Pioneer's Speaker Genius Hits Low Price Point - Page 125

How many watts is the 1402?

The Marantz NR1402 offer approximately 50 wpc, which should be more than enough to drive a 5.1, which include a pair of Pioneer FS52 towers. If you want more than 50 wpc, you will need to buy an AVR with pre-out and get an external amp to power them. By that time you will want better and more power speakers.

Are you saying that you need an external amp to get more than 50 wpc from an avr?

What I am saying is that the FS52 do not require that much power. 50 wpc should be enough. If you want something better to drive them you will need a more powerful AVR, even then you won't have that much gain since unless you only use 2 channel. The more channels you use the less wpc you get.

You can get an AVR that is rated at 130 watts, but it can only use 130 watt when two channels are used. If you use 7.1 or 5.1 then it will probably go down to 60 wpc.

That's why I say it's better to get an AVR with pre-out and get an external amp to drive the from speakers.

Agreed. Just wanted some clarification. 50 wpc is good enough for most budget systems. Wattage ratings for receivers can be very misleading because it depends on so many variables. kHz, Ohm ratings, channels driven, distortion values, etc. And of course the sensitivity of the speakers is something to consider also.
That's why I asked how many watts the 1402 was. I thought maybe he had some old receiver that was like 50 watts total or something. Maybe he has enough wattage but it is a crappy amp.
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/25/13 at 1:52pm

Well when they were hooked up to an old school pioneer sx-303 they output quite a bit more compared to the marantz. Here are the specs for the pioneer.

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/7372/sx303rds.jpg

That's 50Wx2. Maybe there's something wrong with the Marantz or it could just be not nearly as efficient. Hard telling. Just about any new receiver will have no problem pushing the 52s.

possibly the slimline Marantz has a weaker power supply. Not a lot of reserve power.

Has anyone listened to both the SP-C21 and the SP-C22's? I considered looking through the posts in this thread, but that's too daunting of a task. Is there a consensus on which is generally preferred sound-wise?

Thanks guys.

I have a fairly small townhouse family room (11x12x9) and I was looking at getting the 5 speaker set, the new52/22 models. I already have a PSW10 sub. The receiver is a little old at 18 years, but one of the speakers, also the same age, has been getting crackly lately so I figured it was time for an upgrade. Would these speakers be overkill for this room? I have a bunch of Amazon gift cards so they'd be free for me.

I don't think they would be too much.
I have the first gen. of these setup in a 7.1 configuration, Fantastic !

After all you are getting them at the right price !

Thanks! What about the receiver? Mine doesn't have HDMI and some of the buttons on the face don't work anymore. I'd like to upgrade that too. I do have a nice HTPC and a 42" 1080p LCD. I'm worried about the THD since these are 6 ohm speakers.

I have the Pioneer VSX-1021-K which is more than capable of handling everything I have.

The Harman Kardon 1700 has been popping up for $199 at Best Buy, Amazon, and Frys over the last couple of weeks. When you are ready to buy, you might search slickdeals to see if it's on special anywhere (only for Frys pickup at the moment for that price).

Otherwise, the Pioneer VSX-1022K is $229 at Newegg (promo code EMCYTZT2848). Pretty good deal.

How is it with THD with these 6ohm speakers? Any problems with HDMI switching or it running hot? I know some Onkyos have that problem.

I've heard people have issues with that HK1700 receiver. I have terrible luck and if it's a known problem it will always affect my item. Also, I have a bunch of Amazon gift cards so that's where I'd like to place my order.

For the HDMI I have not had any problems, but then again I did not go along with the idea that cheaper is better. Got mine from Monoprice, medium duty cables, they are great. I wll give you the item # if you want.
Now for the heat with the 1021 ; before I bought ti I knew it had to be kept cool just as many other AVR's have to. It is well ventilated on an open shelf with nothing on top or close to it.
I think Amazon also has the 1022k available thru them but, don't know about price.

What do you mean by THD ?

Total Harmonic Distortion

That is what I was hoping he meant. To me everything is 1oo% once you have it dialed in correctly by running the MCACC on screen setup, which makes it sound superb. I notice no difference in them being 6ohm's.

I get all my cables form Monoprice, love those guys.

THD = Total Harmonic Distortion. Usually it's higher at 6ohms and I didn't know if it was a problem or not.

The only problem I have with Monoprice is the shipping; I learned to order at least one extra cable or small part when placing my order, otherwise it cost more to buy and ship the one item after you get the order and need it.

Yeah I only order from them when I have a bunch of stuff I need, otherwise it's not worth the shipping. I'm in CO and they ship from CA so at least I get my stuff quickly.

Any decent avr will drive these speakers just fine.

Your lucky to be so close, I'm in Ct. it takes about 7 to 10 sometimes more days to get here.

The thing is at least for me, there isn't anyplace around here to get the goods they have.

Once I had a cable service guy here to upgrade a box and he tells me he was ashamed to let me see the HDMI cables the company provides them for use in the field.

Hey guys,

Purchased the two towers, two bookshelves, and center for my 5.1 system today. Bb price matched amazon pricing.

I will be getting a denon 2113ci soon...since I figure it will be something I can grow into.

I have read sooooo much about subs. For those that use this pioneer speaker system, which sub do you prefer?

I was considering BIC America V1220. ????

Klipsch RW-12d. Goes on sale at Newegg for $299 pretty often. At that price, you cant beat it. The 1220 is a bit sloppy but is also a good deal. If you can afford the rw though, its worth the extra money. What size is your room?
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/27/13 at 3:52am

What's the point of buying from BB? Tax is ~$25 from BB. I'm a cheapskate, so any way I can save some cash I try to do so.

I bought from BB just because I already have an account and received 18 month interest free financing. I could have paid cash but when free money is offered for over a year I usually jump on it.

I checked out the RW12D post and it seemed as though people are stating that newegg is re-boxing refurbs and listing the sub as new. I'm not down with making a purchase from a business that can use even questionable tactics to make a sale. I'm going to pass on them.

I am moving in march to a town home. Not exactly sure of the size. The living room where the sound system will be opens up into the dining room. The entire room is fairly large. The portion for home theater is probably 15X20.