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post #3721 of 5321
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Originally Posted by l3ftonm3 View Post

After trying the tower speakers with the 1402 marantz receiver it looks like it will unfortunately need to be replaced with something else. It just cannot put out enough power for the towers when compared to the temporary amp I have they hooked up to. It's a shame since I really liked the marantz feature wise but it seems like I will be looking to grab a denon 1612, so if anyone knows where to get a good deal on one that would be nice. smile.gif
How many watts is the 1402?
post #3722 of 5321
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Originally Posted by l3ftonm3 View Post

After trying the tower speakers with the 1402 marantz receiver it looks like it will unfortunately need to be replaced with something else. It just cannot put out enough power for the towers when compared to the temporary amp I have they hooked up to. It's a shame since I really liked the marantz feature wise but it seems like I will be looking to grab a denon 1612, so if anyone knows where to get a good deal on one that would be nice. smile.gif

The Marantz NR1402 offer approximately 50 wpc, which should be more than enough to drive a 5.1, which include a pair of Pioneer FS52 towers. If you want more than 50 wpc, you will need to buy an AVR with pre-out and get an external amp to power them. By that time you will want better and more power speakers.
post #3723 of 5321
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

The Marantz NR1402 offer approximately 50 wpc, which should be more than enough to drive a 5.1, which include a pair of Pioneer FS52 towers. If you want more than 50 wpc, you will need to buy an AVR with pre-out and get an external amp to power them. By that time you will want better and more power speakers.
Are you saying that you need an external amp to get more than 50 wpc from an avr?
post #3724 of 5321
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Originally Posted by stevman17 View Post

I added the Pioneer SP-FS52-LR tower's to a Energy Take 5 Classic system with a Bic America F12 sub, powered by a Pioneer VSX-1021K. I am using the Energy FL and FR and "high" speakers in a 7.1 setup.

If you listen to music, the Pioneer's are a must as the Energy's really can't handle most heavy music.[/quote

How is this working out for you. I'm considering using the Pioneer SP-BS22 Bookshelf speakers, center speaker and sub woofer with 4 Energy Take 5 speakers for a 7.1 system. I do listen to music more than I watch movies.
post #3725 of 5321
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Are you saying that you need an external amp to get more than 50 wpc from an avr?

What I am saying is that the FS52 do not require that much power. 50 wpc should be enough. If you want something better to drive them you will need a more powerful AVR, even then you won't have that much gain since unless you only use 2 channel. The more channels you use the less wpc you get.

You can get an AVR that is rated at 130 watts, but it can only use 130 watt when two channels are used. If you use 7.1 or 5.1 then it will probably go down to 60 wpc.

That's why I say it's better to get an AVR with pre-out and get an external amp to drive the from speakers.
post #3726 of 5321
Agreed. Just wanted some clarification. 50 wpc is good enough for most budget systems. Wattage ratings for receivers can be very misleading because it depends on so many variables. kHz, Ohm ratings, channels driven, distortion values, etc. And of course the sensitivity of the speakers is something to consider also.
That's why I asked how many watts the 1402 was. I thought maybe he had some old receiver that was like 50 watts total or something. Maybe he has enough wattage but it is a crappy amp.
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/25/13 at 1:52pm
post #3727 of 5321
Well when they were hooked up to an old school pioneer sx-303 they output quite a bit more compared to the marantz. Here are the specs for the pioneer.

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/7372/sx303rds.jpg
post #3728 of 5321
That's 50Wx2. Maybe there's something wrong with the Marantz or it could just be not nearly as efficient. Hard telling. Just about any new receiver will have no problem pushing the 52s.
post #3729 of 5321
possibly the slimline Marantz has a weaker power supply. Not a lot of reserve power.
post #3730 of 5321
Has anyone listened to both the SP-C21 and the SP-C22's? I considered looking through the posts in this thread, but that's too daunting of a task. Is there a consensus on which is generally preferred sound-wise?

Thanks guys.
post #3731 of 5321
I have a fairly small townhouse family room (11x12x9) and I was looking at getting the 5 speaker set, the new52/22 models. I already have a PSW10 sub. The receiver is a little old at 18 years, but one of the speakers, also the same age, has been getting crackly lately so I figured it was time for an upgrade. Would these speakers be overkill for this room? I have a bunch of Amazon gift cards so they'd be free for me.
post #3732 of 5321
I don't think they would be too much.
I have the first gen. of these setup in a 7.1 configuration, Fantastic !

After all you are getting them at the right price !
post #3733 of 5321
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Originally Posted by COMPUTIAC View Post

I don't think they would be too much.
I have the first gen. of these setup in a 7.1 configuration, Fantastic !

After all you are getting them at the right price !

Thanks! What about the receiver? Mine doesn't have HDMI and some of the buttons on the face don't work anymore. I'd like to upgrade that too. I do have a nice HTPC and a 42" 1080p LCD. I'm worried about the THD since these are 6 ohm speakers.
post #3734 of 5321
I have the Pioneer VSX-1021-K which is more than capable of handling everything I have.
post #3735 of 5321
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Originally Posted by superorb View Post

Thanks! What about the receiver? Mine doesn't have HDMI and some of the buttons on the face don't work anymore. I'd like to upgrade that too. I do have a nice HTPC and a 42" 1080p LCD. I'm worried about the THD since these are 6 ohm speakers.

The Harman Kardon 1700 has been popping up for $199 at Best Buy, Amazon, and Frys over the last couple of weeks. When you are ready to buy, you might search slickdeals to see if it's on special anywhere (only for Frys pickup at the moment for that price).

