in another. I've never played them in the same room or with the same source, equalization, and amplification, so take my impressions for what they're worth. (read: not a whole lot.)

The Bostons advantages are noticeable in the upper couple of octaves. I always find sound differences hard to put into words, but the Boston speakers sound more natural and real with high frequency sounds. Enough so to be easily noticeable. They're also more sensitive and look much nicer.

The biggest single advantage I give to the Pioneers is their off axis performance. Walking around the room while they're working never disrupts the sound. The same can definitely not be said for the Bostons. Obviously their price is also a great advantage. I understand the second generation has a refined tweeter, so the difference in the upper range is likely affected.

I can't very well compare the low bass performance, as I've always used the Pioneers with a subwoofer. If you're using them with a subwoofer too, then you probably don't care either. The lower sensitivity may drive you to a higher crossover point anyway. If you utilize a fairly wide seating area like mine, I think you'll notice the better off axis response of the Pioneers. But I also think you'll notice the loss of high end finesse. And if you listen anywhere near realistic levels, you'll definitely notice the sensitivity hit. External amplification gave me a very noticeable reduction in distortion at higher levels. But reference level is still way out of reach.
post #3685 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Dave1027 View Post

Where are you located? I might be interested in the BIC bookshelfs you have.

I'm in Kansas City, and shipping would be atrocious.
post #3686 of 5339
I have the BS-41 speakers. I've sang in public for many years and play many different instruments, so I do know what various instruments should sound like on a good recording. I find these speakers to have a very neutral balance. Pianos, upright bass, etc. all sound very lifelike. The Stereophile review was great, but they didn't mention what a great soundstage these speakers are capable of. On good recordings, the soundstage width far exceeds the physical location of the speakers, plus they have depth, and also soundstage height. I love these speakers, as many have said, they are not fataguing. I've had Paradigm Atoms, Bang and Olufsen speakers, etc. and I like these more. I do have a 120 watt sub, but it rarely kicks in. I don't find one frequency that stands out with these speakers, I also find none lacking. I enjoy them each day. Thank you Andrew Jones!
post #3687 of 5339
Has anyone replaced their FS-51s with FS52’s? I suspect the additional 3" in height could make a significant difference in my room, putting the tweeters higher above my wood TV stand and refective coffee table. Thoughts?

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post #3688 of 5339
Possibly. Why don't you put something about 3" thick under your 51s and find out? If so, you could build something proper or get a "speaker dude" for them.
post #3689 of 5339
Finally got a pair of the FS52s for $163 tax in. These sound amazing. They replaced a pair of BS21s and now they're going to be moved to the back. Just need to find a nice corner shelf.
post #3690 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

Has anyone replaced their FS-51s with FS52’s? I suspect the additional 3" in height could make a significant difference in my room, putting the tweeters higher above my wood TV stand and refective coffee table. Thoughts?

In the huge Audioholics thread, several mentioned that vertical dispersion is so good, that raising them did nothing at all...
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