Pioneer's Speaker Genius Hits Low Price Point - Page 126

Your loss. You are reading 4 or 5 of the most recent posts of a very long thread by a couple of people who don't know what they are talking about speculating on something they don't understand. You should be more careful about your decisions.

You would be better served by posting that here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1396482/budget-subwoofers-discussions-opinions-and-questions-thread/900#post_22884009

Be sure to include your budget also.

Agreed. I've been using Newegg for over a decade now, and I've never heard of them doing that. In any large set of product reviews, you have to disregard the 10% (or more) of morons that don't know what they are talking about.

Now, there are some people that have had to reglue the port tube on the RW-12d, but that's the problem that comes with shipping big, heavy subs. UPS is often horrible at handling them correctly. That's an easy fix, though. Not something to be worried about.

I would look at the Cadence CSX12 subwoofer
http://www.cadencesound.com/products/CSX12-Mark-II.html

Well thanks for the positive feedback. If it drops back down to 299 I will jump on it. I have never purchased from them before so yeah...I just read the feedback on the last page.

What do you guys think of the Klipsch Quintet set for $300 shipped compared to these Pioneers?

Know that you need a really good sub to go with them. They need to be crossed over around 120-150hz. No midbass without a sub.

Negative

I had the quintet sl for a while. In fact, I'm still using 2 of the larger speakers for my front heights. They are a step up from what you are looking at. They really sound great but obviously you would need a sub. But you would also need one with the 52s. I haven't heard the Pioneers but I would imagine they sound better. The Klipsch just don't have the range that the Pioneers do. Of course, a 5.0 of the Pioneers also cost more. But worth it imo.

http://www.klipsch.com/quintet-sl-home-theater-system

provide proof rather than "people are stating." I bought an RW12D from newegg, and it was brand new.

I use the Emotiva Ultra 10" sub, which I'm very happy with (and purchased based on recommendations here at AVS) but I'm in no position to recommend one sub over another.

I wish he'd said what the "low end receiver" was that he used originally. I'm using a Pioneer 521-K, their base $250 receiver, but you have to spend $600 before the power output rating increases.

Wondering what people think about pairing some SP-BS21's w/the C22 as a center - or using BS21's as surrounds w/a BS22/C22 front setup.

I can grab a set (or 2) of the BS21's for $34...which is why I'm wondering...


Also - I've only seen one review of the subwoofer from this line...is it just weak or not worth it so never covered, or is it equivalent (performance wise) to the speakers themselves?
Edited by Necromancyr - 1/28/13 at 8:17am

Yep, the subwoofer is the one component not thought highly of, so it's pretty much ignored.

The SW-8 will sound very good at low volumes for the price, but it doesn't have much output. It's physics. Small 8" driver in a small cabinet with a small amp just can't create a lot of output no matter the how good the SQ it can produce. Could easily get distressed at higher volumes in a medium size room (and perhaps even a smaller room). And you might be driving it very hard most of the time if using it for HT, so might not have much lifespan.

If you want a home theater experience in your living room, best to budget more and get something better. For a bedroom or computer desktop setup for a little music or movies (but not at earth shattering volumes), the SW-8 could work very well.

That was my impression. I already have a 8" sub that came w/my HTIB setup that I actually find works pretty well. Guess I'll hold off on sub upgrades until I can get something a bit larger.

No thoughts on the mixing of 21's w/22s in the front?

They won't match/blend acoustically so it's not recommended. You'd either want to do all 1st gen or all 2nd gen for timber matching.

Phase (2) fronts and center, with phase (1) as surrounds - will be fine.

Since the THD seems to be higher on lower end receivers at 6ohms, will it actually be noticeable with these speakers?

That 100% depends on your listening level.

I don't listen to anything super loud. Just normal levels and maybe a tad louder for movies, but we're in a townhouse so we can''t be too loud.

I agree. Specially if your receiver has Audyssey (and you use it!).

Is there a section at AVS for asking advice on a receiver for my needs now that I've ordered the 5 Pioneer speakers?

Yes, you can look at the listings here:

http://www.avsforum.com/f/90/receivers-amps-and-processors

Looks like I ordered yesterday just in time as the price has gone up on Amazon for these.

I just barely missed that sale price. Does anyone know how frequently they end up in that price range? ($100 towers, $70 center)

They just came out so we don't have much historical data on pricing. But, you can use Ookong.com or CamelCamelCamel.com to track prices and email you when the price drops so you can jump on it.

Thanks!

i bought a pair of the 22's to use as the fronts in my small setup in a spare bedroom.I really like them coming from a Yamaha set that was $100 for the whole 5.1 package. I am keeping the Yamahas for the rears since they are already installed in the upper rear corners of the room. They are 6 ohms like the 22's and sound fine.

My question concerns the c22 center which I also picked up but have not installed yet.I played around going back and forth with a phantom center and using the Yamaha center that is currently installed. As crappy as the Yamaha is I still preferred a center, even though the phantom was pretty darn good. I can imagine how good the c22 will sound. On to my question.

Since the c22 was the same price as a pair of the b22's, I was wondering if I could buy a second set of b22's and lay one on its side for the center, basically giving me a spare 22 for free. I have read many threads here saying a bookshelf center should be vertical for the best sound but that is not possible, and that MTM centers are a compromise. I even found this quote in a thread here:

Depending upon the speaker and it's exact design, some bookshelf speakers CAN be successfully oriented horizontally for use as center speakers, too, and still outperform their comparable MTM center speaker counterpart

I am the only one to watch movies here. 90% of the time I sit dead center 5 ft away and the other 10% I sit 8 ft away 45 degrees to the right. I think the c22 would be aesthetically more pleasing but price and sound quality trumps that.

I was trying to understand beaming and lobing that i was reading at the blu-ray forums. Since I prefer a more treble tone than a bass tone (though I tried the Klipsch kb-22's this week also and found them too harsh even though I assumed I would like them better) I think having only one mid might be better for my taste. What do you guys think? Thanks

Trenz, I find klipsch harsh as well so you are not alone on that.

The issue with MTM centers is that they are horizontal which gives the 4" mids the beaming and comb filtering characteristics of a woofer that is the total width of the 2 speakers. If you could put a b22 vertically it would be best in that it would match your L/Rs and would be better in terms of comb filtering and lobeing than the horizontal c22. If you could put the c22 vertically it would be better than the b22 vertically due to the extra clean power handling from the critical center channel.

A b22 on it's side is still not a bad solution. I wouldn't recommend it if you were using the towers for your mains as it would be out gunned so to speak. But it will match fine with the book shelf mains and have fewer dispersion issues than the c22. However, if you could get it vertical that would be better.

Having said all that, the c22 doesn't sound bad on it's side. I have mine vertical and the difference is virtually imperceptible.