Otherwise, the Pioneer VSX-1022K is $229 at Newegg (promo code EMCYTZT2848). Pretty good deal.
post #3736 of 5321
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Originally Posted by COMPUTIAC View Post

I have the Pioneer VSX-1021-K which is more than capable of handling everything I have.

How is it with THD with these 6ohm speakers? Any problems with HDMI switching or it running hot? I know some Onkyos have that problem.
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

The Harman Kardon 1700 has been popping up for $199 at Best Buy, Amazon, and Frys over the last couple of weeks. When you are ready to buy, you might search slickdeals to see if it's on special anywhere (only for Frys pickup at the moment for that price).

Otherwise, the Pioneer VSX-1022K is $229 at Newegg (promo code EMCYTZT2848). Pretty good deal.

I've heard people have issues with that HK1700 receiver. I have terrible luck and if it's a known problem it will always affect my item. Also, I have a bunch of Amazon gift cards so that's where I'd like to place my order.
post #3737 of 5321
For the HDMI I have not had any problems, but then again I did not go along with the idea that cheaper is better. Got mine from Monoprice, medium duty cables, they are great. I wll give you the item # if you want.
Now for the heat with the 1021 ; before I bought ti I knew it had to be kept cool just as many other AVR's have to. It is well ventilated on an open shelf with nothing on top or close to it.
I think Amazon also has the 1022k available thru them but, don't know about price.

What do you mean by THD ?
post #3738 of 5321
Total Harmonic Distortion
post #3739 of 5321
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Total Harmonic Distortion

That is what I was hoping he meant. To me everything is 1oo% once you have it dialed in correctly by running the MCACC on screen setup, which makes it sound superb. I notice no difference in them being 6ohm's.
post #3740 of 5321
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Originally Posted by COMPUTIAC View Post


What do you mean by THD ?

I get all my cables form Monoprice, love those guys.

THD = Total Harmonic Distortion. Usually it's higher at 6ohms and I didn't know if it was a problem or not.
post #3741 of 5321
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Originally Posted by superorb View Post

I get all my cables form Monoprice, love those guys.

THD = Total Harmonic Distortion. Usually it's higher at 6ohms and I didn't know if it was a problem or not.

The only problem I have with Monoprice is the shipping; I learned to order at least one extra cable or small part when placing my order, otherwise it cost more to buy and ship the one item after you get the order and need it.
post #3742 of 5321
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Originally Posted by COMPUTIAC View Post

The only problem I have with Monoprice is the shipping; I learned to order at least one extra cable or small part when placing my order, otherwise it cost more to buy and ship the one item after you get the order and need it.

Yeah I only order from them when I have a bunch of stuff I need, otherwise it's not worth the shipping. I'm in CO and they ship from CA so at least I get my stuff quickly.
post #3743 of 5321
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Originally Posted by superorb View Post

I get all my cables form Monoprice, love those guys.

THD = Total Harmonic Distortion. Usually it's higher at 6ohms and I didn't know if it was a problem or not.
Any decent avr will drive these speakers just fine.
post #3744 of 5321
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Originally Posted by superorb View Post

Yeah I only order from them when I have a bunch of stuff I need, otherwise it's not worth the shipping. I'm in CO and they ship from CA so at least I get my stuff quickly.

Your lucky to be so close, I'm in Ct. it takes about 7 to 10 sometimes more days to get here.

The thing is at least for me, there isn't anyplace around here to get the goods they have.

Once I had a cable service guy here to upgrade a box and he tells me he was ashamed to let me see the HDMI cables the company provides them for use in the field.
post #3745 of 5321
Hey guys,

Purchased the two towers, two bookshelves, and center for my 5.1 system today. Bb price matched amazon pricing.

I will be getting a denon 2113ci soon...since I figure it will be something I can grow into.

I have read sooooo much about subs. For those that use this pioneer speaker system, which sub do you prefer?

I was considering BIC America V1220. ????
post #3746 of 5321
Klipsch RW-12d. Goes on sale at Newegg for $299 pretty often. At that price, you cant beat it. The 1220 is a bit sloppy but is also a good deal. If you can afford the rw though, its worth the extra money. What size is your room?
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/27/13 at 3:52am
post #3747 of 5321
What's the point of buying from BB? Tax is ~$25 from BB. I'm a cheapskate, so any way I can save some cash I try to do so.
post #3748 of 5321
I bought from BB just because I already have an account and received 18 month interest free financing. I could have paid cash but when free money is offered for over a year I usually jump on it.
post #3749 of 5321
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Originally Posted by superorb View Post

What's the point of buying from BB? Tax is ~$25 from BB. I'm a cheapskate, so any way I can save some cash I try to do so.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Klipsch RW-12d. Goes on sale at Newegg for $299 pretty often. At that price, you cant beat it. The 1220 is a bit sloppy but is also a good deal. If you can afford the rw though, its worth the extra money. What size is your room?

I checked out the RW12D post and it seemed as though people are stating that newegg is re-boxing refurbs and listing the sub as new. I'm not down with making a purchase from a business that can use even questionable tactics to make a sale. I'm going to pass on them.
post #3750 of 5321
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Klipsch RW-12d. Goes on sale at Newegg for $299 pretty often. At that price, you cant beat it. The 1220 is a bit sloppy but is also a good deal. If you can afford the rw though, its worth the extra money. What size is your room?

I am moving in march to a town home. Not exactly sure of the size. The living room where the sound system will be opens up into the dining room. The entire room is fairly large. The portion for home theater is probably 15X20.
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